Please help! - First Cycle, no injections

[BlazingPhoenix]

OK, I've never done anything before, and after doing a bunch of research and reading posts on this site, I am thinking about starting with the following combo for my very first cycle:

Dbol - For fast mass buildup
Letrozole - To reduce water gains from Dbol
Anavar - for more long lasting gains

Keep in mind I am 6'2" tall, 40 years old, about 195lbs, and generally good health.
What I am trying to achieve is to get bigger and have a cut look (in other words, the typical body builder look). I'm not trying to get HUGE. I just want to look bigger and more cut before going to the beach (bulging muscles, ripped stomach). I already have some definition in my upper stomach, but a bit of bulge on my lower stomach. My chest has always been hard for me to build.
As you can see, I'm also trying to avoid injections.

Would this combo do what I am trying to achieve?

[TripleHHH]

u need a test..go with test e and dbol

[nickd10]

OK, I've never done anything before, and after doing a bunch of research and reading posts on this site, I am thinking about starting with the following combo for my very first cycle:

Dbol - For fast mass buildup
Letrozole - To reduce water gains from Dbol
Anavar - for more long lasting gains

Keep in mind I am 6'2" tall, 40 years old, about 195lbs, and generally good health.
What I am trying to achieve is to get bigger and have a cut look (in other words, the typical body builder look). I'm not trying to get HUGE. I just want to look bigger and more cut before going to the beach (bulging muscles, ripped stomach). I already have some definition in my upper stomach, but a bit of bulge on my lower stomach. My chest has always been hard for me to build.
As you can see, I'm also trying to avoid injections.

Would this combo do what I am trying to achieve?

Alot of people on here are going to tell you not to do an oral only cycle which is VERY good advice. If you have searched you will find that this cycle will achive some results but you need to have your training and diet in order before even thinking about steroids.
Any plans for PCT??

[BlazingPhoenix]

What do you mean by test e? Is that injected? (I told you I was a newbie :-) )
Also, do you mean test e and dbol only or in addition to the other 2?
Also, will my combo by tough on my liver?
I'm not planning on doing a bunch of cycles. Just enough to reach my goal and to do it once in a while when needed.
Is that a crazy thought?

[velvetlion]

What do you mean by test e? Is that injected? (I told you I was a newbie :-) )
Also, do you mean test e and dbol only or in addition to the other 2?
Also, will my combo by tough on my liver?
I'm not planning on doing a bunch of cycles. Just enough to reach my goal and to do it once in a while when needed.
Is that a crazy thought?

Just because you are a newbie doesn't mean that you wouldn't be better off injecting. A common misconception is that injectables are a lot more dangerous than orals and for the most part the opposite is true. Orals are normally much harder on the liver. Do some research on the subject. See what you can find out about 17 alpha akylated compounds and then see if that oral only cycle is really what you want to do. More sides, less gains? Doesn't sound very good to me.

[gellert32]

I just turned 20 4 days ago im 6 feet 205 10 percent body fat. I have a good muscular base but im looking to get huge.
Im about to do my first cycle of injected roids what should I look for. Give me a sample first time cycle with full names
Thanks for any help

[nickd10]

What do you mean by test e? Is that injected? (I told you I was a newbie :-) )
Also, do you mean test e and dbol only or in addition to the other 2?
Also, will my combo by tough on my liver?
I'm not planning on doing a bunch of cycles. Just enough to reach my goal and to do it once in a while when needed.
Is that a crazy thought?

Aright my friend.......do yourself a favor and search the steroid profiles on the main site. By the way it sounds you need to do much more researching before thinking about using. Once you have a good understanding let us know how we can help. To answer your questions:
(Test E - testosterone enanthate)
Dbol is harsh on your liver (17aa) use milk thistle to combat

[velvetlion]

I just turned 20 4 days ago im 6 feet 205 10 percent body fat. I have a good muscular base but im looking to get huge.
Im about to do my first cycle of injected roids what should I look for. Give me a sample first time cycle with full names
Thanks for any help

You should post this in a new thread instead of hijacking this one.

