The Clenbuterol Journey

[macejrb]

Stats:
22yrs old
5"10
15% BF
203 BW
My diet is also on spot and I am currently serving in the U.S Army so cardio is conducted at work everyday at 0630 hours on a empty stomach. I also do cardio 3x a week at night which consists of running around a 4.2 mile airfield in about 35 minutes or under depending on the weather and my body. I also love boxing with my friends for a great "smoke" style workout.

I workout 6x a week and my workouts are done in very high intensity form. I usually will push myself until I can't go anymore and then I can consider myself smoked.

I will answer all questions that are presented to me about my workout/cardio/diet as the thread builds (hopefully)

Thanks gentlemen for your time and hopefully the help.


Any comments will be apreciated.
Thank you again!

[jp_blois]

How are your sides?

[macejrb]

I haven't started yet. I start next tuesday, March 28th.

[SPIKE]

Running this straight for this long may leave you disappointed. Have you ever ran Clen before?

[macejrb]

Running this straight for this long may leave you disappointed. Have you ever ran Clen before?

I am confused of your statement...I am doing two weeks on two weeks off. Is your question focused towards the ECA stack?

[SPIKE]

I am confused of your statement...I am doing two weeks on two weeks off. Is your question focused towards the ECA stack?

That's exactly why I said you may be disappointed Mac. Most feel 2 weeks on 2 weeks off is the most effective route to take. Til this day I dont see why and where this protocol evolved from.

Check out this thread, its relatively new and was posted a couple of days ago. I commented along with others no why 2 on 2 off isnt the most effective route. I think you'll get more from this rather them me just posting what I wrote a few days ago. After reading this thread and the Clen profile here on AR let me know how you feel and what you're thinking.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=231515

[geobatman]

looks good.
Stick with the cycle you posted.
If your taking tabs, you really don't need to split your doses.

[GetBiggg]

I was under te impression that running an ECA stack during the two weeks of "off time" from clen will caus ethe receptors not to refresh and render the entire "cycle" as is useless.

shouldn't you do two weeks on // two weeks off (of everything) then two weeks on again.
Running the ECA stack during the two week off period will prevent the receptors from refreshing?

on another note, I ran Clen for 6 weeks straight, at 120mcgs ED, and used Benaydrl for the 3rd week and change, and I feel that I got diminished results.

i'm running clen again currently and am doing the two week on / two week off method.

[SPIKE]

Stick with the cycle you posted.
If your taking tabs, you really don't need to split your doses.

I was going to ask you why you thought that this cycle was best. Then I kept reading and saw that you wrote to take the enire dose at 1 time. Why in the world would someone take 120mcg at one time? Please dont say due to its half life either, with Clen there are other reasons.

[SPIKE]

I was under te impression that running an ECA stack during the two weeks of "off time" from clen will caus ethe receptors not to refresh and render the entire "cycle" as is useless. Somewhat correct. It wouldnt make the cycle useless jsut not as effective
shouldn't you do two weeks on // two weeks off (of everything) then two weeks on again.
Running the ECA stack during the two week off period will prevent the receptors from refreshing? Will prevent upregulation, thats why people take the time off. to somewhat "refresh" them/ But whats the point when you're taking something that still effects them.

on another note, I ran Clen for 6 weeks straight, at 120mcgs ED, and used Benaydrl for the 3rd week and change, and I feel that I got diminished results.

i'm running clen again currently and am doing the two week on / two week off method.

Let us know which works better for you. I have tried many different ways before I could find out which was best for me and my goals.

[Giantz11]

ECA and Clen are both beta agonists. They both hit Beta recptors and both cause down regulation. The only things that are proposed to upregulate Beta receptors are T3 and Benadryl/Ketotifen. Taking ECA while off Clen actually further down regulates Beta receptors, making that particular option quite useless as it goes against the purpose. I like the 1 week on 1 week off, proposed by Loki over at Avant. I sugges you check out Mind and Muscle Mag online and read up.

[DSM4Life]

Sorry I don't have the link but saved the text :

Clenbuterol




Clenbuterol (Clen) is a selective beta-2 agonist/antagonist and a bronchodilator. What this means, is that it stimulates your beta-2 receptors. Of great importance, is that Clenbuterol is a selective beta-2 agonist (because it works selectively on the beta-2-andrenergic-receptors), right? The thing is, Clenbuterol is selective...like hitting a tack (the tack being your beta-2 receptors)with a small hammer (the hammer being the Clen)...thus, it hits the beta-2 receptors selectively. Sorry if that seems repetitious, but it’s very important to understand that fact before we move on. Since clenbuterol has very little beta-1 stimulating ability, it has the ability to reduce certain kinds of airway obstruction without much in the way of cardiovascular effect (more about that later), and this is why it is used as an asthma medication.

