test alternative?

**swole25** · 04-04-2006, 02:45 PM

i know from research that 90% of user's reccommend cycles based off of some form of test. my question is, what are some alternative base compounds to run instead of test to mix it up a little? thanks fellas!

**ivrig** · 04-04-2006, 03:26 PM

you have to write much more about yourself and what you want to achieve!

**Liftnainez** · 04-04-2006, 03:33 PM

yea the question is vague.. an alternative to test?? Im not sure there really is a true alternative.. do you have to run test? no you dont.. is it recommended to incorporate test in cycles especially your first one? yes.. if you explain more in detail about what your goals are I think people would be able to help you out alot more..

**Swifto** · 04-04-2006, 03:40 PM

I'm not a believer in that testosterone MUST be run in EVERY cycle. There are a few combintaions of AS that dont require testosterone to be run IMO. Its not ideal, as testosterone is the main hormone used for mucle building/gains. But some members, on here, report good gains and recovery with some Non-Test cycles.

**ivrig** · 04-04-2006, 03:57 PM

i agree. i stay of test motsly , unless it`s for mass, because i bloat beyond right away. and i hate that moonface. depends what you want, i `m not looking for an arnold look, i wanna be cut,slim (slim to you yeah..=)and lean

**swole25** · 04-04-2006, 09:26 PM

i've run 2 cycles already, both containing test. first was test enan for 10 weeks with 4 weeks of dbol , and 2nd was test cyp/enan blend for 10 weeks along with 4 weeks of durabolin phen ending with 3 weeks of winny tabs. i was just wondering if test is a neccessary compound in cycles or if you should switch it up every once in a while. can't your body get used to using the same thing all the time and limit your gains? i'm going more for bulking right now, but try to stay somewhat lean, i know you can't cut and bulk at the same time, so pretty much bulking. i was gonna run some test enan, EQ, and fina next cycle but was just wondering what else you can base cycles off, not that i'll stop using test, just wondering, since i hardly see any cycles without it.

**hub** · 04-05-2006, 04:10 AM

swole im pretty much a newbie to this site and i dont expect anyone to take my words religiously but ive done several cycles and i will give you a little input on my experiences and maybe someone with somemore experience will chime in to correct me if im wrong. your first two cycles sound good, well hell better than mine for sure. anyway i say go for the tren when cutting with enough test to keep you hard if you know what i mean. i say stack test and dbol for big gains thats what i got from them. ohh yeah the only cycle i did with eq was pretty good mixed with test too. well i guess i cant really dis test cus in one form or anotherit got me where i needed to be.

**Testostack** · 04-05-2006, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I'm not a believer in that testosterone MUST be run in EVERY cycle. There are a few combintaions of AS that dont require testosterone to be run IMO. Its not ideal, as testosterone is the main hormone used for mucle building/gains. But some members, on here, report good gains and recovery with some Non-Test cycles.

i'll stick w/ that too....test is great but not a MUST..........recommended though!

**vitor** · 04-05-2006, 07:00 AM

Proviron should always be included in non-test cycles. Not yust for libido, but to feel normal as well.

If you are on a cycle, and natty-Test is very low, you want feel like yourself unless testosterone or Proviron is being used.

**guns626** · 04-05-2006, 07:29 AM

I agree with the above comments. I am a believer that test should be the base oif every cycle. Do I think that if you ran a Deca only cycle that yopu would not make some gains, of course not. I am just taliking about gains to sides to recovery ratio. I believe that anyone who puts together compounds should consider this: Gains/Sides/Recovery. Just becuase you will make gains does not mean that it is the best route to take. my .02

**ivrig** · 04-05-2006, 07:58 AM

if you take a larger amount of tren , and proviron on top of that, you might get a little grumpy. mood swings because of the high androgenic content..

**Testostack** · 04-05-2006, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by ivrig

if you take a larger amount of tren, and proviron on top of that, you might get a little grumpy. mood swings because of the high androgenic content..

Grumpy, huh? i didn't notice

**swole25** · 04-05-2006, 09:48 PM

test makes me pretty moody already. i like test, just wondering what my options are. thanks for the input guys. noone answered my question about your body getting used to the test every cycle and limiting gains. someone told me this and i assumed it's probrably a rumor. confirm?

**MasterShake** · 04-05-2006, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by swole25

test makes me pretty moody already. i like test, just wondering what my options are. thanks for the input guys. noone answered my question about your body getting used to the test every cycle and limiting gains. someone told me this and i assumed it's probrably a rumor. confirm?

Test is a hormone. I dont think the body builds a "resistance" to high testosterone levels.

**swole25** · 04-06-2006, 07:16 PM

thanks, just confirming what i thought.

**goose** · 04-07-2006, 11:55 AM

You can still get 1-AD in the UK,I have never used it as I use test.It would be a good alternative to test.It is a precursor to testosterone , with no estrogen conversion. This well absorbed prohormone works on a different pathway than other prohormones, converting to 1-Testosterone (7 times as anabolic as testosterone).