Rotating between Test Cyp and Test En each week?

[notanormalgent]

My friend, who is VERY experienced and knows his shit told me he does this....Right now he's rotating each week between 1200mg's of Cyp and then the next week using 1200mg's of Enanthate and then back to Cyp the next week. His reasoning is to keep the body guessing, so one could achieve optimal growth. But my reasoning against this is that esthers don't make a difference, as they're only release mechanisms, once the hormone is in it...it's in.

Who's right here?

[PurplePatriot]

I cant back it up with any facts im not that knowledgable as to exactly what it does to your body but i would never do that personally.

[notanormalgent]

I cant back it up with any facts im not that knowledgable as to exactly what it does to your body but i would never do that personally.

Uhhhm...thanks for the informative post?

[PurplePatriot]

Uhhhm...thanks for the informative post?

wow please remind me to never give you my opinion again, i'll save it for someone with a little respect.

[AIRC]

It is not good to mix enathante 250 with cyponayte 200 and prop 100 ed

[IBdmfkr]

I've switched to enanthate 8wks into a cyp cycle with descent results.. Cyp does nothing for me, enanthate reacts very well with my body.. Can't explain it.

I'd be interested to know if switching between the two esters would be beneficial or not though.

[ToTheBuckeT21]

Uhhhm...thanks for the informative post?

Yea what did he say? He just said he wouldn't do that.. guess what nor would i, guess thats bad info too and i'm dumb

[notanormalgent]

Yea what did he say? He just said he wouldn't do that.. guess what nor would i, guess thats bad info too and i'm dumb

Patriot, I just get annoyed when people can't back up their statements; you simply stated that you weren't knowledable on it, and you wouldn't do it, well, why won't you do it? I wasn't asking for opinions, but facts.

So....cheer up, buddy.

[stacked566]

i switched from test e to t-400 (test e, test cyp, and prop) and it's great....Has worked very well for me. Correct me if I am wrong, but cyponiate and enthanate esters are very similiar in length, with cypionate being a bit shorter. As far as your body guessing, I don't think it knows the difference.

[IBdmfkr]

cyp is the longer ester of the two. They are similar, yes but they deff react differently with the body IMO.
Cyp has more use with TRT/HRT then bodybuilding from what I've seen and experienced.

[PurplePatriot]

C and E are the two most closely related esters i would say no more than 5-10% different. However they are different, to me it makes since that levels would stay more unstable by switching them around and less effective instead of being consistant using just one.

[HUNTER1]

I personally wouldn't want to try it, but I would like to hear some other opinions on the matter.

[Rickson]

It really shouldn't make a significant difference since the esters are very similar and the hormone is the same. Generally the ester for HRT often has to do with the country of origin. I think usually people get a better brand or batch and pick there favorite from whatever they got the best results from. I don't think you will see a significant difference from switching them but it won't hurt anything really either.

[IBdmfkr]

The enanthate I used at the time was QV.. I got better results than the Cyp which was Watson at a higher dosage and stacked with the same compounds.. So I doubt U.S. pharmaceutical companies put out bad batches
Also many other users I know personally either respond well to one or the other in most cases, very few seem to react the same off of either ester.. I admit it doesn't make sense on paper but that is just my experience.

btw, I didn't mention I actually ran Watson cypionate twice with a year's difference and an enanthate cycle inbetween. I was also skeptical about it the first time around wondering why I react that way to Test thinking the ester had no effect, I tried it again to make sure (same outcome).

[taiboxa]

well there are alot of factors at play here
first lets look at the % of Purity of both.. if the powders come from the same manufacturer then piss its probably a toss up.. so we move on to brewing methods.. and who did it... could be under/overdosed as well as other factors affecting the concentration/effectiveness of the compounds

essentially they are the EXACT SAME THING only thing is Enanthate has a smaller ester which increases the raw testosterone component by a minor % which means 1.2g of TestE is more potent (NOT SIGNIFICANTLY but enuff to prevent homeostasis) than that of 1.2g TestC

personally the ester has no effect other than causing flux in blood levels and bringing out more prominent sides.

In other words.. its fairly idiotic to swap esters in the hopes of acquiring additional gains. but hey the placebo effect is MIGHTY!

[IBdmfkr]

Makes sense tai, but still doesn't explain my experience with the two.
I'll have to look into this further.

[justtrnd40]

I am on trt and I use both. Mainly cyp but I throw 125mg of e in every once in a while. Don't really notice any difference except I seem to break out a little more with cyp.