So what exactly dose a stimulant like Clen (or Ephedrine) do when it stimulates those Beta Receptors? Well, it serves to increase your body temperature a bit by increasing heat production in the Mitochondria, increase your basal metabolic rate, and decrease your appetite (1). This partly explains how Beta-2 agonists directly stimulate fat cells and increase lypolysis (fat-loss)(1)(13). And also, because it is a Beta-2 agent, clen can decrease insulin sensitivity (2), unfortunately.


Clen is a very effective repartitioning agent, and this is what it’s most often used for in athletic circles. It will increase your ratio of Fat Free Mass (FFM) to Fat Mass, by decreasing your Fat and possibly increasing your FFM (3). Lets quantify that a bit:

In one study, horses given a semi-reasonable dose of clen (slightly over 1mcg/lb x2 a day) and excercised for 20mins, 3x a week ( I suppose they were Mentzer disciples) had significant decreases in %fat (-17.6%) and fat mass (-19.5%) at week 2, which was similar to Clen given to horses who didn’t excercise; in contrast, the excercised group had a different FFM response, which significantly increased (+4.4%) at week 6 (3). Week 6! Here’s a chart illustrating the changes in % of BodyFat experienced in the various test groups, followed by a chart showing the increase in Fat Free Mass experienced by the same groups:


Changes in percent body fat (%fat) over time in clenbuterol and exercise (ClenEx; A), clenbuterol only (Clen; B), exercise only (Ex; C), and control (Con; D) groups. Means with different letters (a and b) are significantly different.



Changes in fat free mass (FFM) over time in ClenEx (A), Clen (B), Ex (C), and Con (D). Means with different letters (a-c) are significantly different.

[macejrb]

Thanks for the information gentlemen. I will read up on what has been posted and will go back to work on designing a cycle that best suites me.

Thanks again for the replys.

[SPIKE]

ECA and Clen are both beta agonists. They both hit Beta recptors and both cause down regulation. The only things that are proposed to upregulate Beta receptors are T3 and Benadryl/Ketotifen. Taking ECA while off Clen actually further down regulates Beta receptors, making that particular option quite useless as it goes against the purpose.

Fheeeeeeeeeeew saved me a mouthful, thanks buddy.......

Thanks for the information gentlemen. I will read up on what has been posted and will go back to work on designing a cycle that best suites me.

Awesome!! When you're ready to rock post up and let us know what you came up with. Best of luck!!!!!!!!!

[HUNTER1]

I like his attitude, good man!

[macejrb]

The thread will be updated late friday/early saturday on a new cycle for review.

I am also going to include how much Clen/Ben will be needed for this cycle.

Thanks!

[GetBiggg]

Why in the world would someone take 120mcg at one time? Please dont say due to its half life either, with Clen there are other reasons.

can you elaborate a bit more on this for everyone's general knowledge please?

i'm pretty curious myself. sometimes I space out my doses, but other times i just take a big mega dose if it's what fits in my schedule best. i'm sure others do the same....

[SPIKE]

can you elaborate a bit more on this for everyone's general knowledge please?

i'm pretty curious myself. sometimes I space out my doses, but other times i just take a big mega dose if it's what fits in my schedule best. i'm sure others do the same....

I always recommend people starting low and working their way up to a tolerable/effective dose. Once you reach that dose you dont want to shock your body with one lump dose. Most will get the jitters for a couple of hours then they're done. I feel it's better to space out the dose and give a little at a time to let your body use it efficiently. Total dose over 3X a day generally speaking.

[Mesomorphyl]

Take out the ECA stack and just use it in a 2 on 2 off manner after your clen is all used up. My opinion.

[AmonRy]

Thanks for a bunch more info, gents. I am altering my clen cycle as we speak(or type).

[geobatman]

I was going to ask you why you thought that this cycle was best. Then I kept reading and saw that you wrote to take the enire dose at 1 time. Why in the world would someone take 120mcg at one time? Please dont say due to its half life either, with Clen there are other reasons.

I guess the question is why not. I suppose i'm bias because I'm laughing at the clen side effects at 140mcg. Before I started everyone was like "omg cramps and headaches!"

But if i've learned anything from reading the posts is that clen effects everyone different.

So, I say to the OP if you, like me, find the side effects at 140mcg (or whatever your max is) to be more than bearable......there is no need to split your doses.

[GQ-Bouncer]

that's alot of cardio brutha,

I would advise against you doing Clen, only because you need your heart to get back to it's comfortable resting heart rate between workouts. Your goal obviously is to lose wieght, being a 200+ pounder runner i understand where your comming from, but this combined with clen will be detrimental

I would advise you look into Anavar

[stupidhippo]

like ppl said, pointless to do 2 weeks on off clen and stack the off time with ECA.... not the way to go for sure... The plasma concentration of clen peaks quite soon after administration (if I remember correctly) and IMO splitting up the doses is the way to go with clen. On another note personally I liked doing 2 weeks on off with clen better than the continous method woth benadryl. I did use benadryl thoogh with the 2 weeks on/ off also.