Panic disorder-

[Mogamedogz]

So I have done all my cycle research and have pretty much all but decided to run my first cycle this summer. I plan to go with a basic 500mg Test/300mg Decca (nolva/clomid) pct.

My only reservation now, is the fact that I suffer from pretty severe Anxiety attacks. My heart races uncontrollably (feel like im going to die) sort of thing. My doc says that it can not do any physical damage to me, and that it is all in my head (Hereditary). I take Paxil 25mg and Xanax (about 2mg ed) which seem to control the attacks from occurring.

My question is should I be worried about creating a possible REAL heart attack, from the combination of the Cycle, and the anxiety?? I mean I know it is a mental thing... but the fact remains that my heart IS really racing (even if it is my mind making it race).

I have known other people who have suffered from this disorder and have used gear in combination with paxil and/ Xanax, and have never had any problems.

Just wondering if any of you have ever faced this sort of a challenge, and if so, what advice can you give??

Thanks-

[lucabratzi]

hows ur blood pressure...

[Mogamedogz]

hows ur blood pressure...

Completely normal. (at every Dr. Appointment that I go to). Not sure what it is while the attack is actually occuring though.

[lucabratzi]

i wouldnt worry about it to be honest....just keep an eye on ur bp...

[Hellmaskbanned]

I wouldn't get on a cycle. Your going to be pysching yourself out the entire cycle causing more panic attacks. Your going to be constintly thinking about this that and that about what can happen is your heart failing, am I having a heart attack etc. Save yourself the time,$ and healthy well being and not do it.

[2bshredded]

Doesn't Test give you a sense of wellbeing, I would think it would only help the problem but I'm sure not qualified to say for sure.

[twiztidjuggalo74]

test makes me feel better and i have the same problems as you accept im on 2mg of klonopin a day so im guessin my case is more severe and im not taking the klonopin right now the test has me feeling great

[Mogamedogz]

I wouldn't get on a cycle. Your going to be pysching yourself out the entire cycle causing more panic attacks. Your going to be constintly thinking about this that and that about what can happen is your heart failing, am I having a heart attack etc. Save yourself the time,$ and healthy well being and not do it.

I can deal with the worrying (via my prescription meds). Im just wondering if the gear trigger a REAL heart attack, if I were to suffer an anxiety attack.

[Mogamedogz]

test makes me feel better and i have the same problems as you accept im on 2mg of klonopin a day so im guessin my case is more severe and im not taking the klonopin right now the test has me feeling great

What form of test do you run, if you dont mind me asking.

[Hellmaskbanned]

I can deal with the worrying (via my prescription meds). Im just wondering if the gear trigger a REAL heart attack, if I were to suffer an anxiety attack.

Goodluck then. I'm just saying if you work yourself up mentally causing panic attacks over nothin, just imagine how you will react when your injecting a foreign substance in your body that can potentially be dangerous and have side effects. If you control your mind , and not get worked up then great, but like I said if your getting worked up alot over nothin , imagine when you have somethen to think about. Your choice do whatever you think is best, I just gave my opinion on the matter.

[Mogamedogz]

Goodluck then. I'm just saying if you work yourself up mentally causing panic attacks over nothin, just imagine how you will react when your injecting a foreign substance in your body that can potentially be dangerous and have side effects. If you control your mind , and not get worked up then great, but like I said if your getting worked up alot over nothin , imagine when you have somethen to think about. Your choice do whatever you think is best, I just gave my opinion on the matter.

I totally understand what your saying. And appriciate your input. In the end, that very well may be the determining factor for me.

[MMA]

So I have done all my cycle research and have pretty much all but decided to run my first cycle this summer. I plan to go with a basic 500mg Test/300mg Decca (nolva/clomid) pct.

My only reservation now, is the fact that I suffer from pretty severe Anxiety attacks. My heart races uncontrollably (feel like im going to die) sort of thing. My doc says that it can not do any physical damage to me, and that it is all in my head (Hereditary). I take Paxil 25mg and Xanax (about 2mg ed) which seem to control the attacks from occurring.

My question is should I be worried about creating a possible REAL heart attack, from the combination of the Cycle, and the anxiety?? I mean I know it is a mental thing... but the fact remains that my heart IS really racing (even if it is my mind making it race).

I have known other people who have suffered from this disorder and have used gear in combination with paxil and/ Xanax, and have never had any problems.

Just wondering if any of you have ever faced this sort of a challenge, and if so, what advice can you give??

Thanks-

you're setting yourself up for a lot more anxiety. but if your goals are that important to you, go for it.

