Newbie winny question

**SoF** · 04-10-2006, 10:21 PM

Whats up guys...im a complete newbie to this...and after reading through many many of these threads..i was trying to find as much information regarding winny as possible..and id have to say from what ive found out..is that ive made the classic newbie mistake....im getting winny..the injectable form..and it is my very first cycle ever...and it looks as if im making a big mistake...so id really like some advice from anybody willing to help me out...i follow a diet and do alot of cardio...ive been told its ok to use winny alone as a first cycle...but now after reading all of these posts im not so sure...what do i do...my goal is to get cut and lean out...and ive also noticed that Anavar seems to be a better alternative then winny...and also..last thing...IF i were to follow through with my winny only cycle...are there any very bad side effects i should take into serious consideration?...

thanks in advance...any help is greatly appreciated!

**briansauras** · 04-10-2006, 10:25 PM

winny alone cycles arent a good choice.

if you can handle ED/EOD injections: prop @ 50-100mg with winny @ 50mg along with a solid diet and cardio will help you obtain your goal.

**SoF** · 04-10-2006, 10:28 PM

i kno i may sound stupid to you guys because obviously most of you here all know what you are talking about..but im really not to knowledgable on the nicknames of many things...ED/EOD injections prop..im not sure what that means..sorry for asking stupid questions..im jus tryin to learn as much as i can

**Anabolios** · 04-10-2006, 10:28 PM

thats sound like some painful injections :\ could just drink it

can you drink winny?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!??

EOD=every other day prop=testosterone proionate... A fast acting ester of injectable testosterone

youve come to the right place to learn...stick around youll get farmiliar with abbreviations and slang and such

**SoF** · 04-10-2006, 10:30 PM

thanks. i really appreciate it. only term im kind of familiar with is "stacking"...combining different steroids . so then from what ur saying the best thing for me to do is stack winny and prop?

**briansauras** · 04-10-2006, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by SoF

thanks. i really appreciate it. only term im kind of familiar with is "stacking"...combining different steroids. so then from what ur saying the best thing for me to do is stack winny and prop?

its prolly a good idea to research some more before making a decision. how old are you and whats your training experience btw.

**SoF** · 04-10-2006, 10:34 PM

im 22 years old. i have been working out for about 4 years. but ive been going hard for about a year and half 2 years. i have a steady diet that i stick to...as well as cardio 4-5 times per week...between 40-50 min each time. seems like i messed up..cuz i already ordered winny..and im getting it this thursday. now after reading everything..im a little nervous to start my cycle.

**Anabolios** · 04-10-2006, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by SoF

thanks. i really appreciate it. only term im kind of familiar with is "stacking"...combining different steroids. so then from what ur saying the best thing for me to do is stack winny and prop?

not necessarily....you could use test e or c prop was just suggested because winny is everyday injects or eod so you could mix the winny assuming you didnt wanna drink it but just drink it and inject some test e sorry if im talkin confusing im on the phone

**SoF** · 04-10-2006, 10:37 PM

no honestly man im not confused im really appreciating this. i want to get as much info as i can before starting anything. if anything i should be sorry for asking stupid questions lol

**briansauras** · 04-10-2006, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by SoF

im 22 years old. i have been working out for about 4 years. but ive been going hard for about a year and half 2 years. i have a steady diet that i stick to...as well as cardio 4-5 times per week...between 40-50 min each time. seems like i messed up..cuz i already ordered winny..and im getting it this thursday. now after reading everything..im a little nervous to start my cycle.

you can always save it for another cycle. or even run test enth or cyp @250-500mg for 12wks and then run your winny wk 10-14(post cycle therapy )

**SoF** · 04-10-2006, 10:42 PM

alrite im definitely taking all this advice....but..just out of curiosity...for the sake of argument..lets say i did my winny-only cycle..(i was told 10 weeks)...is it a really bad idea...or will it still work..but not as good as if i would stack?

**Anabolios** · 04-10-2006, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by briansauras

you can always save it for another cycle. or even run test enth or cyp @250-500mg for 12wks and then run your winny wk 10-14(post cycle therapy)

100% AGREED Very good advice drink the winny too..i would

and to sof..no question is stupid unless you dont ask it..better safe than sorry..do some good research and dont be afraid to ask..you will learn

**Anabolios** · 04-10-2006, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by SoF

alrite im definitely taking all this advice....but..just out of curiosity...for the sake of argument..lets say i did my winny-only cycle..(i was told 10 weeks)...is it a really bad idea...or will it still work..but not as good as if i would stack?

10 weeks is far too long as winny is very hepatoxic...not good for your liver plus the sore joints would be terrible if you got that side effect..you would also most likely lose sexual function...4 weeks only on the winny maybe a little longer but its better safe than sorry especially since this is your first run with it dont run the winny only cycle..its not worth it you probably wont gain much

**SoF** · 04-10-2006, 10:47 PM

alrite...so then i should just keep the winny i ordered...and order test enth or cyp (not sure what those are)...and stack those..and follow what briansauras told me?