[BlazingPhoenix]

so would just test e with dbol be good to start with? Or should I add anything else? Or should I try something other than dbol?
As I said I want relatively quick results for bulk with a good cut look (don't want to just look big without muscle definition. Want bodybuilder look, not power lifter look, if you know what I mean).

[Hellmaskbanned]

For your age, you should be wanting test as you aas choice. Scared of needles at your age? LOL

[BlazingPhoenix]

We all have our irrational fears :-) But I'll deal with it if it means being safer.

[velvetlion]

We all have our irrational fears :-) But I'll deal with it if it means being safer.

Test prop. may be what you are looking for with the results that you want. The problem is that you have to inject ED and they can be somewhat painful. You should really do some research on the boards for beginner cycles and check out the profiles forum. There is a lot of useful info. on here. Take advantage of it!

[MasterShake]

Test prop. may be what you are looking for with the results that you want. The problem is that you have to inject ED and they can be somewhat painful. You should really do some research on the boards for beginner cycles and check out the profiles forum. There is a lot of useful info. on here. Take advantage of it!

I think with a good diet and adding var near the end he could get a good result from test e with fewer injections... correct me if I am wrong... Thanks.

[restless1]

what is the f***ing deal w/ people hijacking threads

[velvetlion]

I think with a good diet and adding var near the end he could get a good result from test e with fewer injections... correct me if I am wrong... Thanks.

I agree MasterShake, I just like to see guys run test alone for the first one so they know exactly how it effects there body solely without any other compounds. Not to say that it is wrong to run more compounds with it, cause for me, the more compounds the better. But it isn't my first cycle either.

[MasterShake]

what is the f***ing deal w/ people hijacking threads

be constructive junior

[Undecided09]

This thread is alot like the one I posted...He is looking for the same look as me...Velvetlion is right though about the injections, if you can bypass your liver, which is obviously what injecting is, then your liver doesnt have to break this down and thus isnt damaged...However, Velvet...does jumpstarting it with d-bol for the first 1-4 weeks sound like a legit idea??? Also, will D-bol still give you the "bodybuilder look" as blazing has deemed it?

[topvega]

This thread is alot like the one I posted...He is looking for the same look as me...Velvetlion is right though about the injections, if you can bypass your liver, which is obviously what injecting is, then your liver doesnt have to break this down and thus isnt damaged...However, Velvet...does jumpstarting it with d-bol for the first 1-4 weeks sound like a legit idea??? Also, will D-bol still give you the "bodybuilder look" as blazing has deemed it?

Ok lets come back to Earth on this one.... even the best thought out and executed cycle with proper diet and training is not going to give you " the bodybuilder look"...... that takes a lifestyle change and alot of hard work and dedication.... and dbol is most definetely not going to make that happen.... it might give u the doughboy, moon face look....

[velvetlion]

This thread is alot like the one I posted...He is looking for the same look as me...Velvetlion is right though about the injections, if you can bypass your liver, which is obviously what injecting is, then your liver doesnt have to break this down and thus isnt damaged...However, Velvet...does jumpstarting it with d-bol for the first 1-4 weeks sound like a legit idea??? Also, will D-bol still give you the "bodybuilder look" as blazing has deemed it?

Dbol is not going to make you into a bodybuilder. It all depends on diet. If you aren't eating cleanly, dbol will put on a lot of water weight. Dbol is a legitimate kickstart, but I don't think it is needed in your first cycle. See how your body reacts to test and then throw in some of these other compounds.

In what he is looking for, t bol sounds like a better idea to me than d bol, but I still say test only for the first cycle. I know that a lot of people don't like to hear that, but I think it is the best idea.

Think of it in a diet way. If you wanted to lose some weight, so you changed your carbs, fat, and protein all at the same time, how would you know which affected you in what way? You wouldn't. When making changes with diet, it is best to change one thing at a time to see how your body responds to it so that you will know for future reference. Same thing with gear. How will you know how test (the base of almost every cycle) effects you if you are always running another compound with it.

