Gyno.......

**Mooseman33** · 03-30-2006, 12:24 PM

I know there a tons of posts on this but i have a big problem i think..noticed yesterdat that my right nipple is a little puffy, not sesitive at all, when i push on it i feel a little pea size lump...this is the start of gyno from what i read...
taking test500ew, decca400ew, and arimidex .25 dailey..think the a-dex is bad, because this is happining..
so what do i do, what should i take and how much for how long, and should i stay on gear, tomm. is shot day......

**Mooseman33** · 03-30-2006, 01:18 PM

c-mon guys

**MAXIMA5** · 03-30-2006, 01:31 PM

I wouldn't stop a cycle because of a very minor sign of gyno. I'm not very familiar with adex, but I would maybe try 1.5-2.5mg of Letro ED for a few weeks. This should eliminate the puffyness. Then I would switch to 20mg of Nolvadex for the remainder of the cycle because it isnt as harsh. Wait for more replies before you do this. A mod or vet OR SWIFTO might have a better recommendation.

**Swifto** · 03-30-2006, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by MAXIMA5

I wouldn't stop a cycle because of a very minor sign of gyno. I'm not very familiar with adex, but I would maybe try 1.5-2.5mg of Letro ED for a few weeks. This should eliminate the puffyness. Then I would switch to 20mg of Nolvadex for the remainder of the cycle because it isnt as harsh. Wait for more replies before you do this. A mod or vet might have a better recommendation.

I'm not no Mod/Vet but I'll offer my advice.

Bump the Arimidex to 0.5mg/ED for 1-2 weeks and see if the sides subside. If not, bump to 0.75-1.0mg/ED for 1-2 weeks. I dont suggest using Nolva with Arimdex as Nolva can reduce the effectiveness of 3rd generation AI's. See what works for you. Running a SERM/AI may combat the problem, trial and error is the key.

Ideally, Letro would be the obvious choice here as it has a dramatic effect on lowering estrogen levels. If you run Letro, be sure to taper the dosage down with its use to avoid an estrogen rebound occurring.

**MAXIMA5** · 03-30-2006, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I'm not no Mod/Vet but I'll offer my advice.

Bump the Arimidex to 0.5mg/ED for 1-2 weeks and see if the sides subside. If not, bump to 0.75-1.0mg/ED for 1-2 weeks. I dont suggest using Nolva with Arimdex as Nolva can reduce the effectiveness of 3rd generation AI's. See what works for you. Running a SERM/AI may combat the problem, trial and error is the key.

Ideally, Letro would be the obvious choice here as it has a dramatic effect on lowering estrogen levels. If you run Letro, be sure to taper the dosage down with its use to avoid an estrogen rebound occurring.

Swift, I edited my post just for you.
You might as well be a vet anyways.

**Swifto** · 03-30-2006, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by MAXIMA5

Swift, I edited my post just for you.
You might as well be a vet anyways.

Ha Ha Ha. Thanks bro...

**Mooseman33** · 03-30-2006, 02:05 PM

i think the a-dex is bunk, should i just order some nolva and go that route...i mean, how fast will this progress?

**Swifto** · 03-30-2006, 02:07 PM

Get some Nolva and L-Dex from AR-R and run both, then drop the Nolva. Like I said above, running the 2 isnt ideal, as the concentrations of L-Dex will be effected by the Nolva, this is why you should drop the Nolva after 1-2 weeks then continue with a maintenence dose of L-Dex throughout. Running both may solve the problem. It depends greatly on the individual.

**Mooseman33** · 03-30-2006, 02:28 PM

AR-R sells nolva, can't find it there....
just sent them an e-mail...
swifto can i shoot u a PM...

**MAXIMA5** · 03-30-2006, 02:31 PM

ARR def has L-dex and Letro.

**Mooseman33** · 03-30-2006, 02:37 PM

im lost man. l-dex is nolva? or letro

**MAXIMA5** · 03-30-2006, 02:38 PM

l-dex is an oral liquid, letro is a different oral liquid, and Nolvas are usually pills. I think Lion has liquid nolva called tamox or something Click on the link for nolva.

**TinTin78** · 03-30-2006, 02:42 PM

I would go with the letro, I followed the pyramid dosage told by C Bino.

Day 1 - 0.25mg
Day 2 - 0.50mg
Day 3 - 1 mg
day 4 - 1,5mg
day 5 - 2mg
day 6 - 2,5mg
and stay at this dosage until you feel it goes down, very individual but C bino said about 4-7 days. Then keep using it a couple of more days and then pyramid it back down to 0.25-0.50mg and use it like that up until pct.

