4th Cycle, please critique

**eightball17** · 04-13-2006, 08:36 PM

History: Sust. 250, EQ. Winny, Dbol .
Stats: 5'8" 190 Bf% 12

Winny 50 mg 1-8 eod
Tren 75 mg 1-5 ed
Prop 100 mg 1-10 either ed or eod
Anavar 50 mg 1-6 ed
Letro .5 ed

PCT
Nolv. 20 mg ed
Clomid 300 day1 100 ed after 10-13

This is basically what I'm looking for. Looking to drop some Body fat and would like to put on about 10lbs of quality mass with a high retention rate.
I'm going for a hard, ripped look, with a little added mass.
any help is appricated.

**smokethedays** · 04-13-2006, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by eightball17

History: Sust. 250, EQ. Winny, Dbol .
Stats: 5'8" 190 Bf% 12

Winny 50 mg 1-8 eod
Tren 75 mg 1-5 ed
Prop 100 mg 1-10 either ed or eod
Anavar 50 mg 1-6 ed
Letro .5 ed

PCT
Nolv. 20 mg ed
Clomid 300 day1 100 ed after 10-13

This is basically what I'm looking for. Looking to drop some Body fat and would like to put on about 10lbs of quality mass with a high retention rate.
I'm going for a hard, ripped look, with a little added mass.
any help is appricated.

i'd so something like this:
week 1-10 Test Prop 150 EOD or 100 ED
week 1-8 Winstrol 50 ED
week 5-10 Var 50 mg ED
week 5-10 Tren 75 mg ED

**topvega** · 04-13-2006, 09:38 PM

just for starters winny eod is a waste.... must be run ed..... and 5 weeks of tren is a tease....... If U run tren-a it is best shot ed... so that means shoot the prop ed as well... less sides that way... also tren is pretty tuff on your liver and kidneys so I wld not run 2 orals in the same cycle as well.... Even if u have minimal sides with tren like I do, it still tends to leave u feeling like shit on most days....

**taiboxa** · 04-14-2006, 09:15 AM

research more.. read AAS profiles then make a new cycle.

**01dragonslayer** · 04-14-2006, 10:32 AM

Injections are needed daily for this cycle. Var OR winny...not both. Tren for 5wks won't cut it....run it 8wks. How 'bout this...

Wks 1-10 Prop 100mg/ED
Wks 1-8 Tren 75mg/ED
Wks 3-8 Var 50mg/ED

**Pinnacle** · 04-14-2006, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by 01dragonslayer

Injections are needed daily for this cycle. Var OR winny...not both. Tren for 5wks won't cut it....run it 8wks. How 'bout this...

Wks 1-10 Prop 100mg/ED
Wks 1-8 Tren 75mg/ED
Wks 3-8 Var 50mg/ED

I agree with your statements,but would opt for winny over VAR,and run the winny no less than 70 mgs ED.For those that have never read pubmed,there are several studies showing the liver degrades 20-25 % of Winstrol on the first pass.With that said,you need to take that into account and dose accordingly.

~Pinnacle~

**eightball17** · 04-14-2006, 01:42 PM

On this ____Wks 1-10 Prop 100mg/ED
Wks 1-8 Tren 75mg/ED
Wks 3-8 Var 50mg/ED

What should I expect to gains as far a lean muscle mass?

**taiboxa** · 04-14-2006, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by eightball17

On this ____Wks 1-10 Prop 100mg/ED
Wks 1-8 Tren 75mg/ED
Wks 3-8 Var 50mg/ED

What should I expect to gains as far a lean muscle mass?

that would be based on genetics and mostly DIET

**01dragonslayer** · 04-14-2006, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by 01dragonslayer

Injections are needed daily for this cycle. Var OR winny...not both. Tren for 5wks won't cut it....run it 8wks. How 'bout this...

Wks 1-10 Prop 100mg/ED
Wks 1-8 Tren 75mg/ED
Wks 3-8 Var 50mg/ED

Ooops type-o. Run the var wks 3-10.