Anti-inflammation pills with Gear?

**Boostz32** · 04-03-2006, 01:57 PM

Can I take Mobic with HGH, Prop, & Var. Mobic is a Nsaid anti-inflammation pill?

**big chuck** · 04-03-2006, 02:12 PM

ive never heard of anything bad or wring with anti inflammatories with gear.i take them myself but may i ask what do you need them for? i know i take mine for pain and swelling with injections

**big chuck** · 04-03-2006, 02:12 PM

ive never heard of anything bad or wring with anti inflammatories with gear.i take them myself but may i ask what do you need them for? i know i take mine for pain and swelling with injections

**Boostz32** · 04-03-2006, 02:30 PM

taking it for a werid injury In my shoulder the doctor actually named a few different muscles that where probly pulled but I personly never heard of the muscles. I believe he said th scaplula something like that. Anyway he gave me 30 days on Mobic.

**FullMoonHowlingWolf** · 04-03-2006, 02:32 PM

I would suggest not taking any anti inflammatory unless you have to because it inhibits protein synthesis. Not to mention it’s extra stress on your liver.

**farrebarre** · 04-03-2006, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Boostz32

taking it for a werid injury In my shoulder the doctor actually named a few different muscles that where probly pulled but I personly never heard of the muscles. I believe he said th scaplula something like that. Anyway he gave me 30 days on Mobic.

bro if i were you i would stop working out and letting the shoulder heal, i know exacly what injury you have, coz i have the same thing, and i just like you didnt stop working out and continued with my cycle, and now ive been out of the game for 10months, im still waiting for my shoulder to heal.

**stupidhippo** · 04-03-2006, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by FullMoonHowlingWolf

I would suggest not taking any anti inflammatory unless you have to because it inhibits protein synthesis. Not to mention it’s extra stress on your liver.

could you elaborate a lil more on your claims?

**Boostz32** · 04-03-2006, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by farrebarre

bro if i were you i would stop working out and letting the shoulder heal, i know exacly what injury you have, coz i have the same thing, and i just like you didnt stop working out and continued with my cycle, and now ive been out of the game for 10months, im still waiting for my shoulder to heal.

SO what muscle was injuryed on you?

**farrebarre** · 04-03-2006, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Boostz32

SO what muscle was injuryed on you?

i had an inflammation of the bicep tendon (from a rotator cuff injury i think), and my bicep/tricep/scapula/traps were all weakend(if thats the correct spelling). if i were you i would stretch, do rotator cuff excersises and just rest and stop using that arm.

**farrebarre** · 04-03-2006, 02:44 PM

im sure you have the same pain, feels like a needle or something on the front of ur shoulder.

**Boostz32** · 04-03-2006, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by farrebarre

i had an inflammation of the bicep tendon (from a rotator cuff injury i think), and my bicep/tricep/scapula/traps were all weakend(if thats the correct spelling). if i were you i would stretch, do rotator cuff excersises and just rest and stop using that arm.

The only pain I get is when I press chest or military but the pain is right below my delt on the side on my arm. Kinda top of the bi. the doc side I have no pain when moving it so it is not my rotatory cuff or bi tendinitis and my scapula is at my neck but I can't figure y he said that

**farrebarre** · 04-03-2006, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Boostz32

The only pain I get is when I press chest or military but the pain is right below my delt on the side on my arm. Kinda top of the bi. the doc side I have no pain when moving it so it is not my rotatory cuff or bi tendinitis and my scapula is at my neck but I can't figure y he said that

yeah ok, i had the EXACT same thing. At first it was nothing, i could do everything except for a slight pain when working chests. It got worse coz i didnt wanna end my cycle. Now i have bicep tendinitis (inflammation of the bicep tendon). He said all those muscles coz they all work together in holding ur shoulder/arm in place. You have two options, A) listen to me, coz ive been there and im still there and i injured myself in june/july its been about 10months and i have pain 24/7 and have trouble sleeping at night, i take anti inflammatory and it doesnt help just mask the pain for a couple of hours then its back B) workout and worsen the conditions and be out of the game for the next 1-2 years. Either way good luck

**Boostz32** · 04-03-2006, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by farrebarre

yeah ok, i had the EXACT same thing. At first it was nothing, i could do everything except for a slight pain when working chests. It got worse coz i didnt wanna end my cycle. Now i have bicep tendinitis (inflammation of the bicep tendon). He said all those muscles coz they all work together in holding ur shoulder/arm in place. You have two options, A) listen to me, coz ive been there and im still there and i injured myself in june/july B) workout and worsen the conditions and be out of the game for the next 1-2 years. Either way good luck

I plan on toning it down big time, stay away from all press, heavy weight and high reps (which inflame it) but I'm also on HGH for 3 weeks which heals shoulder tendons so hopefully it will heal them faster.