Here is the link to the letro from ARR.
http://www.anabolicreview-research.c...keywords=letro

**Mooseman33** · 03-30-2006, 02:43 PM

how bad were the side effects ?and thanks

**Mooseman33** · 03-30-2006, 02:43 PM

how bad were the side effects ?and thanks

**MAXIMA5** · 03-30-2006, 02:46 PM

Only sides would be rapid depletion of estrogen. I get a little moody when on high doses of letro.
More importantly, taper the letro down after the gyno subsides, or your estrogen levels might rapidly rebound.

**TinTin78** · 03-30-2006, 02:47 PM

Side effects from Letro?

Tiredness the first days, no sexdrive, hard to ejaculate and very low mood overall. But do you want tits? I thought not, just get that letro and be a happy man later. The sex and all that will come back later, it's not that you can't fix it on your own but having sex with a person puts pressure on you because it takes longer time to complete when you use letro. That in turn makes you nervous and then the dick goes limp, and when you think about the limpness, you are over with.

**Mooseman33** · 03-30-2006, 03:00 PM

should i continue cycle, tomm is shot?

**TinTin78** · 03-30-2006, 03:38 PM

I continued mine, but get letro as fast as possible and keep taking nolva or arimidex in the meantime.

**Mooseman33** · 03-30-2006, 03:40 PM

how quick does gyno progress?
got letro and nolva on way from LION, and have a-dex at house...

**TinTin78** · 03-30-2006, 03:52 PM

keep taking A-dex as Swifto mentioned in the meantime until you get letro, then stop a-dex and switch to the more effective letro. And don't worry about the gains, they will still arrive, I have gained a couple of kg's since I started letro.

**briansauras** · 03-30-2006, 04:51 PM

I just noticed the same thing the other day. I started taking 40mg nolva ED and i got some letro.

**C_Bino** · 03-30-2006, 07:24 PM

I think this should help you out...These are two different threads where I talk about letro and nolva etc, and one is the way to use letro that reversed gyno for myself.

Letro Letro Letro. Wow a lot of threads about this in the last week or so. Ok I am hoping people will read this next time before asking about gyno reversal. This can stop a lot of these questions and hopefully help a lot of people.

In your scenario, you are already taking letro, so the thing to do is increase it:
Day 1: 1.0mg Letro
Day 2: 1.5mg Letro
Day 3: 2.0mg Letro
Day 4: 2.5mg Letro
You will remain at this dose until you notice the gyno subside. You will then remain at this dose for an extra 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. From there you can taper down in teh same fasion you went up in dosings until you get down to a maintanance phase of either .50mg or .25mg ED. And yes Run letro ED not EOD. Discontinue use of the letro when going into PCT, and beware that your sex drive will be non-existant.

For people who are running nolva currently on cycle (we will say 10mg ED for simplicity). The regimen will be as follows:
Day 1: .25mg Letro + 10mg Nolva
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro
You will continue at this dose as described above, and taper down again to .25mg or .50mg ED afterwards.

Ok, as it says in my sig. this is my personal experience, different thigns work for different people, everyone must understand that. Anyways here is how I look at it. When you start to develop gyno, you are past the itchy or puffy stage and you actually have a lump under your nipple there is NOTHING nolva can do. Nolva is a selective estrogen receptor modulator, so if you have developed gyno how can nolva possibly get rid of it? All it does is flood the receptors so no more estrogen can get in, it does no inhibit estrogen or destroy it. So yes you can up the nolva dosage to 40mg or 60mg ED, but that will only help to block the receptors to a greater degree so your gyno doesnt get worse, but will not help the lump subside.
Letro is the only drug I know of that has the ability to reverse a case of gyno. It is an AI (aromatise Inhibitor). This means is inhibits the production of estrogen in your body, some people (including myself) use this instead of nolva on cycle because it inhibits the estrogen and doesnt just merely flood the receptors. Letro is stronger than both arimidex and aromasin in terms of AI's. It will block 98+% of estrogen. With no estrogen there can be no estrogen or progestin related sides.
Now in terms of reversing your gyno you will want to run letro at a higher dose than people use as maintenance on cycle. The dose I have run to reverse gyno is 2.5mg ED, this took about a week to 10days to reverse until the lump was completely gone. You cant just get letro and start taking it at 2.5mg ED tho, at least I dont suggest it. You need to taper up by about .5mg ED from .25mg until you reach 2.5mg. Run it at that dose until the gyno disappears and then for an extra few days to be sure all traces are gone. Then you can taper back down to .25mg or .50mg and remain at this dose for the remainder of your cycle until you start PCT. Good luck.