BTW - i can almost guarantee that your scrip for psych meds came from your regular doctor as opposed to a specialist. there is more modern stuff with much easier sides than paxil and xanax. Paxil will annhilate your sex drive worse than anything you've ever dealt with. you'll feel like a girl scout. withdrawl symptoms that have been compared negatively with heroin. xanax is also nastily addictive, and they could have started you with something much gentler and seen if it worked, like ativan.

lexapro has MUCH easier sides than paxil, and is the best SSRI for straight up anxiey.

try getting a good specialist. also do some research on crazymeds.org and remedyfind.com and find out what these very poweful drugs really do to you.

[Hellmaskbanned]

I totally understand what your saying. And appriciate your input. In the end, that very well may be the determining factor for me.

Life is about being happy not big. Well for some LOL. If being on a cycle will make you happy then do it bro. If you think it will just be a total nightmare when on cycle don't do it. Just think about the pro's and cons of each side and you should no which is best for YOU.

[Mogamedogz]

you're setting yourself up for a lot more anxiety. but if your goals are that important to you, go for it.

BTW - i can almost guarantee that your scrip for psych meds came from your regular doctor as opposed to a specialist. there is more modern stuff with much easier sides than paxil and xanax. Paxil will annhilate your sex drive worse than anything you've ever dealt with. you'll feel like a girl scout. withdrawl symptoms that have been compared negatively with heroin. xanax is also nastily addictive, and they could have started you with something much gentler and seen if it worked, like ativan.

lexapro has MUCH easier sides than paxil, and is the best SSRI for straight up anxiey.

try getting a good specialist. also do some research on crazymeds.org and remedyfind.com and find out what these very poweful drugs really do to you.

Yeah it was my MD. Just havent had the time to go to a specialist. Plus the co-pays are ridiculous with my coverage. I HATE taking the Xanax.. I feel like a plucking junkie. I know I am addicted to it at this point, but at the same time I legitimately need it, in order to surprise the Panic attacks. The Paxil, im not even sure if it works... Without the Xanax, it does absolutely nothing for me (I dont think). It does kill my sex drive though. I have no problem getting it up...but the drive isnt there. Sort of like what M1t use to do to me.

I want to run the cycle because its either that or m1t/1ad (which I have done the last couple of summers). Im just sick of popping pills which are doing the same (if not more) amount of damage to my liver as real gear, with less results. I eat clean, I train hard, I dont drink, smoke, etc. I am by no means a newbie looking to get big quick. I am 26 and have been working out consistently for about 6yrs now. So personally, I feel like I have reached my natural plateau. Its not cutting it for me. For all the time and effort I put into dieting and training, I NEED a bigger pay-off. For me, it seems like the only way that this will be possible, is through science. But the Panic attacks and the amount (harshness) of the prescribed meds that I take, do concern me a bit. I just figured I would post here, because I cant possibly be the only person who has faced this dilemma... right??

[D7M]

I'm gonna have to agree with hellmask on this one. i'd be cautious of running a cycle, effecting your hormone levels with anxiety issues

[MMA]

do some research, see a specialist, get your other meds straightened out, then cycle to become a monster. but your health comes first.

[justtrnd40]

Do a search on panic attacks reported from members while on AS. Some forms of AS it seems can cause panic attacks and anxiety. I know I've read alot of post from guys that don't normally have anxiety issues and start a cycle and a few weeks in they freak out and have problems. IMO since you already have a problem with panic attacks anything that affects your hormone balance would not be a good idea. The mind is a very powerful thing. You can use it to help control your panic attacks but you can also think things are alot worse than they are. You have been offered some good advice so far. Get to a specialist and see if you can get your attacks under control without the drugs, it can be done. But honestly I wouldn't mix the xanax with AS.

[Expat]

you're setting yourself up for a lot more anxiety. but if your goals are that important to you, go for it.

BTW - i can almost guarantee that your scrip for psych meds came from your regular doctor as opposed to a specialist. there is more modern stuff with much easier sides than paxil and xanax. Paxil will annhilate your sex drive worse than anything you've ever dealt with. you'll feel like a girl scout. withdrawl symptoms that have been compared negatively with heroin. xanax is also nastily addictive, and they could have started you with something much gentler and seen if it worked, like ativan.

lexapro has MUCH easier sides than paxil, and is the best SSRI for straight up anxiey.

try getting a good specialist. also do some research on crazymeds.org and remedyfind.com and find out what these very poweful drugs really do to you.

