I've choosen my first cycle... Any input?

[Mogamedogz]

Ok, so I've done my research (over a years worth!) I have a clean diet. I dont drink, and im ready to start my first cycle. Im 26yrs old, I have been working out for about 6 years now, and Im sure that I have reached my "Genetic" peak. I have experimented in the past with prohormones (19-nor, M1t etc.) so I do have some idea of what to expect for side effects. Below is the cycle I have decided to go with. Is there anything I should add or take away from this? Also, the one question I still have, that I can never seem to get a straight answer on is, WHEN should I begin the PCT with the Clomid? Week 16? Or week 11??? And why? Also, IS Enanthate "really" the best TEST to use during my first cycle?? I have found that it is, during my research, but please feel free to disagree.


Weeks 1 - 10

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Testosterone Enanthate 500 mg(250mg Mon./250mg Thurs.)

Deca/200 - 400 mg
(200mg Mon./200mg Thurs.)

Nolvadex/15mg Everyday

Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day

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Weeks 11-15
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Nolvadex/20mg Everyday

Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day

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PCT- (Post Cycle Treatment)
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Clomid-

Week 1: Day 1: 300mg Day 2-7: 100mg

Week 2: Day 1: 100mg Day 2-7: 50mg

Week 3: Day 1-7: 50mg


Thanks for any feed back. BTW- please respond in Layman's terms, as I am not a scientist. I am just a dude looking to get a little bigger for the summer. Nothing more.

[IBdmfkr]

I'd stick with the Test by itself for your first cycle, leave the Deca for future cycles and see how you respond to Testosterone alone. Here's an Ex.

1-10 Test Enanthate 500mg/wk
1-10 Nolvadex 10mg/day (hold off bloat and prevent gynocomastia).
12-16 Clomid 100mg/day 2wks - 50mg/day next 2wks.
10-18 Nolva 20mg/day
Week 20 - Bloodwork (See where you stand).

Diet will determine results. High calorie will build more mass, calorie restricted will give leaner gains. Your choice.

Btw, since Enanthate has a 14days half-life, you would start PCT 2wks after last injection. Deca is approx 21 days incase you choose to incorporate it (I'd stick with 300-400mg/wk).

[Liftnainez]

I like the proposed cycle.. looks like you have done your research and are ready.. good luck brotha

[Ih8urdsm]

I'd stick with the Test by itself for your first cycle, leave the Deca for future cycles and see how you respond to Testosterone alone. Here's an Ex.

1-10 1-12?Test Enanthate 500mg/wk
1-4 dbol 30-40mg/day
1-10 Nolvadex 10mg/day (hold off bloat and prevent gynocomastia).
12-16 Clomid 100mg/day 2wks - 50mg/day next 2wks.
12-18 Nolva 20mg/day
Week 20 - Bloodwork (See where you stand).

Diet will determine results. High calorie will build more mass, calorie restricted will give leaner gains. Your choice.

Btw, since Enanthate has a 14days half-life, you would start PCT 2wks after last injection. Deca is approx 21 days incase you choose to incorporate it (I'd stick with 300-400mg/wk).

Looks good. What about running up to 12 weeks of Test, and running 30-40mg of dbol/day for week 1-4...?
I'd save Deca for cycle 2 or so.
and i dont know, but do you want to stop nolva for the 2 weeks between end of cycle and pct?

[IBdmfkr]

12wks is pointless IMO. Gains seem to halt around week 8-10 with enanthate with many members including myself. Also with 10wks he can get away with 2 - 10mL bottles. Making things simple.
No I'd run the nolva all the way through so estrogen doesn't rebound. Not sure why you'd want to stop it. If anything don't run it during cycle and have it on hand incase of gyno, but deff. run it with PCT.

[Ih8urdsm]

12wks is pointless IMO. Gains seem to halt around week 8-10 with enanthate with many members including myself. Also with 10wks he can get away with 2 - 10mL bottles. Making things simple.
No I'd run the nolva all the way through so estrogen doesn't rebound. Not sure why you'd want to stop it. If anything don't run it during cycle and have it on hand incase of gyno, but deff. run it with PCT.

no, thats what i thought...it was prob a mistake, but your first post had him running nolva 1-10, and then 12-18. thats why i was asking.
: )

I ran 10 Weeks on my first cycle of Test E and dbol(week 1-4)..

[Stackertoo]

If you are dead-set on running Deca, stop it at least 2 weeks before the Test.
Other than that, it looks good.

[anaBROLIC]

i dont think your cycle research is bad at all. from experience the deca dosage is to high compared to the test. myself i see a change in my libido after a few weeks with alot of deca. my recommendation would be to run the test at 500mgs and the deca 300mgs.
also i have my best recovery just running clomid 100mgs ed for the 3 weeks after cycle.

[anaBROLIC]

If you are dead-set on running Deca, stop it at least 2 weeks before the Test.
Other than that, it looks good.

1 week before the test is a little more accurate.

[Ih8urdsm]

If you are dead-set on running Deca, stop it at least 2 weeks before the Test.
Other than that, it looks good.

I recently posted my next cycle, and had been told to run test 1 week longer than deca, so start pct 14 days from last test E shot, and 21 days after last deca shot so pct would line up correctly..?

[IBdmfkr]

I recently posted my next cycle, and had been told to run test 1 week longer than deca, so start pct 14 days from last test E shot, and 21 days after last deca shot so pct would line up correctly..?

That is correct.

Yea the nolva starting at week 12 was a typo. Thx for lookin out. I'll edit it