[Undecided09]

Velvet, I understand completely with everything your saying, matter of fact great analogy...would you still recommend only the test only even if I was planning on doing only one cycle???? Because I would understand learning how your body reacted if you were planning a cycle regimen, but Im not...I wanted to do one cycle and thats it, so in that instance would it be ok to stack my enanthate with winny? Or what would you recommend to stack for some Lean Mass growth, along with some serious shredding...(obviously along with proper dieting and PCT)...

[joeben22]

Ok lets come back to Earth on this one.... even the best thought out and executed cycle with proper diet and training is not going to give you " the bodybuilder look"...... that takes a lifestyle change and alot of hard work and dedication.... and dbol is most definetely not going to make that happen.... it might give u the doughboy, moon face look....

Exactly what I was thinking.

[fhorst]

Most ppl on this board are negative agaist orals / oral only cycle.

True, you get better gains from injectable, and true it's saver on your liver.
BUT it ain't THAT harsh on your liver. Getting drunk a few times will do more damage, and exp. if you keep it to a short period, the "damage" ain't bad.

Personally I had good gains on anavar (30mg), andriol (480mg) and d-bol (30mg) . And Yes, it cost a lot of money, but I gained good.

As most ppl on the board, I switched to injectables, as it's a lot more simple then swallowing like 20 pils every day and a lot more cheaper.

Some members have run orals at high dosages (100mg of var and up) for 6 to 8 weeks, and their liver values came back normal.

End of the line, if you don't want to inject, you can get great gaind from orals.
But if you do want to inject, life is much more simple, cheaper and your gains are better

[farrebarre]

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[doublefister]

I did a six weeker of tbol (oral turinabol) ate 4-5000 calories a day and gained 15lbs. I am now in pct and I still have to maintain those calories through pct or I will lose it fast plus I have a fast metabolism.

Tbol will give you lean mass and if you eat right you can easily gain 10lbs in my opinion but thats all on your diet.

The orals out there that I think are beneficial and less toxic on the liver would be anavar which is good for strength and cutting and tbol which is good for lean body mass.

There are some that actually stack the two which I will be doing as soon as my shoulder heals.

[Timm1704]

Velvet, I understand completely with everything your saying, matter of fact great analogy...would you still recommend only the test only even if I was planning on doing only one cycle???? Because I would understand learning how your body reacted if you were planning a cycle regimen, but Im not...I wanted to do one cycle and thats it, so in that instance would it be ok to stack my enanthate with winny? Or what would you recommend to stack for some Lean Mass growth, along with some serious shredding...(obviously along with proper dieting and PCT)...

this doesnt often always end up being the case my mate hehe, that many fiends of mine have said "i just wanna do this one cycle, il never do another" then, as soon as they finish PCT they are in the midst of planning their next course

[GetBiggg]

Get him some Prop / Tren oh yeah baby!!!

ah, i'd go with Test E 500mg EW weeks 1-10 or 1-12 if you want.
and make sure to get some proper PCT
and i'd run Novla 10mg ED during the cycle.

ok....

[BlazingPhoenix]

Thanks for the great info. OK, so, let's say I do avanar for strenght and cutting, how long should my first cycle be, what dosage, and how long after the cycle should I start pct, and what should that pct consist of? Will avanar give me a bit more mass and good cut?
I've heard many people do clomid for pct, but heard of nasty side effects on this board, such as bad vision, etc... Anything else I could take? Seems like everyone always mentions it for pct.

Thanks, in advance.

[fhorst]

to start, the sides of clomid are mild comparing to not taking them. bad vision ain't that bad, unless you are prone to it. Clomid has some specific abilities that nolva ot letro does not have. So.... ALWAYS use Clomid

Anavar will help you cutting, and gain some mass, but it ain't a mass builder.
You schould take 2 x 25 a 30mg a day (active life is 8 hours) so one at the morning and one 7 or 8 hours later) You should run it for about 6 weeks, eat enough and get plenty of rest.

If you want more mass, Andriol might be something for you if you can afford it. Otherwise go with D-bol or T-bol (25-30 mg a day)

And your next cycle will be test