risk of buying from international source

[Tren Bull]

what up bros, ive been considering purchasing some gear from an international source, and i was wondering if anyone had any input about how risky this is

[littlemantc]

i ordered (sample)some got it in 15 days no problem..i reodered should get it in 3-5 days from now...

[Tren Bull]

i ordered (sample)some got it in 15 days no problem..i reodered should get it in 3-5 days from now...

do you live in the us?

[littlemantc]

do you live in the us?

yes..i do

[Tren Bull]

cool. im really eager to get myself some product, but feelin a little paranoid. im gonna go through with it anyway though. i really want some more gear

[IBdmfkr]

All depends on your source and his packaging. Order small and see how it goes first, be prepared to burn an addy or two. Friends houses work great lol

[gehirin]

Anyone have problems with customs seizing the gear?

[littlemantc]

cool. im really eager to get myself some product, but feelin a little paranoid. im gonna go through with it anyway though. i really want some more gear

even if gets caught by customs dont worrie...be careful about when u get it at your mailing address...the lastest thing is that a device that customs have been putting on packages is that once you open it..your telling them that its yours...i open it not from the ends..but in the middle...

[Tren Bull]

All depends on your source and his packaging. Order small and see how it goes first, be prepared to burn an addy or two. Friends houses work great lol

haha yea im gonna order it to my boys house. he doesn't mind though cause im gonna pay him money for his troubles

[Tren Bull]

even if gets caught by customs dont worrie...be careful about when u get it at your mailing address...the lastest thing is that a device that customs have been putting on packages is that once you open it..your telling them that its yours...i open it not from the ends..but in the middle...

so its an electronic device they install on the pack that alerts them when you open it??? thats sneaky. maybe i should microwave my pack for a minute before i open it

[middistane]

I had my first international order "dispatched" march 4, and i have not received it yet. So its been 14 days. At what point should I assume that im not going to get my gear?

[littlemantc]

If investigators want to bust you for a juice package, their goal will be to get you to take possession of the package. There are two reasons: 1) once you accept a package of contraband, you can be arrested for possessing it; and 2) the feds will have generally obtained a warrant to search your house that cannot be executed until you accept the package.

That’s where your signature comes in. Signing for the package removes any argument that you didn’t accept it. Especially when it’s supported by the undercover agent’s testimony about the conversation that took place. “Are you Johnny Johnson?” You said, “Yes.” “Will you accept this package?” You said, “Of course!” and looked really excited when you saw the return address from China.

Could accepting possession be proven in other ways? Absolutely. The issue is determined by looking at everything you did and said. In the conversation we just described, you said you were the person who intended to receive the package, and you explicitly stated that you would accept it. The absence of a signature won’t magically protect you!

What if you refuse to sign, but try to accept the package verbally? A real courier wouldn’t give it to you if a signature was required, but let’s say this undercover agent courier would. Have you avoided an arrest and search? Of course not, because you’ve accepted the package! What’s more, your cagey behavior will be used against you to prove your knowledge of the illegal contents of the package – why else would you refuse to sign?

I’ve seen a number of cases where the target gets a funky feeling about the delivery guy and rejects the package. The undercover courier will then do everything possible to get the package into the target’s hands, with or without a signature. It’s the only way to execute the raid. In one desperate case, the courier blew his cover and flashed a badge. He summoned his partner, and the two asked to step inside to talk about the package. The target told them he had no idea what was in the package and that they most certainly could not come into his house. The agents said the package contained suspected drugs, and asked if they could open it. “Do what you want, it’s not my package.” They opened it, and inside were 500 Anabol tablets. “My mistake,” one agent said. “These are okay. You can import a personal use supply. Here, you can take them.” Nice try. The target told the agent to stick the tabs where the sun don’t shine and avoided an arrest and raid by the eight other agents skulking in wait just off the property.

