6 Questions | Frontloading and more....

[JimiW]

Hi i am new member to the board so let me first introduce myself.

My name is Jimi I weigh 220lbs at 13-14%, 22 years old and am 5.7 and live in The Netherlands (That is why my grammar may be a little off)
I have been weight training seriously for 4.5 years now.
4 years I have been watching what I eat. And the last 2 years I have been counting kcal and weighing all my food.
I haven’t done a cycle yet and this is the reason I am here.
I waited till i got a good base and i think i have achieved that and are ready to really grow

I have been browsing the board since November and never saw the need to register cause the use of the search function has always been enough .
But I have a few questions for which I couldn’t really find a good answer . And I wanna be real damn sure about everything before I start my first cycle

This is the cycle I had in mind (Basically the same all the newbies wanna run):
Test E @ 500 Wk1-14
Eq @ 400 Wk1-12
Dbol @ 35 Wk1-4
Nolva
HCG
Clomid

And now on with the questions…

1:
I have read about Frontloading and this seems like a good plan. But at the mg’s i have in mind I would have to do 1gram and 800mg of Eq on my very first injection. Isn’t this way to much?? Or do I do 500mg in the quad and 500mg in the other quad etc….
Or do you just fronload the test?

2:
Is 500mg for the Test and 400mg for the Eq to much?

3:
Test E has a halflife of 7 days (if I am correct) but I read about injecting every 5th day cause of the rapid drop off after the 5th day. So do I inject every 5th or 7th day? And do I do the same for the Eq?

4:
I was thinking about doing 35mg of Dbol. But do I take 2 in the morning. 3 pills 1,5-2 hours before htting the gym and 2 in the evening. Or do I need to spread this out more?
If I should only take 30 or so plz say so.
Also 4 or 6 weeks of dbol what do you think??

5:
With the cycle I have in mind do I take 3 shots of HCG in week 6 or 7 or 8??? And at which doses???

6: Do I run nolva the whole cycle? I was first thinking of doing 10-20 the whole cycle but right now I am thinking of doing 10-20 when I run the Dbol (cause of the high conversion) and when I stop using Dbol drop the nolva unless I feel sides coming on.
What do you think? Wise or unwise?

Sorry for the extremely big first post. But I want to really understand why I am doing what I am doing to my body. I hope you guys can understand that. Thanks a bunch in advance for all the advice. If you have further questions please ask me.

[Rolsroyce]

hey Brother,welcome. You have some good size naturally,good for you to wait out your genetic potential. First I would say that you are overkill on the cycle. Your a virgin to it so you will get awesome results without stacking . My first cycle was only test and I gained 25lbs and only lost 5 of it after going off. So save the EQ abd Dbol for next time bro. You can run the nolva at 10mgs a day for the whole cycle but I doubt you will need it on your first time as well.I dont front load,never liked it and actually I get great results by starting off moderate and ramping up and then down at the end in a pyramid style. As for HCG, i would use nolva at 20mgs for a week before starting the HCG as it can cause estrogen to rise along with test. I would use HCG starting at week 10 if you are going 14 and go with 500units per week, you can split it up into two injects or use it in one. Dont think it makes much diff. Hope this helps bro. Hit me back if I can help...Good luck. Oh onr other thing, Dont be stingy on the calories when doing your first. Eat lots ,train hard and get plenty of sleep. You will gain a little fat but you can loose it later. This is the time to grow....Not cut cal. Good luck bro....

[fhorst]

I have to agree here. way to much gear!!!
just run 500mg of test per week, and you'll have great gains. You can "frontload" and that would be injecting twice a week 500mg., some say it's great, others say not. I don't know if the test will kick-in sooner with a heavy frontload.

D-Bol is a good place to start, before the test kicks-in, and anything between 15 and 50 mg will do
My first cycle was 3 x 5mg a day and had good results, but it is also depending on what d-bol you have. I have now the pink bd ones, and need to take 50mg a day (or i just got used to them)

For the Nolva / clomid, I personaly like to run it also during the cycle, as I'm prone to Gyno..


Anyway, welcome to the board!

altijd leuk een andere Nederlander op het forum

[JimiW]

Thanks for the quick responses.

I kinda expected this response. But you know how it goes for all us newbies. More compounds more gains hahaa. I am definitely considering what you guys said.
So should i drop the Dbol and the Eq. Or should i kickstart with dbol at (a lower dose) with the Test E?