I can say this as I had Panic disorder/simple clinical depression for 15 years, and yes it was inherited. I also became addicted to Xanax (went cold turkey and it was ugly) I tried EVERYTHING on the market available and nothing worked><This medication changed my life. And yes I am passionate about it, unless you have dealt with panic issues you would not begin to understand that it can ruin your personal life/professional life. I was on a 6 week therapy (and that is all you should need if it is simple clinical depression/anxiety). I agree on you NEED to see a specialist, they understand. The run of the mill ant-depressants up until the mid 90’s addressed one neurotransmitter only (serotonin). I have turned on numerous people to this medication and saw a wonderful transformation. You also MUST NOT drink alcohol while on any anti-depressant as it will neutralize the meds and you will not benefit. And, I advise that you take a bit of a break before you go back to drinking just to be on the safe side. I have also discovered Nootropics, and they rock! I won’t get into that unless someone is interested. I hope this helps you and if there is anything I can do to cheer you on, please feel free to pm me><As far as crazymeds, I don't put a lot of faith into them as they do way to many medications, and who knows the cause and effect and let's do one thing at a time and give it time to see what long term benefits are.

some info below, and it is right on.

Indications: Effexor XR is indicated for the treatment of depression. Effexor is also prescribed to relieve abnormal anxiety (generalized anxiety disorder and social anxiety disorder).

Effexor XR, venlafaxine HCl, an antidepressant.

Generic Name: venlafaxine
Company: Wyeth Pharmaceuticals
Web Site: http://www.effexorxr.com/
Country: USA


Description: Chemically unrelated to tricyclic, tetracyclic, or other available antidepressant agents. Effexor tablets contain 25, 37.5, 50, 75, or 100 mg venlafaxine. Effexor XR capsules contain either 37.5, 75, or 150 mg venlafaxine.



How does Efexxor differ from other antidepressants?
Efexxor seems to have the relative freedom from side-effects associated with the SSRIs [fluoxetine (Prozac), sertraline (Zoloft), paroxetine (Paxil), and fluvoxamine (Luvox)] and the impact on both serotonin and norepinephrine associated with the tricyclic antidepressants [amitriptyline (Elavil), imipramine (Tofranil), etc.]. It is hypothesized that the action of the Efexxor molecule upon both serotonin and norepinephrine will cause Efexxor to be a successful antidepressant for some people who have not responded to treatment with SSRIs.



Does Efexxor interact with other medications?
Lithium - No interaction.
Diazepam (Valium) - No interaction.
Cimetidine (Tagamet) - Slight increase in blood level of venlafaxine's active metabolite. Not of clinical significance.
Fluoxetine (Prozac) - Significant increase in the concentration of Efexxor and its active metabolite. Potential for increased side-effects.
Does Efexxor interact with alcohol?
Although Efexxor has not been found to increase the impairment of cognitive or motor skills caused by alcohol, the manufacturer warns against drinking while taking Efexxor.

[Expat]

do some research, see a specialist, get your other meds straightened out, then cycle to become a monster. but your health comes first.

CAN"T AGREE MORE!!! STOP and Get your mental health together FIRST, and believe me when I say, having your coping skills will change your whole outlook on life!!

[Mogamedogz]

Thank you all for your input. I have considered seeing a specialist, and have also been taking steps to learn how to control the anxiety through my own research. (The internet is a wonderful thing! No? lol-)

Anyway, still looking for more folks (if your out there) to chime in, who have had first hand experience with gear and hereditary panic attacks.

Like I said before. I have used Prohormones in the past (M1t, Andro, etc.) without any problems. Then again my attacks were less frequent in the past, and I was not on Xanax and Paxil. (especially at such high dosages).

I should also mention that in my early 20's.. (21-24) I used quite a bit of MDMA (ecstasy). I that it may have had a direct effect (coupled with my pre-disposition) on the severity of my anxiety today. So that injects another problem to the situation. Do I tell the specialist about the MDMA use?? There really has not been enough studies done on it, for any professional to use that sort of information in a attempt to help me get a handle on my disorder. IMO, all that it does is give the doc another thing to point to, as being the cause (its the easy answer).

However, it has been a sneaking suspicion that is always in the back of my mind. Could I be suffering the consequences now, of all the partying that I did?? Who knows??

(btw- I used MDMA strictly as a recreational drug. I eventually grew out of that phase, and do not Drink, smoke, or do any drugs (outside of what I am prescribed, and I HATE taking it.)

[MMA]

some good info by expat, but i would suggest effexor only be used as a last resort. it's a powerful drug that can pull you of the worst depression in the world but the withdrawl is so unbelievably horrible, it frequently becomes a lifetime commitment. some of these psych meds are MUCH scarier than AS.

i've noticed that heavy use of estrogen blockers tends to aggravate my anxiety. so does EQ (which has a nasty effect on the GABA receptor). dbol and test tended to be soothing.

but you're much better off getting medicated and straightened professionally before complicating your life. anxiety is a progressive disease, and can keep on reducing your functionality (which increases your anxiety which decreases your functionality etc.) until you can't even leave your house without a serious panic attack.

