Quick Question

[HeavyHitter]

I am going to start a Var plus Tbol cycle. I was told to take higher doses of Tbol due to the fact it has Test. Can somebody let me know a good mg stack. thanks

i was thinking 50mg Tbol and 30mg var. or maybe 60-40. thanks

[MatrixGuy]

Personally, i wouldn't like to run two orals at the same time. Are you using test bro? 30mg of var is a low dose and not worth it IMO.

[RA]

Never used tbol. Boozer probably be able to answer.

[MAXIMA5]

I'd run the var at 50-60mg ED minimum dose, regardless of the Tbol Dose.

If Tbol is supposed to be run higher, run it higher. if it is supposed to be run lower than Var, run it lower.

My point is Var probably will be useless at doses under 50mg.

[Swifto]

There both hypatoxic so bloodowork is essential here if your running both compounds for 6+ weeks IMO. With bloodwork you can assess whether continueing is in your healths best intrests, or not.

Are you running them alone of with other compounds? If alone, I'd go 40-50mg/ED of each. Not exceeding 100mg/ED total.

[HeavyHitter]

Personally, i wouldn't like to run two orals at the same time. Are you using test bro? 30mg of var is a low dose and not worth it IMO.

yeah i figured that... i might just do 60mg tbol 50mg var!

[Swifto]

yeah i figured that... i might just do 60mg tbol 50mg var!

I wouldnt exceed 100mg in total. 50mg/ED of each.

[HeavyHitter]

There both hypatoxic so bloodowork is essential here if your running both compounds for 6+ weeks IMO. With bloodwork you can assess whether continueing is in your healths best intrests, or not.

Are you running them alone of with other compounds? If alone, I'd go 40-50mg/ED of each. Not exceeding 100mg/ED total.

There both toxic but Var is made with (electron/neutron scientific talk) ???? no clue and therefore not as bad i thought....

if i plan to run plenty of thistle along with it, would 8 weeks be that bad??

[HeavyHitter]

I wouldnt exceed 100mg in total. 50mg/ED of each.

have you ever heard that you should run more tbol then var???

[Swifto]

There both toxic but Var is made with (electron/neutron scientific talk) ???? no clue and therefore not as bad i thought....

if i plan to run plenty of thistle along with it, would 8 weeks be that bad??

Var isnt very hypatoxic, yet Tbol is. Its upto you. If I ever do it I wont exceed 100mg/ED total. If you get bloodwork done that changes things. Then you can adjust the dose(s) accordingly comparing gains/sides.

[HeavyHitter]

Var isnt very hypatoxic, yet Tbol is. Its upto you. If I ever do it I wont exceed 100mg/ED total. If you get bloodwork done that changes things. Then you can adjust the dose(s) accordingly comparing gains/sides.

honestly... ive never had bloodwork done and dont think i would, but even if i did get it done, how would i figure shit out??

[Swifto]

have you ever heard that you should run more tbol then var???

No. The only reason this may be the case it due to loss of labido. Considering var isnt that suppressive to the HPTA and Tbol increases your sex drive I dont see this being a factor. If it is, increase the Tbol dose and Var down slightly.

PM Jayhova, I belive he was running both these at 40mg/ED each, but with other AS.

[BajanBastard]

There both toxic but Var is made with (electron/neutron scientific talk) ???? no clue and therefore not as bad i thought....

if i plan to run plenty of thistle along with it, would 8 weeks be that bad??

The Var/T-bol combo I’m sure is less toxic than 100mg ed of d-bol, A-bombs or winny. I don't know when you heard that t-bol MUST be run higher than the var. T-bol does not contain any form of test it is just clorotestosterone with a methyl group. Just run an effective dose for both. 50/50 is a good start.

[Swifto]

honestly... ive never had bloodwork done and dont think i would, but even if i did get it done, how would i figure shit out??

Mine comes back with markers showing if one is high/low. My doctor also goes through it with me. Normal ranges are also indicated when I get mine done.

[HeavyHitter]

No. The only reason this may be the case it due to loss of labido. Considering var isnt that suppressive to the HPTA and Tbol increases your sex drive I dont see this being a factor. If it is, increase the Tbol dose and Var down slightly.

PM Jayhova, I belive he was running both these at 40mg/ED each, but with other AS.

you got it kid... i defly agree with ya!! thanks for the help

[Swifto]

you got it kid... i defly agree with ya!! thanks for the help

No problem bro....Good luck.

[Anabolios]

Var isnt very hypatoxic, yet Tbol is. Its upto you. If I ever do it I wont exceed 100mg/ED total. If you get bloodwork done that changes things. Then you can adjust the dose(s) accordingly comparing gains/sides.

how come i see a LOT of people running 8 week tbol cycles yet i see people recommending going no longer than 4 weeks on an oral..is dbol or winny more toxic than tbol?

[HeavyHitter]

The Var/T-bol combo I’m sure is less toxic than 100mg ed of d-bol, A-bombs or winny. I don't know when you heard that t-bol MUST be run higher than the var. T-bol does not contain any form of test it is just clorotestosterone with a methyl group. Just run an effective dose for both. 50/50 is a good start.

DONE! thanks guys! Im gonna be a FCKIN ANIMAL!!! RAAAWWWW YOU KNOW HOW I GET ON VAR RAAAAAAAAAGE!!!!!!!!!!!

[Swifto]

how come i see a LOT of people running 8 week tbol cycles yet i see people recommending going no longer than 4 weeks on an oral..is dbol or winny more toxic than tbol?

Winstrol is more hypatoxic than many compounds. Tbol/Dbol /Var included. I'd say Tbol's got the same hypatoxicity as Dbol as its the same compound but has a 4-chloro alteration. Both 17-alpha-alkylated compounds.

[Booz]

like Big has stated both var and i think t-bol are less toxic than other orals............
i will be running var 16 weeks in the summer...with maybe t-bol at the beggin with other compounds in there also....i will be goin over the 100mg oral at certain stages through the cycle....imo the liver can take more than we think.....blood work is essential tho...........newbies i suggest staying at a modest dose you do not know how you will react..............

[Swifto]

like Big has stated both var and t-bol are less toxic than other orals............
i will be running var 16 weeks in the summer...with maybe t-bol at the beggin with other compounds in there also....i will be goin over the 100mg oral at certain stages through the cycle....imo the liver can take more than we think.....blood work is essential tho...........newbies i suggest staying at a modest dose you do not know how you will react..............

This is the key here. If no problems, why not carry on...?

[Booz]

This is the key here. If no problems, why not carry on...?

exactly my thoughts mate....

[Swifto]

exactly my thoughts mate....

Great minds think alike huh?!

[magic32]

How you stack them depends on your goals which I don't see anywhere. Tbol will generate more muscularity (lbm), while Var has burning properties. They really should be used with a Test base, but most V/T users who opt not to do so run the TBol at a higher level than Var for libido reasons. I've never experienced any Var related loss of it, but that's the report. And as stated above, observe the 100mg oral guideline, also try to keep duration under 16wks.

M.

[BajanBastard]

DONE! thanks guys! Im gonna be a FCKIN ANIMAL!!! RAAAWWWW YOU KNOW HOW I GET ON VAR RAAAAAAAAAGE!!!!!!!!!!!

Lmao!! Good luck pretty boy!