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**Ironarms2** · 03-18-2006, 08:12 PM

Need a little advice on this upcoming cycle: This is what I got on hand and this is how I plan on using it. Please feel free to make any remarks Thanks Guys

Ara Test 1-6 750mg/wk (kick start since this is prop)
Test E 7-16 500 mg/wk
Win 7-16 50mg/eod
EQ 7-16 400mg/wk

Thanks for your info!

***SPIKE*** · 03-18-2006, 08:18 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt Ara a blend of Test E and P? 200mgs E and 50mgs P???? I dont remember off hand so instead of looking it up I'll ask you.

If so then why not just run the E for 6 weeks and kickstart with prop for the first month or so? If its only 50mgs of Prop ler mL then you're only getting in 150mgs EW which isnt much for a kickstart.

I'll wait until you get back to me with that info before commenting any further. Also, dont forget stats, goals and cycling experience when you repost. Then we'll get you on track.

**Ironarms2** · 03-18-2006, 08:22 PM

Stats: 22. 6'1 215........ Second serious cycle have done things in the past with little knowledge....... Ara is 150 Test E and 100 prop your correct

**Ironarms2** · 03-18-2006, 08:23 PM

goals lean and defined

***SPIKE*** · 03-18-2006, 08:30 PM

Keeping your goals in mind here is what I would suggest, then I'll list my reasons at the end,

Ara Test 1-4 750mg/wk
Test E 4-12 500 mg/wk
EQ 1-11 400mg/wk
Win 10-14 50mg/ed

1. Seeing that you're 22 and your 2nd serious cycle I cut it down. If you train and eat properly you can get just as much out of this then a 16 weeker. Plus after PCT you're looking at 5 months off in order to give yourself the proper amount of time off. Bloodwork would ultimately decided that, but time on+pct will equal Time off give or take.

2. 4 weeks of Aratest will be enough to take advantage of the prop ester. Then by resuming with 500mgs of E you wont be throwing levels off by much, really only 50mgs Difference which is no problem.

3. Need to run the EQ longer so start at week 1 with the aratest.

4. Winny needs to be taken ED not EOD.

5. PCT will start the day after your last winny Inject/tab

6. Seems like you already have the Aratest, if you didnt I would have just taken E throughout with a 4 week prop kickstart.

**Ironarms2** · 03-18-2006, 08:34 PM

you seem very knowledge and helpful can you run me through a proper PCT for this thanks soo much

***SPIKE*** · 03-18-2006, 08:50 PM

Have you ever had problems recovering in the past?

What PCT(s) have you used, in the past if none then state it. No discriminating on this board so if you never ran a PCT before feel free to say so.

**IBdmfkr** · 03-18-2006, 11:48 PM

Beat me to it Jay, exactly what I was thinking except I'd drop the aratest and replace it with Prop and TestE. 50mg EOD of prop won't do much if anything for a kick IMO.

**Ironarms2** · 03-21-2006, 11:41 AM

In the past I used Clomid Nolva from the AR site

***SPIKE*** · 03-21-2006, 11:44 AM

First off what do you think about the cycle? Then we'll get you cranking on a PCT...........Want to make sure I know exactly what you are running before we proceed.

**Ironarms2** · 03-21-2006, 12:07 PM

I agree with your cycle but I have more on hand so I wanted to run this cycle at the length
win-6weeks/ED 50mg(wk12-18)
Eq 10weeks/ 400 wk (weeks 1-10)
Test E 10weeks/ 500 wk (week 8-18)
Ara 7weeks 750/wk (weeks 1-7)
If you feel this is to much please let me know.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 03-21-2006, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Ironarms2

I agree with your cycle but I have more on hand so I wanted to run this cycle at the length
win-6weeks/ED 50mg(wk12-18)
Eq 10weeks/ 400 wk (weeks 1-10)
Test E 10weeks/ 500 wk (week 8-18)
Ara 7weeks 750/wk (weeks 1-7)
If you feel this is to much please let me know.

Don't like it. If it were me, i'd do something like this. Cycle is to long for a 2nd cycle. Just because you have a lot of gear on hand, doesn't mean you should run a LONG cycle. Always keep extra stuff for you next cycle. Running EQ for 10 weeks is a waste if you ask me.

Weeks 1-4 - Test Prop 75mg ED
Weeks 1-14 Test E 500mg (Should be run on day 1)
Weeks 1-13 EQ - 400mg ED
Nolva - 10mg ED
(if you want to throw in some Winny, do it for 6 weeks 50-75mg ED)

**Logan13** · 03-21-2006, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Ironarms2

Need a little advice on this upcoming cycle: This is what I got on hand and this is how I plan on using it. Please feel free to make any remarks Thanks Guys

Ara Test 1-6 750mg/wk (kick start since this is prop)
Test E 7-16 500 mg/wk
Win 7-16 50mg/eod
EQ 7-16 400mg/wk

Thanks for your info!

Take the EQ from the beginning for no less than 12 weeks, preferably 14 weeks. IMO, taking winny for that long is just not good, reduce this to 6-8 weeks. Reduce your ARA kickstart to 4 weeks (1-4) using 500mg/week, and begin Test E from week 1 as well. Most importantly, make sure pct and anciliaries are in place as well.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 03-21-2006, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Logan13

Take the EQ from the beginning for no less than 12 weeks, preferably 14 weeks. IMO, taking winny for that long is just not good, reduce this to 6-8 weeks. Reduce your ARA kickstart to 4 weeks (1-4) using 500mg/week, and begin Test E from week 1 as well. Most importantly, make sure pct and anciliaries are in place as well.

BINGO!! Good solid advise

**Booz** · 03-21-2006, 12:35 PM

the eq imo should be ran at no less than 12 weeks as it is a notoriouse slow starte...you will not see much in the way of gains off this compound till around the 8 week mark..
i also like BLT's cycle.........
do some research in the pct forum...then come back and post what you have learnt...then we will fine tune and critique if needs be..............