About the fronloading. 2x 500 mg on different days won't that make my blood values unstable (don't really know how to say it in english) or are the unstabilty's negligible??

Fhorst: Altijd tof om welkom geheten te worden door een landgenoot!!

[JimiW]

Sorry to bump this thread after a day. But i would really like it if someone could help me on some of my questions before my thread is at page 5

[Rolsroyce]

if I were hellbent on frontloading test I would use Propianate or suspinsion to do it along with the test E dose you are planning.

[JimiW]

I am not really hellbent on loading test. But with you as an exception i have only read great things about frontloading (not saying you're bashing it). The concept op frontloading just makes sense to me. If the people with practical experience it doesn't really do me any good then i wont do it.

Nice call on the prop en susp. Hadn't really considered that. Would you do prop for 4 until the Test E kicks in or go for 5/6 to have a buffer???

Sorry if some of my question may be stupid. But i want to understand what i am doing and why i am doing what i am doing

[Rolsroyce]

right,I would go with about 4 weeks on the prop.That sounds good.

[fhorst]

Frontloading is OK, so if you want it, go for it.
Prop hurts like hell! (but it's a good fast acting AAS)
D-bol works fast also, but is more harsh on your liver.

One of the reasons people taking sustanon, is to have best of "all worlds" as it contains a fast acting ester and some slower ones.

Sust need to be shot ED / EOD and if you take about one gram a week, your fine

hope this helps some

[joeben22]

I would do this for a first cycle If I had it to do over again:
Dbol 35mgs/ed wk 1-4
Test E 500mgs/wk 1-12 (250mgs sun, 250mgs wed)
nolva 10mgs/ed during cycle, 20mgs/ed pct
clomid 100mgs/ed days 1-30 of pct

[JimiW]

Thanks for all the info. I have decided to definitely drop the Eq. Just gonna go with Test E and gonna keep the dbol. Seems like the better choice from what i have been hearing

Can you help me with the dbol intake split?
2 in the morning 3 afternoon 2 evening or split them up more?
Let me know what you guys think

I was planning on doing Milk Thistle and Vitamin B6 and Animal Pak. But now i have dropped the Eq are all these things still necessary?

[Rolsroyce]

cool bro,Im glad you have figured out how you want to do it.As for the split,just go with half AM and half PM should be fine.

[fhorst]

Yes you still should run Milk Thistle (maria distel in NL) as the d-bol is liver toxic. And don't forget vit b 12 e.g., so the whole B C and E complex

I split D-bol in 3 times during the day, and take the last at 17.00. If i take them later I have problems sleeping

[JimiW]

Do you know where i can get Maria Distel in holland or do you order it online??
About the Vitamin b6 and b12. Do you get it in pill forms or do you inject it?

[jp_blois]

Jimi please email me [email protected]

[PurplePatriot]

Hey jimi I saw that you still wanted your frontloading question answered. Heres what you need to know, first off no you are not injecting double your weeks mgs in the first injection. You are only injecting double the first injection amount. I hope that came out clear. Example: your doing 500mgs a weeks of test but your first injection is going to be 250mgs assuming you are shooting twice a week like you should be. In that case you are going to want to double that first injection up to 500mg instead of 250. So in essentially your will be running 750mgs on your first week.

When it comes to doing two smaller shots instead of one large one is just personal preference and will make no difference. I just frontloaded recently with test400 which is extremely painfull and this frontload shot has to be the most painfull steroid shot i have ever done, i havent been able to sit down properly for almost a week. I wish i would have done 2 smaller shots. Any more questions let me know take care.

[JimiW]

Actually no. I dont have any questions right now. Thanks for the crystal clear answer

[tbjake34]

I personally dont think frontloading is nessasry because test enethate is long acting there for it dosent kick in till about the 4-6 week no matter how much u put in your body. Just do the dbol the first 4 weeks IMO.

[JimiW]

I have used the Roidcalc numerous times and i think fronloading is benificial cause from week 1 you get stable blood values instead of a slow buildup and you finally hit stable blood values at week 8. But then again my knowledge is purely theoretical and yours probably is out of experience.
So i think i am gonna research it some more. But purely out of a theoretical standpoint frontloading seems the ticket to happiness

[novicenovicen]

I front load twice 1st and second shot double up. it helps maintain a higher half life.

[novicenovicen]

front load of long acting esters helps from my experience. I'm alos thinking anout using test E every day.