Given the headaches presented by savvy suspects, law enforcers are taking a new approach: wiring the package to signal when it’s opened. When someone opens a package, that’s good evidence that he’s the one who knowingly intended to possess it, right? It might even be stronger evidence than signing for it. The application for the search warrant will request authorization to execute the raid once the signal goes off. Several jurisdictions have begun using electronic signaling devices, typically AT-4’s, to confirm that a target has opened his package. No part of the device is visible unless the package is opened. It makes no audible sound but transmits an alert signal to a remote receiver manned by the agents. These devices are perfect in cases where a signature request might spook the target. An AT-4 can make the difference between a botched operation and a valid arrest and raid. Be aware that it’s likely the wave of the future.

[middistane]

My source said i would not have to sign....does that make it a little safer? Also littlemantc, do you know if growth hormone and EPO are scheduled drugs. I hear EPO is a nonscheduled drug.

[Tren Bull]

If investigators want to bust you for a juice package, their goal will be to get you to take possession of the package. There are two reasons: 1) once you accept a package of contraband, you can be arrested for possessing it; and 2) the feds will have generally obtained a warrant to search your house that cannot be executed until you accept the package.

That’s where your signature comes in. Signing for the package removes any argument that you didn’t accept it. Especially when it’s supported by the undercover agent’s testimony about the conversation that took place. “Are you Johnny Johnson?” You said, “Yes.” “Will you accept this package?” You said, “Of course!” and looked really excited when you saw the return address from China.

Could accepting possession be proven in other ways? Absolutely. The issue is determined by looking at everything you did and said. In the conversation we just described, you said you were the person who intended to receive the package, and you explicitly stated that you would accept it. The absence of a signature won’t magically protect you!

What if you refuse to sign, but try to accept the package verbally? A real courier wouldn’t give it to you if a signature was required, but let’s say this undercover agent courier would. Have you avoided an arrest and search? Of course not, because you’ve accepted the package! What’s more, your cagey behavior will be used against you to prove your knowledge of the illegal contents of the package – why else would you refuse to sign?

I’ve seen a number of cases where the target gets a funky feeling about the delivery guy and rejects the package. The undercover courier will then do everything possible to get the package into the target’s hands, with or without a signature. It’s the only way to execute the raid. In one desperate case, the courier blew his cover and flashed a badge. He summoned his partner, and the two asked to step inside to talk about the package. The target told them he had no idea what was in the package and that they most certainly could not come into his house. The agents said the package contained suspected drugs, and asked if they could open it. “Do what you want, it’s not my package.” They opened it, and inside were 500 Anabol tablets. “My mistake,” one agent said. “These are okay. You can import a personal use supply. Here, you can take them.” Nice try. The target told the agent to stick the tabs where the sun don’t shine and avoided an arrest and raid by the eight other agents skulking in wait just off the property.

Given the headaches presented by savvy suspects, law enforcers are taking a new approach: wiring the package to signal when it’s opened. When someone opens a package, that’s good evidence that he’s the one who knowingly intended to possess it, right? It might even be stronger evidence than signing for it. The application for the search warrant will request authorization to execute the raid once the signal goes off. Several jurisdictions have begun using electronic signaling devices, typically AT-4’s, to confirm that a target has opened his package. No part of the device is visible unless the package is opened. It makes no audible sound but transmits an alert signal to a remote receiver manned by the agents. These devices are perfect in cases where a signature request might spook the target. An AT-4 can make the difference between a botched operation and a valid arrest and raid. Be aware that it’s likely the wave of the future.

fu_k that, i think i will microwave the pack then. i hope i dont break my microwave though

[Tren Bull]

btw bro, do you know which jurisdictions have been doing this AT-4 nonsense?

[Outlaw**]

tren bull you just opened yourself up for alot of scammer PM's. Be careful of who sends you what, cause it is almost like youre asking for a better source.

[littlemantc]

I had my first international order "dispatched" march 4, and i have not received it yet. So its been 14 days. At what point should I assume that im not going to get my gear?

some sources could take up to 3 weeks to get to you..it all depends on the delay customs have..has it been busy at customs is the big questions...no news from customs is good news...