[Mogamedogz]

Thanks again bro. And I definitely understand the dangers and (misery) that come along with Panic Disorder. I also however feel like I have come a long way in helping to treat the problem myself. Eventually I will seek the help of a specialist to find out which med (if any) will be best suited for me.

However, I am still considering doing a a cycle (so long as I can be sure that the disorder will not put me at anymore risk (physically) then the next AS user).

What I get from what your saying above, is that a Basic test/Dbol cycle may be a better fit for me, then a test/Decca cycle would. Would you say thats a fair statement? (Considering I were going to run a cycle).

[justtrnd40]

some good info by expat, but i would suggest effexor only be used as a last resort. it's a powerful drug that can pull you of the worst depression in the world but the withdrawl is so unbelievably horrible, it frequently becomes a lifetime commitment. some of these psych meds are MUCH scarier than AS.

i've noticed that heavy use of estrogen blockers tends to aggravate my anxiety. so does EQ (which has a nasty effect on the GABA receptor). dbol and test tended to be soothing.

but you're much better off getting medicated and straightened professionally before complicating your life. anxiety is a progressive disease, and can keep on reducing your functionality (which increases your anxiety which decreases your functionality etc.) until you can't even leave your house without a serious panic attack.

Excellent point. I have a co-worker that went through effexor withdrawl and he said it was hell on earth. He lost about 25 lbs. It did work great for him for a couple of years and they it just wasn't working anymore and when he went to a different anti-d he had terrible problems.

[justtrnd40]

Thanks again bro. And I definitely understand the dangers and (misery) that come along with Panic Disorder. I also however feel like I have come a long way in helping to treat the problem myself. Eventually I will seek the help of a specialist to find out which med (if any) will be best suited for me.

However, I am still considering doing a a cycle (so long as I can be sure that the disorder will not put me at anymore risk (physically) then the next AS user).

What I get from what your saying above, is that a Basic test/Dbol cycle may be a better fit for me, then a test/Decca cycle would. Would you say thats a fair statement? (Considering I were going to run a cycle).

If your determined to run a cycle why not just run test-e or cyp. At least keep it to 1 compound.

[Mogamedogz]

Good point. I may elect just to run a form of test by itself. However, because of my extensive use of Pro Hormones in the past (I know its not the same, but it is similar), I dont beleive I would yeild "significant" results from a test only cycle. (similar to when I tried to run a M1t Only cycle in the past). For me, if im going to do it, it will have to be worth it.

[justtrnd40]

Well what ever you decide you have recieved alot of good info from your post. Alot of good people here. I really hope you get your panic and anxiety under control, I know that sucks. Physical pain can be dealt with but when something starts affecting your mind it can really affect your overall health. Good luck with everything and keep us posted on how its going for you.

[Mogamedogz]

Appriciate the words of encourgement. The advice that I get from this forum (not only in this thread) is great. It is a tremendous resource to me, and im sure many others.

If I do decide to cycle something. I will definitely post my Cycle information/progress/experiences so others (maybe having the same sort of problems) can benifit from it.

[thegodfather]

I have a lot of input on this as well. What MMA said, was absolutely, 100% right on. I was diagnosed with panic attacks/anxiety in the 10th grade. Theres a huge history of it in my family. My family doctor put me on Paxil 10mg/ED. It brought the panic attacks to an abbrupt hault I will admit. However, it completely changed every aspect of my personality while I was on it. I did not feel like myself, I lost interest and joy in things I previously liked doing, I had absolutely no sex drive and could not even get it up, over all I felt like a ****ing zombie. I was on this drug for a couple of months until I finally just decided to stop the shit cold turkey, I could not stand what it was doing to me. After I came off of it, I began to get my emotions back, although I have to admit it took me about 6 months before I actually felt 'normal again.' Its been many years since I was on this, and just recently I'm starting to get reoccuranes of panic attacks.

To be honest, I ran a cycle of Test Enanthate last summer, which I believe contributed to my condition. It was what initially started to trigger some of my panic attacks. It caused me to end my cycle early. Since then, I have had infrequent panic attacks. I'm now seeing a psychologist (therapy), and am soon going to see a psychiatrist to see about what types of medicine will work best for me.

I do not believe that people need to be on these medications for prolonged periods of time. I was fine for YEARS after my short run in with Paxil. Its my personal opinion that you only be on these medications short periods of time unless you suffer from an extreme condition. Xanax is a horrible drug, I take Ativan OCCASIONALLY, but only for what I feel are really severe attacks.