**farrebarre** · 04-03-2006, 03:03 PM

good idea, wish i was old enough to use hgh

**farrebarre** · 04-03-2006, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Boostz32

I plan on toning it down big time, stay away from all press, heavy weight and high reps (which inflame it) but I'm also on HGH for 3 weeks which heals shoulder tendons so hopefully it will heal them faster.

the rule of thumb is to avoid anything that makes the shoulder hurt, even the slightest pain

**Boostz32** · 04-03-2006, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by farrebarre

the rule of thumb is to avoid anything that makes the shoulder hurt, even the slightest pain

I acutally stopping SUper setting alot and I think it has been getting better. It sucks that I have to take longer breaks inbetween excersies in a cutting cycle but whatever it takes to heal.

**big chuck** · 04-03-2006, 04:20 PM

never heard of it preventing protein synthesis show me sum claims

**AnabolicAndre** · 04-03-2006, 04:30 PM

There are NO claims to it.

Logical science. The point of ou working out it to tear down and literally inflame the muscle group, and that in turn causes and increase in protein synethesis so it can heal itself. WHY would you want to take something that would prevent that inflamation??? Not saying it completly supresses protein synthesis, but supresses it to a degree. Im sure there are studies that show which are the most supressive.

For inflamation I just up my fish oils, they're a pretty good anti-inflamatory in themselves.

**FullMoonHowlingWolf** · 04-03-2006, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by AnabolicAndre

Logical science. The point of ou working out it to tear down and literally inflame the muscle group, and that in turn causes and increase in protein synethesis so it can heal itself. WHY would you want to take something that would prevent that inflamation??? Not saying it completly supresses protein synthesis, but supresses it to a degree. Im sure there are studies that show which are the most supressive.

Big chuck, there have been many studies done on this subject and if you search you'll find out. I was told about this years ago from a friend that's a bodybuilder and I looked it up to confirm. The study I read was from Berkley and it was very detailed and scientific. I was just giving my opinion to the question of using an anti-inflammatory with gear, which I suggest you shouldn't unless you have to. As AnabolicAndre is stating it is logical science. An anti-inflammatory stops the bodies normal repair process.

**Boostz32** · 04-03-2006, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by AnabolicAndre

There are NO claims to it.

Logical science. The point of ou working out it to tear down and literally inflame the muscle group, and that in turn causes and increase in protein synethesis so it can heal itself. WHY would you want to take something that would prevent that inflamation??? Not saying it completly supresses protein synthesis, but supresses it to a degree. Im sure there are studies that show which are the most supressive.

For inflamation I just up my fish oils, they're a pretty good anti-inflamatory in themselves.

I can't under stand why the anti inflammation would stop the healing process I mean they are the first thing proscribed by a doctor when an injury occurs maybe for pain? But I believe it has to heal better when not being inflammed. I see you point of view and when inflammed I believe the muscle is actually filled with blood you would think healing it fast?

**AnabolicAndre** · 04-03-2006, 08:49 PM

Ok when Something becomes inflamed your body produces prostaglandins, thats what causes the pain.

An anti-inflamatory signals the body to stop producing thes prostaglandins, so you dont hurt anymore.

Those Prostaglandins are site specific. So by training chest for example you causeing the release of prostaglandins and signals the body to induce its repair process through nutrients. IE, protein, Carbs, fats. If you stop these prostaglandings from being released (by taking an anti-infam.) you are interfearing with the body's natural healing process.
Thats as simple as I can put it.
Hope it makes sense

**stupidhippo** · 04-03-2006, 11:07 PM

do you have any source to back these claims up.. like a study to show the part of prostaglandins in muscle repair etc... Im interested..
to full moon:

you found out about the theory given by the BB.. can u reproduce that study or atleast go into more detail about it.

**brundle** · 04-03-2006, 11:52 PM

i just read this
prostaglandins and how anti imflammatory are bad for muscle repair
from http://www.nsaids.com/
it says-------
NSAIDs are administered with the intent to control acute inflammation and relieve pain. This is achieved by inhibiting the production of prostaglandin, a product of arachidonic acid via the cyclo-oxygenase pathway within the cell membrane. Following the acute inflammatory response, a number of prostaglandins are produced of which prostaglandin E2 (PGE2) is particularly catabolic to muscle and the net result is the loss of muscle protein and atrophy. On the other hand, another prostaglandin, E1, reduces inflammatory response and promotes muscle relaxation. In addition, yet another prostaglandin called F2 promotes the growth of muscle when this compound acts synergistically with the hormone insulin . When athletes take these NSAIDs, they inhibit all prostaglandin synthesis. As a result, NSAIDs control inflammation and decrease pain but the muscle is left in a non-regenerative phase.

another site says what prostaglandins do---------

Prostaglandins, which are produced in the body from arachidonic acid, are the core mediators of skeletal muscle growth. They are formed during intense exercise, and are responsible for controlling protein breakdown and synthesis rates, promoting vasodilation (increasing nutrient availability to damaged muscles), augmenting androgen receptor concentrations (allowing testosterone to be more active in local tissues), and amplifying IGF-1 signaling.

Prostaglandins are responsible for altering the rate of protein synthesis (supporting repair and growth), and working with nitric oxide to dilate the microcapillaries feeding the muscles (increasing blood flow, oxygen delivery, and glucose uptake).

