test,dbol,eq,winny vs test,dbol,deca,winny

[aaronswt84]

Im trying to decide between these two cycles, I want to gain 20-25lbs and keep 85% or more of it. My stats are 22, 6'0, 14% body fat. Ive been training for 6 years now, done 3 cycles first being test and deca , but i didnt do it right wasnt educated and lost alot of gains. Second and third were test and low dose tren .

Cycle #1
1-14 test e 750mg wk
1-12 eq 600mg wk
1-4 dbol 30mg ed
10-16 winny 50mg ed
.5mg letro ed

Cycle #2
1-10 test e 500mg wk
1-10 deca 400mg wk
1-4 dbol 30mg ed
1-12 proviron 50mg ed
9-12 winny 50mg ed (might run for 6 weeks starting a week 6, worried about the joints though)

Pct for both cycles
Nolvadex : 20mg/day, HCG : 500 IU/day, Proviron 25mg/day, Vit. E 1000 IU/day
Week2
Nolvadex: 20mg/day, HCG: 500 IU/day, Proviron 25mg/day, Vit. E: 1000 iu/day
Week 3
Nolvadex: 20mg/day, HCG: 500 IU/day, Proviron 25mg/day, Vit. E: 1000 IU/day
Week 4
Nolvadex: 20mg/day, Proviron 25mg/day
Week 5
Nolvadex: 20mg/day
Week 6
Nolvadex: 20mg/day

any imput would be great, thanks again

[aaronswt84]

man im always bad about this, i always forget that I wanted to throw in some prop at the very end of the second cycle, not sure when though, need some help on the timing

[LatinoPR]

Cycle # 1....IMO You can do whatever the hell you want.

[ODC0717]

Im trying to decide between these two cycles, I want to gain 20-25lbs and keep 85% or more of it. My stats are 22, 6'0, 14% body fat. Ive been training for 6 years now, done 3 cycles first being test and deca , but i didnt do it right wasnt educated and lost alot of gains. Second and third were test and low dose tren .

Cycle #1
1-14 test e 750mg wk
1-12 eq 600mg wk
1-4 dbol 30mg ed
10-16 winny 50mg ed
.5mg letro ed

This is similar to the cycle I'm about to end now without the dbol and the winny. Dose is just about the same, I'm taking a gram of test with the same dose EQ. Gains have been great! I'm lean and vascular. As it stands I'm just under 195 up from 180. One more thing is that I don't like the use of two 17aa orals in one cycle, but that's me.

Cycle #2
1-10 test e 500mg wk
1-10 deca 400mg wk
1-4 dbol 30mg ed
1-12 proviron 50mg ed
9-12 winny 50mg ed (might run for 6 weeks starting a week 6, worried about the joints though)

Why the two different doses of test? I personally like the first cycle better witht he exception of what I previously stated about the two orals.

Nolvadex : 20mg/day, HCG : 500 IU/day, Proviron 25mg/day, Vit. E 1000 IU/day
Week2
Nolvadex: 20mg/day, HCG: 500 IU/day, Proviron 25mg/day, Vit. E: 1000 iu/day
Week 3
Nolvadex: 20mg/day, HCG: 500 IU/day, Proviron 25mg/day, Vit. E: 1000 IU/day
Week 4
Nolvadex: 20mg/day, Proviron 25mg/day
Week 5
Nolvadex: 20mg/day
Week 6
Nolvadex: 20mg/day

any imput would be great, thanks again

I'm assuming that the above is your proposed plan for PCT? I personally like aromasin and nolva for PCT, but that's me. If I were to use HCG I would use it the week before PCT to wake the boys up. Also, I feel that the doses you listed for either cycle are too much to be able to use nolva only for PCT. I would at least get an AI like Adex, letro or aromasin. I don't like to use proviron during PCT as it's an androgen and those shut you down.

[aaronswt84]

i was also thinking about adding clomid at 100mg for three weeks into the pct mix. The lower doses where just what I came up with.

[taiboxa]

i like deca better but the run time on both of those eq and deca are too short and u need to run the test atleast a week past deca just like EQ.

you got some researching to do bro.. get after it in the educational threads and aas profiles

[mr. snakes]

Im trying to decide between these two cycles, I want to gain 20-25lbs and keep 85% or more of it. My stats are 22, 6'0, 14% body fat. Ive been training for 6 years now, done 3 cycles first being test and deca , but i didnt do it right wasnt educated and lost alot of gains. Second and third were test and low dose tren .

Cycle #1
1-14 test e 750mg wk
1-12 eq 600mg wk
1-4 dbol 30mg ed
10-16 winny 50mg ed
.5mg letro ed

Cycle #2
1-10 test e 500mg wk
1-10 deca 400mg wk
1-4 dbol 30mg ed
1-12 proviron 50mg ed
9-12 winny 50mg ed (might run for 6 weeks starting a week 6, worried about the joints though)

Pct for both cycles
Nolvadex : 20mg/day, HCG : 500 IU/day, Proviron 25mg/day, Vit. E 1000 IU/day
Week2
Nolvadex: 20mg/day, HCG: 500 IU/day, Proviron 25mg/day, Vit. E: 1000 iu/day
Week 3
Nolvadex: 20mg/day, HCG: 500 IU/day, Proviron 25mg/day, Vit. E: 1000 IU/day
Week 4
Nolvadex: 20mg/day, Proviron 25mg/day
Week 5
Nolvadex: 20mg/day
Week 6
Nolvadex: 20mg/day

any imput would be great, thanks again

Go with cycle #2

1-12 test e 500mg wk
1-10 deca 400mg wk
1-4 dbol 30mg ed
1-12 proviron 50mg ed
10-14 winny 50mg ed

[taiboxa]

wat ever you do make sure u run deca atleast 12wks k thnx

[aaronswt84]

ok thanks, ill take all of that into consideration. any thoughts on throwing some prop in there at the end?

[southpaw26]

deca and eq are so close. i have used both and they did good by me.but i agree that you need to run it for 12 weeks. and do your test for 1 extra week after last deca or eq inject.