My advice to you, is the same advice Im currently giving to myself. See your psychiatrist and get an appropriate treatment plan in place for your anxiety BEFORE cycling, as adding HORMONES may alter your condition either negatively or positively, but at least you will have a line of defense against your anxiety.

[mariusvamp666]

i have anxiety disorders... if i use only testosterone .... volia!!! the simptoms dissapear!! is the best ansiolitic for me!!!

[Expat]

I have a lot of input on this as well. What MMA said, was absolutely, 100% right on. I was diagnosed with panic attacks/anxiety in the 10th grade. Theres a huge history of it in my family. My family doctor put me on Paxil 10mg/ED. It brought the panic attacks to an abbrupt hault I will admit. However, it completely changed every aspect of my personality while I was on it. I did not feel like myself, I lost interest and joy in things I previously liked doing, I had absolutely no sex drive and could not even get it up, over all I felt like a ****ing zombie. I was on this drug for a couple of months until I finally just decided to stop the shit cold turkey, I could not stand what it was doing to me. After I came off of it, I began to get my emotions back, although I have to admit it took me about 6 months before I actually felt 'normal again.' Its been many years since I was on this, and just recently I'm starting to get reoccuranes of panic attacks.

To be honest, I ran a cycle of Test Enanthate last summer, which I believe contributed to my condition. It was what initially started to trigger some of my panic attacks. It caused me to end my cycle early. Since then, I have had infrequent panic attacks. I'm now seeing a psychologist (therapy), and am soon going to see a psychiatrist to see about what types of medicine will work best for me.

I do not believe that people need to be on these medications for prolonged periods of time. I was fine for YEARS after my short run in with Paxil. Its my personal opinion that you only be on these medications short periods of time unless you suffer from an extreme condition. Xanax is a horrible drug, I take Ativan OCCASIONALLY, but only for what I feel are really severe attacks.

My advice to you, is the same advice Im currently giving to myself. See your psychiatrist and get an appropriate treatment plan in place for your anxiety BEFORE cycling, as adding HORMONES may alter your condition either negatively or positively, but at least you will have a line of defense against your anxiety.

I agree that you should NOT be on these meds for a prolonged period, and I will admit the sides to the Effexor were not pleasant for me. There again,the boyfreind I had at the time was in depression and took the Effexor and experienced none of the negative sides. But, in my mind it was well worth the relative short time (6 week therapy) of going thru some changes to feel 'normal'. When you read up on the medications, it gives you percentages on side effects you may experience. I had a little spot on my livingroom floor (facing the wall) that I curled up and slept and surrounded myself with things of comfort like a wall to try and be calm.
I would go thru those side effects from hell ALL OVER again, to be where I am today than to still be where I was in the depression/anxiety hole.
sometimes you have to do things that are not pleasant to feel better, and I am sorry that you had a bad experience. Seriously consider checking out Nootropics, Deprenyl in particular. (liquid form only and there is more than one) .If you would like more info, pm me. There is only one brand I trust and don't want to break any rules mentioning it. I take this and as I mentioned in the above post, and I did extensive research before starting it.

And I will probably always take it.

(I must mention you can not take Deprenyl and anti-depressants at the same time)

[ascendant]

alright, to start here, anxiety attacks are NOT hereditary. you can be more susceptible because of your persona which can more or less be considered a part of your genetics, but they are not something you are born with and live with for your entire life. i know because i used to have them and i overcame them, WITHOUT DRUGS.

drugs like paxil, zoloft, and any and all other anti-anxiety medications only mask the symptoms. they do not "cure" anxiety attacks, and the proof is when many people come off them, they go right back to having anxiety attacks again. i personally discourage people from using prescriptions to elminiate symptoms, because it just covers up an underlying issue and doesn't let the person actually deal with it. this is why people typically are recommended to a psychiatrist when diagnosed with anxiety/panic disorder. the medication is to alleviate the symptoms, and the psychologist is to help you realize your triggers and how to control them.

remember, there are no drugs that cure you. only your body can heal itself, and there is things you can consume to help it do so, but pharmaceuticals are not one of them. if the pharmaceutical industry made a cure, they'd be putting themselves out of a job. now why would they do that? they only make things that mask symptoms, but they do not cure anything. if you disagree, show me one thing that you can take which is a pharmaceutical that "cures" anything?

as far as how a cycle will affect it, though nothing actually causes anxiety attacks other than your own psyche, cetain things can make you more succeptible to them. a cycle will make you more succeptible because it does stimulate certain functions in your body and that extra stimulus can increase your bodies anxiety levels. this is one of the reasons some people get insomnia while on a cycle.