**Anabolios** · 04-10-2006, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by SoF

alrite...so then i should just keep the winny i ordered...and order test enth or cyp (not sure what those are)...and stack those..and follow what briansauras told me?

yes 500mg/week for 10-12 weeks your pct of nolva/clomid starts 2 weeks after your last testosterone injection you can run the winny from weeks 10-14 right up to your pct as briansaurus stated and test enth/cyp is injectable testosterone enanthate and testosterone cypionate ...they are single estered testosterones ideal for beginners...inject twice per week again drink the winny do some more research and in 2 weeks youll come back being able to keep up with all these abbreviations

best of luck to you dude pm me if you have any other questions

**SoF** · 04-10-2006, 10:58 PM

alrite im slowly starting to understand now. so for the first 10-12 weeks i take 500mg/week of test e or cyp..(do i have to inject that or can i drink it like winny). then..for the last 3-4 weeks (weeks 10-14)..i drink winny ( how much exactly). and for my final 3-4 weeks...am i supposed to take both steroids ..or just take winny at that point

**Anabolios** · 04-10-2006, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by SoF

alrite im slowly starting to understand now. so for the first 10-12 weeks i take 500mg/week of test e or cyp..(do i have to inject that or can i drink it like winny). then..for the last 3-4 weeks (weeks 10-14)..i drink winny ( how much exactly). and for my final 3-4 weeks...am i supposed to take both steroids..or just take winny at that point

DONT DRINK THE TEST you take your cycle of test for 10-12 weeks right you want to run winny for about 4 weeks at about 50mg/ed your pct wont be effective until your androgen levels drop from admiinistering testosterone ...that takes 2 weeks after your last injection of ENANTHATE 18 days for cypionate ...in those 2 weeeks when you are not getting testosterone from an exogenous source..its good to have an anabolic compound(winny) to keep you going...but you want winny to be ran for more that 2 weeks so you start it at week 10 and go through to week 14...one day before you start your pct...then you run 40mg/ed of nolva 100mg/ed of clomid for 30 days (this is your pct pct=post cycle therapy ) to restore natural production of testosterone as it will be shut down and there is your cycle and pct keep diet/rest/training in check and you should be all set...my suggestion to you would be research a lot and learn exactly what im talking about then you wont have to question yourself during cycle...you will feel a lot more comfortable if you are confident in what you are doing because you are knowledgable i dont even cycle i just learn because it pertains strongly to my major in school...and someday i might end up cycling but not for a long time because im kinda young and i ran one huge mistake of a cycle so i learned my lesson there

**SoF** · 04-10-2006, 11:16 PM

[QUOTE=briansauras]you can always save it for another cycle. or even run test enth or cyp @250-500mg for 12wks and then run your winny wk 10-14(post cycle therapy )[/QUOTE

after reading everything over again..im understanding it more and more..im reading everything about all the types of test u guys are telling me about..and this one taht briansauras told me seems complex enough. once im completely done this 14 week cycle of test enth or cyp...what is the best thing for me to do during my post steroid use to help my body?...and i read there are some weird side effects with either test enth or cyp..there anyway of combating these..im 22..dont kno if im really up for going bald..or having my testicles increase in size lol

**SoF** · 04-10-2006, 11:19 PM

one of my buddies is also in the same shoes as i am...his first cycle..but hes taking deca by itself...he wants me to ask you what is the best thing for him to do? after everything im telling him that ur telling me..hes beginning to question this cycle as im questioning mine lol

**SoF** · 04-10-2006, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anabolios

DONT DRINK THE TEST you take your cycle of test for 10-12 weeks right you want to run winny for about 4 weeks at about 50mg/ed your pct wont be effective until your androgen levels drop from admiinistering testosterone...that takes 2 weeks after your last injection of ENANTHATE 18 days for cypionate...in those 2 weeeks when you are not getting testosterone from an exogenous source..its good to have an anabolic compound(winny) to keep you going...but you want winny to be ran for more that 2 weeks so you start it at week 10 and go through to week 14...one day before you start your pct...then you run 40mg/ed of nolva 100mg/ed of clomid for 30 days (this is your pct pct=post cycle therapy) to restore natural production of testosterone as it will be shut down and there is your cycle and pct keep diet/rest/training in check and you should be all set...my suggestion to you would be research a lot and learn exactly what im talking about then you wont have to question yourself during cycle...you will feel a lot more comfortable if you are confident in what you are doing because you are knowledgable i dont even cycle i just learn because it pertains strongly to my major in school...and someday i might end up cycling but not for a long time because im kinda young and i ran one huge mistake of a cycle so i learned my lesson there

as weird as it sounds i actually understand basically everything u said to me..im learning pretty quick. one other question i have tho..which week do i start taking the nolva and clomid. i want to be 100% sure because i dont want to mix way to many things and risk any kind of health problems

**Anabolios** · 04-11-2006, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by SoF

as weird as it sounds i actually understand basically everything u said to me..im learning pretty quick. one other question i have tho..which week do i start taking the nolva and clomid. i want to be 100% sure because i dont want to mix way to many things and risk any kind of health problems

take the nolva/clomid 14 days after your last injection of testosterone enanthate or 18 days after cypionate whichever you decide to use keep nolva on hand in case symptoms of gyno (bitch tits) arise symptoms are puffy or sore nipples lumps under the nips as well