Not a complete newb

[samwill226]

Ok guys I have never used, but I have been researching a lot of posts and articles on the subject. I am in a unique situation. I have been researching steroids for about a year now, and I already know that a cycle without test is not a cycle, I also am aware that an all oral cycle is not smart. But I have a situation that I need some advice on.

I work in a family business I want to try a cycle, but am afraid that if I do my gains over two months will be really obvious, and they would be. I am looking at gradual gains, like maybe 5 to 8 pounds a cycle that are keepable. I don't want to be noticed right away, but maybe someone to say "Hey I didn't notice how big you were getting!" instead of "How did you get that big so fast?".

Anyway I know this is really a big no no (the reason for this post), but I was advised by a few that maybe just Winny injections and a good diet would probably be good for me over a few month period for modest gains that are keepable and might help with some weight loss. But I have read many posts that frown on this as an only cycle. I also am currently cutting weight down, I could stand to lose about 20 more. Which I am progressing towards on my diet. I have tried Clen, but the effects on the heart scared me a little.

I work out with 2 to 3 sets of high intensity (no, not completely HIT), about 3 times a week. I am 5'10 and my waist at its smallest is about a 36 or 38, and my frame is thick naturally. For instance I look 190 when I'm 220. My body holds weight very oddly, I have weighed 280 and people who know me would tell you I never weighed that much. I have been working hard for a year in June. Any way I know you guys like backgrounds so there is mine.

I thought maybe Test E at a dose of like 250 a week or less might do what I want, but I also understand the gains may leave after cycle. I am also concerned of what I understand to be bad cholesterol levels with Winny. Anyway like I said I'm not a complete newb and I have paid attention to what you guys say, but with the desire to keep gains modest but solid I am not sure if the advice I have gotten makes sense, or if it's even possible. whats the opinion on it friends?



Thanks a lot!

Sam

[Pinnacle]

If you never ran a cycle ..you are a newbie..sorry to break the news to you.you can read all you want but experience is what makes you not reading a book.That's wehy this board is very dangerous.you have guys that never ran certain drugs giving advice.Not good.

Anyway..250 mgs weekly test first cycle will yield minimal results at best.do yourself a big favor and man up and run 500 mgs or just sit on the side lines and watch cause this game isn't for you.

~Pinnacle~

[samwill226]

I understand, I probably phrased things incorrectly, thats why I said I wasn't a COMPLETE newb, indicating I still was in a lot of areas, including experience. But reading up is a big part of this process, a lot of people just post without realizing they could have found it just by reading. My point was I understand what a good cycle is, but I am in a situation where I don't desire to gain 15 or 25 pounds of mass as it would be uncomfortable around people who would know what was going on by looking at me. I was just looking for opinions on modest gains. I would LOVE to hit a cycle and put on 15 or 20 pounds, but I just can't go that big right now. Maybe what I am asking isn't possible and thats fair, but this is part of the process of finding out, if it is, by asking you guys. Certainly not everyone wants to be the biggest guy in the gym.

[samwill226]

Hey Pinnacle, or anyone. How much would you gain on 400 or 500 Mg of Test E/ per week? Just a guess. Also am I right to assume that the gains would be hard to keep on Test alone?

[shadyadam]

Hey Pinnacle, or anyone. How much would you gain on 400 or 500 Mg of Test E/ per week? Just a guess. Also am I right to assume that the gains would be hard to keep on Test alone?

This all depends on diet and work ethic in the gym...you could run the cycle for 8 weeks as oppose to 10-12 weeks.

[longhorn814]

gains are entirely dependant on diet, training, and rest, there is no way to say you will gain "x" number of lbs on any given cycle..besides if you just want 5 lbs you can easily do that just by upping your calories, no need for gear

[Swifto]

There are too many variables to predict what/how much of your gains you'll attain.

Test 500mg/wk for 10-12 weeks is an excellent choice. Inject 2x per week and have an anti-e on hand if gyno or estrogen relates sides arise.

[AllNaTtY06]

you're not trying to gain weight i thought? aren't you trying to lose weight? if so, then you don't even need gear....

[samwill226]

Thanks guys.

AllNaTty I'm on a diet right now, meaning I'm trying to drop 20 lbs all together. I was looking at options once I get close to this goal. I don't want a drastic muscle gain due to my situation working everyday around family, thats why I wanted to put together a plan for a more gradual gain.

To the others, when I was asking it was purely speculation only. I am more or less looking for 10 pounds at the most of muscle on a certain cycle instead of 20 to 30. I think my body type would grow faster than I am willing to take on in my situation, which is why dose/diet would be considered. Some say 250would do nothing really, others say 500 would make me really grow, so I was just wondering, where the middle was. Maybe what I'm learning is there isn't one.

Really the question about Test E 500mg was more or less is this a modest dose or is that a fairly heavy dose?


Thanks!

[restless1]

to me it seems you just want to half-ass do this........youre not ready........wait till you can do it right and not have to worry about it being noticable

[samwill226]

Thanks for the help guys.