my suggestion would be to research into anxiety attacks on the web, in books, etc, learn all you can about them, then learn what triggers them for you, and learn how to overcome it. it's all about willpower. you can consciously control your anxiety attacks. i know because i dealt with them for about 8 months or so during a very stressful part of my life and after i learned how to control it, i haven't had any since, and i used no medication and no psychiatrists. i tried both methods and i knew they just weren't the solution for me. you need to come off the medication and face it until you learn to control it. it will make you stronger and you'll learn a lot of how your mind works by doing so too. do more research first though before coming off it, saying as without doing so, you may make things worse.

i wish you luck and hope you take my suggestion. if you have any other questions about anxiety/panic disorder, feel free to pm me, as i have studied very extensively about them and am willing to assist you on anything else you'd like to know about them. but please for your own sake, DO NOT take medications which will ONLY mask the symptoms.

[PMoneyAU]

I have anxiety problems and I have been taking Amitriptylin 20mg a day. The side effects are low and much safer than xanax. You can try and heal yourself but you might find yourself in months of therapy. Sometimes anxiety is not triggered by just certain things in your life, so medicine is the only alternative.

[MMA]

alright, to start here, anxiety attacks are NOT hereditary. you can be more susceptible because of your persona which can more or less be considered a part of your genetics, but they are not something you are born with and live with for your entire life. i know because i used to have them and i overcame them, WITHOUT DRUGS.

drugs like paxil, zoloft, and any and all other anti-anxiety medications only mask the symptoms. they do not "cure" anxiety attacks, and the proof is when many people come off them, they go right back to having anxiety attacks again. i personally discourage people from using prescriptions to elminiate symptoms, because it just covers up an underlying issue and doesn't let the person actually deal with it. this is why people typically are recommended to a psychiatrist when diagnosed with anxiety/panic disorder. the medication is to alleviate the symptoms, and the psychologist is to help you realize your triggers and how to control them.

remember, there are no drugs that cure you. only your body can heal itself, and there is things you can consume to help it do so, but pharmaceuticals are not one of them. if the pharmaceutical industry made a cure, they'd be putting themselves out of a job. now why would they do that? they only make things that mask symptoms, but they do not cure anything. if you disagree, show me one thing that you can take which is a pharmaceutical that "cures" anything?

as far as how a cycle will affect it, though nothing actually causes anxiety attacks other than your own psyche, cetain things can make you more succeptible to them. a cycle will make you more succeptible because it does stimulate certain functions in your body and that extra stimulus can increase your bodies anxiety levels. this is one of the reasons some people get insomnia while on a cycle.

my suggestion would be to research into anxiety attacks on the web, in books, etc, learn all you can about them, then learn what triggers them for you, and learn how to overcome it. it's all about willpower. you can consciously control your anxiety attacks. i know because i dealt with them for about 8 months or so during a very stressful part of my life and after i learned how to control it, i haven't had any since, and i used no medication and no psychiatrists. i tried both methods and i knew they just weren't the solution for me. you need to come off the medication and face it until you learn to control it. it will make you stronger and you'll learn a lot of how your mind works by doing so too. do more research first though before coming off it, saying as without doing so, you may make things worse.

i wish you luck and hope you take my suggestion. if you have any other questions about anxiety/panic disorder, feel free to pm me, as i have studied very extensively about them and am willing to assist you on anything else you'd like to know about them. but please for your own sake, DO NOT take medications which will ONLY mask the symptoms.

i have to respectfully disagree. although therapy has its place and SOME people can overcome anxiety/depression without medication, this does not mean EVERYBODY can do the same. the best metaphor is a cast - some leg injuries you can walk off. but others are so severe, you'll need the stabilizing influence of the cast to let the healing process begin.

[MMA]

Thanks again bro. And I definitely understand the dangers and (misery) that come along with Panic Disorder. I also however feel like I have come a long way in helping to treat the problem myself. Eventually I will seek the help of a specialist to find out which med (if any) will be best suited for me.

However, I am still considering doing a a cycle (so long as I can be sure that the disorder will not put me at anymore risk (physically) then the next AS user).

What I get from what your saying above, is that a Basic test/Dbol cycle may be a better fit for me, then a test/Decca cycle would. Would you say thats a fair statement? (Considering I were going to run a cycle).

if you're determined to do it, go deca /dbol /test, a proven stack for making monsters, and one with a lot of positive psychological effects from the test and dbol. use anti - Es, but avoid femara, as ****ing with your estrogen levels too much (either way) can f*ck you up emotionally.

i have anxiety isssues, and i've cycled (and suffered) with anxiety. much easier going in with a clear head, but i had a rigorous competition schedule that made a lot of these choices for me.