[IBdmfkr]

It will not come in a box Tren if I know what you're expecting so you don't have to worry about the device. Get to know the regular mail guy, that's your safest bet. If he isn't the one deliverying the pack then don't except it. Simple.

Also, track the pack and keep an eye on the process. If they suspect something they will have to open it, test it, and then confirm the substance. This could take up to a week or so. So if you get it in a few days, more than likely this hasn't taken place.

JMO.

[Tren Bull]

tren bull you just opened yourself up for alot of scammer PM's. Be careful of who sends you what, cause it is almost like youre asking for a better source.

its ok, people can try to scam me. im WAY too distrustfull for that to happen though

[Outlaw**]

and stay away from copperheads stuff, its soo good people are killin themselves over it, literally.....

[littlemantc]

It will not come in a box Tren if I know what you're expecting so you don't have to worry about the device. Get to know the regular mail guy, that's your safest bet. If he isn't the one deliverying the pack then don't except it. Simple.

i agree...i live in a small town i know everybody here..however that could go against me if customs want to try to catch me..then the wholr town will know..but theres ways getting around that too...just play stupid and say i have no idea what that is...

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[IBdmfkr]

Where you been Littleman? We missed you lol

[littlemantc]

btw bro, do you know which jurisdictions have been doing this AT-4 nonsense?

no i dont know anything more than what i read about..sorry i wish i could give you more that that..it would help me too

[G-1000]

Tren Bull you should no better.

I hope you dont plan on getting from a .com.


All you have to do is ask.

[littlemantc]

Where you been Littleman? We missed you lol

i have been working out and dieting...just like you said too...

[middistane]

Are international .com's more risky than just an internation person?

[Tren Bull]

back in the day, my bro orderd some amps of deca from an international source, and one of them broke. the mailman still delivered the pack, even though it was leaking oil.

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[IBdmfkr]

i have been working out and dieting...just like you said too...

Good to hear, post up your new routine/diet when you have some time and we'll critique if you need to.

[littlemantc]

Good to hear, post up your new routine/diet when you have some time and we'll critique if you need to.

week 1
monday= upper
tues=lower
wednesday=off
thurs=upper
fri=lower
sat=off
sunday=upper
monday=lower
tues=off
wednesday=upper
thurs=lower
fri=off
sat=off
sun=off
REPEAT..THIS
my diet...no junk food..no beer..no sugar...all i eat is...fish..steak..chicken..brown rice..egg whites..peanut butter..bread..turkey...tuna..cottage cheese...bake potatoes..green beans..spanach..turnip greens...this is all i have ate the the last 3 weeks..i eat every 2 hr..i take in about 3500 cals a day....i have gained 5 lb so far..in 3 weeks

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[IBdmfkr]

week 1
monday= upper
tues=lower
wednesday=off
thurs=upper
fri=lower
sat=off
sunday=upper
monday=lower
tues=off
wednesday=upper
thurs=lower
fri=off
sat=off
sun=off
REPEAT..THIS
my diet...no junk food..no beer..no sugar...all i eat is...fish..steak..chicken..brown rice..egg whites..peanut butter..bread..turkey...tuna..cottage cheese...bake potatoes..green beans..spanach..turnip greens...this is all i have ate the the last 3 weeks..i eat every 2 hr..i take in about 3500 cals a day....i have gained 5 lb so far..in 3 weeks

lol, would've been better on a new thread. But 5lbs in three wks is great. See that's natural too, keep it up.

[Tren Bull]

its all good. id be a straight hypocrit to say that its not ok to whore it up off topic in a certain thread. god knows ive done that many times

[littlemantc]

opps..sorry to shit on this thread on my last post...i had a newb moment

[Outlaw**]

keeps this thread going at least...

[G-1000]

its all good. id be a straight hypocrit to say that its not ok to whore it up off topic in a certain thread. god knows ive done that many times

That is for sure. 60% of your post count was from whoring

[G-1000]

keeps this thread going at least...

I say let this thread DIE

[Outlaw**]

everyone loves a good whore.