help please

[curtdawg28]

OK guys just got some fina, thought it would be best for me along with diet (5'11" 250lbs) because of lean muscle mass and little water retesion. Is there any thing I need to know about this (side and such) and what if anything do i need to take with it. just how easy is it to get the mix right, it looks easy but I don't want to waste it....

[stocky121]

i hope your not thinking of running tren alone ???

[guest589745]

Tren is a very powerful drug and would not be wise to run a) by itself or b) for a first cycle.

How old are you?
how long have you been training for?

[curtdawg28]

really I've read somewher that it could be run alone am i wrong in trying this????

[guest589745]

yes you are, in a sense.

[curtdawg28]

28, off and on about 4 yrs this time about 3 months

[stocky121]

really I've read somewher that it could be run alone am i wrong in trying this????

yes you are my friend

tren NEED'S to be run with some form of test

what are your stat's and cycle experiance ??

[guest589745]

It is just not a good idea to run it without some test in there as well.

have you read the "PROFILES" section here yet? You should read it, there is a TON of knowledge to be learned by simply doing some reading there.

[curtdawg28]

5'11" 250 not real fat though like you would think. I've done d-bol alone before and thats about it

[stocky121]

5'11" 250 not real fat though like you would think. I've done d-bol alone before and thats about it

i would leave tren out this time then just keep it for another cycle.

i would just run a test only cycle this time then try a test/tren cycle after if you still wish.

tren is a very harsh steroid on side affect's that's all

[curtdawg28]

stocky, glad you made a vet you are always very helpful.

[velvetlion]

What you should learn to do is to research the drug and its sides before you purchase it and decide to run it. If you would have researched the sides on tren first, you might see that its one of the harsher steroids in regards to sides and toxicity. It will also shut you down hard, so you may want to think twice about running it if this is all new to you. Research, research, research, and then make educated choices.

[curtdawg28]

But what I've read up on test has a lot of water gains and I really don't want that.

[guest589745]

But what I've read up on test has a lot of water gains and I really don't want that.

It heavily depends on your diet. and yes, you DO want that, in a way.

[stocky121]

But what I've read up on test has a lot of water gains and I really don't want that.

then run a AI that will help with water retention. Also diet play's a big part as well

[guest589745]

Runnin nolva with it should help

[curtdawg28]

Thanks guys, I've read the profiles section here and on b*********r guess I need to read somemore

[curtdawg28]

Ok I went back and read the profile on here and could not really find anything about the sides, but on another board(I think) I read that you had to get your doses right to adjust to the sides. For ex. this guy said he has done 75mg/ml ed up to 200 eod and the higher the dose the worse the side (muscle failure and lower back pain) and foun that 100 to 150mg/ml eod worked best for him. As a first cycle he said he would start with 75mg/ml eod would be best till you find out what the sides are like.. As for the sex problems my wife says I want it to much anyways. CD

[curtdawg28]

Hows that sound?????

[curtdawg28]

And finally in doses of 50-100 mg daily, trenbolone acetate can be used just fine by itself and quite favorably. In fact for people starting out, not too concerned with the side-effects and looking solely for a quality increase in lean muscle, small doses of fina (50mg/day injectable) would be very suitable.

From the b********R web site

[curtdawg28]

"DOSAGES
On my first fina cycle I started with testosterone and 75mg trenbolone EOD and exploded in strength, vascularity and hardness. After a few more cycles with fina and experimenting with dosages ranging from 75mg EOD to 112.5mg ED I have concluded for myself that 150mg EOD is all I desire. At 75mg EOD I receive some results, but nothing outstanding. At 150mg EOD I gain in size, strength, vascularity and hardness – however – at this dosage I also receive negative side effects like shoulder and lower back cramping, aggression, heartburn, sleeplessness and night sweats. For me, when I begin to get negative side effects I also begin to get positive sides as well. At higher dosages like 112.5mg ED my side effects become unbearable. The muscle cramping pain becomes so intolerable that I often have to stop my workouts, quick in the middle of squat routines, avoid deadlifts, and even totally skip shoulder days. I’ve come to the conclusion that trenbolone dosage is a unique balance of sides vs. results. Once the sides prevent me from achieving my workout goals or force me to modify my routine drastically, it’s time to cut back. "

See I've done my homework but you get conflicting oppions. CD

[curtdawg28]

no one helped me anymore?????

[curtdawg28]

would someone tell me what they think????

[longhorn814]

here is one of the best descptions of tren

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199832

[curtdawg28]

yea I've read that I was just asking about it being run alone and dosages???

[guest589745]

Dude, I hope you arent gonna run it alone...........???