[Lavinco]

test makes me feel better and i have the same problems as you accept im on 2mg of klonopin a day so im guessin my case is more severe and im not taking the klonopin right now the test has me feeling great

I take klonapin at doses of .5 mg a day but not for anxiety. I take it for a sweating problem I have when I eat.


But anyways Mogamedogz, you remind me of myself awhile back when I was totally controlled by fear.

I always thought I was going to die of a heart attact, constantly checking my heart rate until I would finally talk myself into a panic attack which then made me believe more so that I was going to die.

I was this way for about 7 months from a bad dose of laced maryjane.

If you want sound advice then I suggest that you first believe in God and then stop checking your heart rate all together. You are going to live a long time wether you worry all the time or not so drop the worrying and enjoy life.

Try not to become dependant on those meds.

Until you get you head where it needs to be bro, DON'T TAKE GEAR!

You could really scare yourself to death if you start gear right now. I'm kidding about the death part

[ascendant]

i have to respectfully disagree. although therapy has its place and SOME people can overcome anxiety/depression without medication, this does not mean EVERYBODY can do the same. the best metaphor is a cast - some leg injuries you can walk off. but others are so severe, you'll need the stabilizing influence of the cast to let the healing process begin.

i understand your reasoning here, and i agree that not everyone can overcome their anxiety as easy as i make it out to be, particularly those in certain extreme circumstances. but, with enough willpower and understanding, not just of the disorder but of yourself, i truly do believe anyone can do it, it's just a matter of if you want to push yourself to do it. it's just like people claim they "can't" quit smoking. sorry, but that's bs. they "can" quit, it's just a matter of will.

i just don't like when people misinterpret the reasoning for using anti-anxiety meds in thinking that it is a "cure". i just see some people throwing on your metaphorical "cast" (using meds), then thinking the leg is healed cause they can use it again, not realizing there is still underlying damage that should be worked on.

another important thing you mentioned though is the cast is used to "let the healing begin". right, but the cast itself isn't what heals the injury. i agree meds can help while attempting to cope with anxiety/panic disorder and in the "cast" concept that is fine, but the healing is a completely different process which the meds just will not help with and it will not heal itself. the issues causing the attacks need to be dealt with eventually.

i think we're just looking at the same situation from different perspectives, but i have no disagreements with any of what you said. under your reasoning of using meds, that is perfectly acceptable to me as well, and to some it may be helpful. however, people just seem to become too dependent on meds oftentimes and use them to avoid coping with the situation entirely.

[thegodfather]

alright, to start here, anxiety attacks are NOT hereditary. you can be more susceptible because of your persona which can more or less be considered a part of your genetics, but they are not something you are born with and live with for your entire life. i know because i used to have them and i overcame them, WITHOUT DRUGS.

drugs like paxil, zoloft, and any and all other anti-anxiety medications only mask the symptoms. they do not "cure" anxiety attacks, and the proof is when many people come off them, they go right back to having anxiety attacks again. i personally discourage people from using prescriptions to elminiate symptoms, because it just covers up an underlying issue and doesn't let the person actually deal with it. this is why people typically are recommended to a psychiatrist when diagnosed with anxiety/panic disorder. the medication is to alleviate the symptoms, and the psychologist is to help you realize your triggers and how to control them.

remember, there are no drugs that cure you. only your body can heal itself, and there is things you can consume to help it do so, but pharmaceuticals are not one of them. if the pharmaceutical industry made a cure, they'd be putting themselves out of a job. now why would they do that? they only make things that mask symptoms, but they do not cure anything. if you disagree, show me one thing that you can take which is a pharmaceutical that "cures" anything?

as far as how a cycle will affect it, though nothing actually causes anxiety attacks other than your own psyche, cetain things can make you more succeptible to them. a cycle will make you more succeptible because it does stimulate certain functions in your body and that extra stimulus can increase your bodies anxiety levels. this is one of the reasons some people get insomnia while on a cycle.

my suggestion would be to research into anxiety attacks on the web, in books, etc, learn all you can about them, then learn what triggers them for you, and learn how to overcome it. it's all about willpower. you can consciously control your anxiety attacks. i know because i dealt with them for about 8 months or so during a very stressful part of my life and after i learned how to control it, i haven't had any since, and i used no medication and no psychiatrists. i tried both methods and i knew they just weren't the solution for me. you need to come off the medication and face it until you learn to control it. it will make you stronger and you'll learn a lot of how your mind works by doing so too. do more research first though before coming off it, saying as without doing so, you may make things worse.

i wish you luck and hope you take my suggestion. if you have any other questions about anxiety/panic disorder, feel free to pm me, as i have studied very extensively about them and am willing to assist you on anything else you'd like to know about them. but please for your own sake, DO NOT take medications which will ONLY mask the symptoms.