[shadyadam]

well there are alot of factors at play here
first lets look at the % of Purity of both.. if the powders come from the same manufacturer then piss its probably a toss up.. so we move on to brewing methods.. and who did it... could be under/overdosed as well as other factors affecting the concentration/effectiveness of the compounds

essentially they are the EXACT SAME THING only thing is Enanthate has a smaller ester which increases the raw testosterone component by a minor % which means 1.2g of TestE is more potent (NOT SIGNIFICANTLY but enuff to prevent homeostasis) than that of 1.2g TestC

personally the ester has no effect other than causing flux in blood levels and bringing out more prominent sides.

In other words.. its fairly idiotic to swap esters in the hopes of acquiring additional gains. but hey the placebo effect is MIGHTY!

Wow that’s a pretty good answer. See I was gonna say the same thing but taiboxa beat me too it! lol

[Warrior]

Keep it guessing - yeah, I am sure it will be wondering what the next ester will be the following week...

The only thing this method should produce is some uneven plasma levels although the esters are similar in weight...

[Timm1704]

testosterone is the same hormone regardless of the ester. like the others have said, all this would do, in my opinion, is risk having more unstable blood levels and produce more sides. in response to what TAI said, these factors are very good, and i think its better to run the same brand/compound throughout the cycle, as to not risk getting increased sides, due to these unknown factors

[albert]

Iv always wondered why cyp is so much cheaper than E. If they are almost the same.40$ more for e@10 ml Iv done both and see a little better result on e. I cant explain it either.

[BajanBastard]

Keep it guessing - yeah, I am sure it will be wondering what the next ester will be the following week...

The only thing this method should produce is some uneven plasma levels although the esters are similar in weight...

Co-signed baby.

[ShnouzedUp]

personally... im lovin my cyp im on way better than my last enanthate cycle... guess everyone is different though...

[taiboxa]

I am on trt and I use both. Mainly cyp but I throw 125mg of e in every once in a while. Don't really notice any difference except I seem to break out a little more with cyp.

yeah the longer the ester the more uneven the plasma levels. usually .. still dependent upon administration frequency

[Warrior]

I am on trt and I use both. Mainly cyp but I throw 125mg of e in every once in a while. Don't really notice any difference except I seem to break out a little more with cyp.

One side effect of not keeping even androgen levels. If you just "throw in some TE" with testosterone cyp, you are causing a new peak in your blood levels... which can result in several issues - one being the acne. Remember puberty? If you don't pencil out exactly how you are going to run the cycle for an even release, the wild swings in androgen levels can resemble it.

[GetHugeDieTrying]

My friend, who is VERY experienced and knows his shit told me he does this....Right now he's rotating each week between 1200mg's of Cyp and then the next week using 1200mg's of Enanthate and then back to Cyp the next week. His reasoning is to keep the body guessing, so one could achieve optimal growth. But my reasoning against this is that esthers don't make a difference, as they're only release mechanisms, once the hormone is in it...it's in.

Who's right here?

do 4-6 weeks of enan then 4-6 weeks of cyp, body gets hit witha different ester for a good 4-6 weeks. keeping it fresh is the idea, not 1 week this 1 week that.

[Warrior]

do 4-6 weeks of enan then 4-6 weeks of cyp, body gets hit witha different ester for a good 4-6 weeks. keeping it fresh is the idea, not 1 week this 1 week that.

How is a different ester (a basic chain of fatty acids) tied to the same parent hormone going to keep anything "fresh"? The only thing switching from Cyp and Enanthate will do is a minimal change in the amount of free testosterone (when you subtract the ester weight) and it's release pattern into the system as controlled by the new ester...

I could see switching up E/Cyp with prop or suspension for various reasons... but staggering E and Cyp doesn't seem like it would do anything really...

[stupidhippo]

i second warriors previous statements.. and the ones made by TAI and some others in this thread... As for why Ibd has gotten such results I dont know. Maybe some other factor at play there but in general the ester is only the ester and has nothing to do with the hormone attached to it when it finally gets released. Switching esters should provide no additional benefit if the level of the hormone in the blood remais similar.

[IBdmfkr]

I'm also stumped by my results stupidhippo.. Doesn't make any sense on paper. Deff could be something I did differently during cycles, who knows.. Diet/Training/Rest/Stress levels/etc..

[taiboxa]

How is a different ester (a basic chain of fatty acids) tied to the same parent hormone going to keep anything "fresh"? The only thing switching from Cyp and Enanthate will do is a minimal change in the amount of free testosterone (when you subtract the ester weight) and it's release pattern into the system as controlled by the new ester...

I could see switching up E/Cyp with prop or suspension for various reasons... but staggering E and Cyp doesn't seem like it would do anything really...

dood dont bother i already had this discussion long ago w/ him and if he still cant understand then ><