The muscle cells are bombarded with prostaglandin signaling during each weight-training session, causing local cellular physiology to drastically shift in favor of muscle anabolism. The body responds to the training with much greater physiological ferocity, resulting in rapid gains of muscle size, strength, endurance, and power.

**GreenLantern12** · 04-04-2006, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by FullMoonHowlingWolf

I would suggest not taking any anti inflammatory unless you have to because it inhibits protein synthesis. Not to mention it’s extra stress on your liver.

I just figured this to be common sence. Although I was at a bar on time and some alcoholic told me that he uses Advil for anti-inflamatory purposes because it dosn't wreck your liver like the rest of the medicines out there. Not sure if that's true or not just some drunk guy's word, but you can also take the fish oil that was mentioned eariler

**FullMoonHowlingWolf** · 04-04-2006, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by GreenLantern12

I just figured this to be common sence. Although I was at a bar on time and some alcoholic told me that he uses Advil for anti-inflamatory purposes because it dosn't wreck your liver like the rest of the medicines out there. Not sure if that's true or not just some drunk guy's word, but you can also take the fish oil that was mentioned eariler

I always listen to drunk guys. LOL.

**AnabolicAndre** · 04-04-2006, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by stupidhippo

do you have any source to back these claims up.. like a study to show the part of prostaglandins in muscle repair etc... Im interested..
to full moon:

you found out about the theory given by the BB.. can u reproduce that study or atleast go into more detail about it.

Haa, yea my source is me, going into my senior ear of PRE-MED

**stupidhippo** · 04-05-2006, 04:23 AM

well still.. you can point me out into some material where I can find out more.. Im IN med school btw

Ofcourse the system in Europe a lil diffrent than what u guys have in the states.

**arpitbull2** · 04-05-2006, 12:56 PM

I injuried my shoulder, and will have a chronic shoulder injury the rest of my life. I tore the two tendons connecting the trap. to the clavicale. I also seperated the clavicle from the shoulder. I have bursitis and tendonitis.......all in my left shoulder..........the right feels like superman!lol
Anyway, I have taken Advil which is just ibuprofen(anti inflam.) I was prescribed several strong (anti inflam). None of them helped so I wouldn't even bother taking them. The best thing for a shoulder injury is patience. Wait until its healed because if you don't, you will mess it up more and only prolong your rehab. You need to do the rehab shoulder exercises with little or no weight............even if it feels light. It will gradually strenghthen everything. I was out for over 8 months. I got fat and lazy at first and then just decided to work legs, and do cardio. I turned into "the cardio kid" ........thats what my friends called me anyway. The way I see it is , If you can't get big..........then get ripped! Your shoulder will never be 100% but if you let it heal, then you can live with it and continue to lift weights.

**FullMoonHowlingWolf** · 04-12-2006, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by stupidhippo

well still.. you can point me out into some material where I can find out more.. Im IN med school btw

Ofcourse the system in Europe a lil diffrent than what u guys have in the states.

If you are in med school then why not ask some of your professors and you have acess to the internet, so do some searching.

**AverageJoetoo** · 04-27-2006, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by AnabolicAndre

Haa, yea my source is me, going into my senior ear of PRE-MED

Do you or someother MD's or Pre-Meds know of a good replacement for Voltaren (Diclofenac) 75mg it is a NSAID. I am 31 and my doctor has me on it for Spondalosis, Stenosis, and a herniated disk at the C-6 all from highschool football. The spondalosis and stenosis- one is bone spurrs and one is mineral type deposits/build up around the nerve roots. The doctor placed my on this med because of constant migraines. They tried naproxen but it had no effect. This is the only med that seems to control the pain. Any suggestions for a replacement non-nsaid, or some type of cortizone injection therapy?

**stupidhippo** · 04-27-2006, 12:23 PM

I think ur prolly stuck with nsaids. y u wanna look into sumin else? I understand if its because of other problems related to them but if its because u think u r gonna stop growing because of them then dont worry. U can get big while eating nsaids

I think u should consult a specialist (or more of them) to further assess ur situation..

**AnabolicAndre** · 04-27-2006, 12:32 PM

Honestly the only thing I could suggest is load up on vitamin C ask johan about it.

Vitamin C plays a real important role on collagen formation. Its either that or collagen injections, or cortisone that'd be your only other options.

**dazbo** · 04-27-2006, 01:08 PM

I was gonna mention exact same thing once id fininshed readin!

I have that exact shoulder problem and have had it for over 2yrs - it got to its worst last summer, had lots of time off etc and it got a lot better. It was at the stage of my bicep hurting that much I couldnt even pick my son up. Only just (The past few months) discovered what the problem is - torn AC ligament (Acromium-clavical joint) caused by over work due to injursy to the back of the shoulder and scapula. Basically the muscle that holds the scapula in place, is out of place now (Sits over an inch different to the right side) and the muscle is weak. SO when I exercise I need to try and make sure I pull that muscle in bringing the scapula back, which in turn takes pain of the AC joint. Its helping so far along with rotator cuff excerises and arm raises in front with light weights and keeping that muscle tightly in!

Gonna start the Vitamin C trick when I start my cycle on monday!