Clendamyacin cures Staph infections...Bactrim cures UTI's...The symptoms of the aforementioned aren't suppressed because if they were they would reoccur as soon as you stopped taking the medication. Antibiotics completely kill the invading organism, so it cures the body of the problem. I'm not completely disagreeing with you, as I do believe that big pharma is a huge scam and its definately not in their best interests to create cures for everything imaginable, however there are cures for certain things which shouldn't be ignored.

While I'll agree some people may be able to talk or reason themselves out of anxiety attacks, I do not believe this is the case for the majority of people who suffer TRUE anxiety attacks, caused by chemical inbalances inside the brain. Chemistry within the brain is what triggers the anxiety attacks, and some of these medications attempt to synthetically replace that chemical so your brain can function normally, thus stopping the panic attacks.

[MMA]

i understand your reasoning here, and i agree that not everyone can overcome their anxiety as easy as i make it out to be, particularly those in certain extreme circumstances. but, with enough willpower and understanding, not just of the disorder but of yourself, i truly do believe anyone can do it, it's just a matter of if you want to push yourself to do it. it's just like people claim they "can't" quit smoking. sorry, but that's bs. they "can" quit, it's just a matter of will.

i just don't like when people misinterpret the reasoning for using anti-anxiety meds in thinking that it is a "cure". i just see some people throwing on your metaphorical "cast" (using meds), then thinking the leg is healed cause they can use it again, not realizing there is still underlying damage that should be worked on.

another important thing you mentioned though is the cast is used to "let the healing begin". right, but the cast itself isn't what heals the injury. i agree meds can help while attempting to cope with anxiety/panic disorder and in the "cast" concept that is fine, but the healing is a completely different process which the meds just will not help with and it will not heal itself. the issues causing the attacks need to be dealt with eventually.

i think we're just looking at the same situation from different perspectives, but i have no disagreements with any of what you said. under your reasoning of using meds, that is perfectly acceptable to me as well, and to some it may be helpful. however, people just seem to become too dependent on meds oftentimes and use them to avoid coping with the situation entirely.

wow, a respectful, thoughtful, logical post. this guy must be a narc!

[ascendant]

Clendamyacin cures Staph infections...Bactrim cures UTI's...The symptoms of the aforementioned aren't suppressed because if they were they would reoccur as soon as you stopped taking the medication. Antibiotics completely kill the invading organism, so it cures the body of the problem. I'm not completely disagreeing with you, as I do believe that big pharma is a huge scam and its definately not in their best interests to create cures for everything imaginable, however there are cures for certain things which shouldn't be ignored.

While I'll agree some people may be able to talk or reason themselves out of anxiety attacks, I do not believe this is the case for the majority of people who suffer TRUE anxiety attacks, caused by chemical inbalances inside the brain. Chemistry within the brain is what triggers the anxiety attacks, and some of these medications attempt to synthetically replace that chemical so your brain can function normally, thus stopping the panic attacks.

i may have misworded my statement about there being no cures for anything. some conditions can be cured, but the causes for their conditions are not. they can cure an infection brought on by a severe cold/flu, but they can't keep you from ever getting a cold/flu again so you don't have to worry about getting an infection again. things that can be "cured" are cured in a way so that they can recur again so they make sure you keep coming back. there is no "preventative treatment/cures" in the pharmaceutical industry is how it would be better worded.

another issue with antibiotics is they fight bacteria and other foreign substances in the body indiscriminately, killing off good bacteria as well, for example in the stomach, which down the road can give you other problems, such as acid reflux, which once again, a person will be looking for medication for.

as far as anxiety attacks, the chemical imbalances you speak about that occur inside the brain are psychologically induced, meaning they have trigger mechanisms that your conscious can react to and prevent. pretty much all anxiety attacks are is our "fight or flight" mechanisms kicking in without any external stimulus, so our minds look for a cause internally and we have to deal with the numerous symptoms triggered by those chemicals.

i can assure you though that i have had some very severe anxiety/panic attacks during my time dealing with them though, and i know while you're experiencing them, there seems like no hope.

as far as "replacing" chemicals in the brain, where have you heard of any meds doing that? i can assure you zoloft, paxil, and other related SSRI treatment methods do not treat the cause, and as far as to the best of my knowledge, they don't know of the exact cause and therefore can only treat the symptoms. i would be interested of hearing what meds treat the chemical mechanisms that cause panic/anxiety disorder and how? when you get information either through brochures or on the websites of SSRI meds, they even say that the anxiety/panic attacks may be caused by such and such, indicating they really don't know.

[Dying Wail]

Hey, smokin weed used to do that shit to me to!!!! So I stopped any it went away about a year latter