please critique

[Ironarms]

week 1-2 prop eod
week 1-12 1,000 mg enethate
week 1-12 400 mg eq
week 4-12 winni eod
week 6-12 tren eod
week12-14 prop eod
2 week on 2 week off from day 1 clen

pct

[SPIKE]

I thought this was you, was just about to comment on that but had to make sure before opening my mouth.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=231063


As far as the cycle I'll help you out but you have to help yourself and me a bit. List your stats, cycling experience and goals. Then we can get to work..........

[Ironarms]

age 24
5 foot 10
210 lbs
12 % bf

looking to put on a lot more lean size abd get shredded
i already bought these products so this is what i have to work with

[Ironarms]

done 4-5 cycles

[SPIKE]

i already bought these products so this is what i have to work with

That was your first mistake. How many cycles have you ran in the past and what kind of Tren is this?

[SPIKE]

How many cycles have you ran in the past

done 4-5 cycles

You beat me to it.

[Ironarms]

i just took a look at that link and there seems to be another person who has ironarms as their name bc that conversation was not with me

[Ironarms]

the tren i have is british dragon 200 mg

[G-1000]

Not to bad but i would chang it a little to get better gains. this is what i would do.

week 1-4 prop 125mg day
week 1-12 1,000 mg enethate
week 1-12 600 mg eq
week 6-12 winni 50-100 ed
week 1-12 tren -e 400-500 eod
week12-14 prop 125mged
2 week on 2 week off from day 1 clen

You will need b-6 to run with the cycle and also the anti-e.
This will give you much better gains and you will keep much more.
tren kills cardio so the eq is a great to run with it. It will increas RBC and help with the cardio. The pumps you get from tren and eq are out of control.
The prop for the fist 4 weeks will give the test-e time to kick in.

[G-1000]

the tren i have is british dragon 200 mg

200mg ???????? Tren ???????

[SPIKE]

week 1-3 prop eod
week 1-8 50mgs Tren A ED
week 1-12 1g Test E
week 1-11 600 mg eq
week 9-14 50mgs Winny ED

***I know I made a lot of chages and have reasons for all of them. Let me know if I missed any that I didnt comment on.

1. 600mgs of EQ, I have ran 400 and 600 and saw much more of a difference at 600. With you wanting to run a gram a week of test I'm sure the 600 of EQ will benefit you more.

2. Moved the Tren to the beginning b/c at the end it will be very difficult to recover from it plus you already have the winny at the end to harden up with.

3. Winny needs to be shot ED not EOD


4. More doesnt equal better, no need for the Prop at the end if using the Winny.

5. the Clen is a story of its own. Search a bit more on that and I know with the correct info you'll change that 2 weeks on 2 weeks off protocol.

[Ironarms]

i heard tren should be done for no more than 6 weeks bc of how harsh it is on the liver....

what do u mean that tren kills cardio?

[SPIKE]

200mg ???????? Tren ???????

Must be the enanthate version. They make a 200mg/mL

[Ironarms]

reason why i wanted to do prop at the end was bc of detection times so i could start my pct on time with the half life of the prop

i will do some more research on the clen , but just out of couriousuty, what did u have in mind?

what advantages will i have with do tren at the beginning of the cycle instaed of at the end? harsh to recover?

[G-1000]

i heard tren should be done for no more than 6 weeks bc of how harsh it is on the liver....

what do u mean that tren kills cardio?

Tren is not hard on the live at all. tren e sould be run min of 10 week if you ask me. You will find a lose of breath when running tren. This makes it hard for cardio.

[G-1000]

Must be the enanthate version. They make a 200mg/mL

I think you are right. That is why he should go longer then 8 weeks.

[G-1000]

I do like the winny 9-14 better. i did not think when i put it in the cycle



sorry

[Ironarms]

i appreciate all the advice and am trying to put this all together can? can u mods help me out....

i wish i had just straight tern and not tren enethaTE...I AM GOING TO TRY AND GET MY HANDS ON STRAIGHT TREN

[SPIKE]

reason why i wanted to do prop at the end was bc of detection times so i could start my pct on time with the half life of the prop

i will do some more research on the clen, but just out of couriousuty, what did u have in mind?

what advantages will i have with do tren at the beginning of the cycle instaed of at the end? harsh to recover?

1. That's the reason for finishing with the Winny. PCT will start the day after last injection/oral.

2. My reasoning will take forever to explain and I actually have to run in a bit. Do some searches of Clen . I've commented on quite a few along with others that had some very good info.

3. Tren is a very difficult compound to recover from. By running it to the end you will only be making it more difficult for you. The harder your HPTA is supressed the harder it will be to recvoer. Hence you PCT being crucial here.

[SPIKE]

i appreciate all the advice and am trying to put this all together can? can u mods help me out....

i wish i had just straight tern and not tren enethaTE...I AM GOING TO TRY AND GET MY HANDS ON STRAIGHT TREN

Have you ever ran it before? This corralates to my first statement made about your first mistake being that you already have the gear. I prefer the acetate form as well.

[Ironarms]

So What You Are Saying Is To Run Tren In The Beginning Bc It Will Be Easier For Me To Recover At The End....but If I Ran It At The End Of My Cycle It Would Be Harder For Me To Bring My Nat Test Up...is That Right?

[G-1000]

Yes......

[SPIKE]

So What You Are Saying Is To Run Tren In The Beginning Bc It Will Be Easier For Me To Recover At The End....but If I Ran It At The End Of My Cycle It Would Be Harder For Me To Bring My Nat Test Up...is That Right?

Try to keep in mind what happends when you're shut down. The harder/longer you are the more your testicles will atrophy and the less the HPTA will be able to accomplish once its back in full force. Plus it will take longer to get it back to full force. Metabolites will linger for quite some time and even stick around throughout PCT keeping your lil man downstairs with nothing to do. Do yourself a favor and start it in the beginning.

PCT PCT PCT will be key here for you........

[Ironarms]

WEEK 1-4 PROP EOD
WEEK 1-12 ENETHATE 1G A WEEK
WEEK 1-6 TREN EOD ( STARIGHT TREN)
week 1-11 600 mg eq
week 9-14 winny eod

[SPIKE]

WEEK 1-4 PROP EOD
WEEK 1-12 ENETHATE 1G A WEEK
WEEK 1-6 TREN EOD ( STARIGHT TREN)
week 1-11 600 mg eq
week 9-14 winny eod

This is almost identical to the one I wrote up. Decide on whether you're going to run Tren A or E. The E you can shoot twice a week but I prefer Tren-A ED. You dont seem to like ED injections so either man up and inject the A ED or go with the E and inject it 2-3X a week. I'd still run it longer then 6 weeks though, especially the Tren-E, Gsxxr felt the same way.

After all that you seem good to go.

[Ironarms]

ok so here we go ?

week 1-3 prop ed
week 1-12 1g enethate
week 1-8 tren eod
week 1-11 eq at 600 mg
week 9-14 winni ed
pct

[SPIKE]

ok so here we go ?

week 1-3 prop ed
week 1-12 1g enethate
week 1-8 tren eod
week 1-11 eq at 600 mg
week 9-14 winni ed
pct

Looks good to me. Fhew I"m tired after all of that, I'm gonna go have a meal.

[Ironarms]

thanks i greatly appreciate all of your help

[SPIKE]

thanks i greatly appreciate all of your help

Happy Growing buddy!!!!!!