7 weeks in what'ya think?

**guest589745** · 04-15-2006, 05:00 PM

Kinda long story...

I am doin 500mg Cyp a week and havent noticed the gains I expected. My squat has went up almost 80 somethin pounds my deadlift has went up 20 pounds but my bench has not went up much if at all. I have gained weight but, maybe 5-8lbs and Im not sure how much would actually be muscle. I would say there is no visual difference in me right now. I have been eating pretty clean and heavily too. Cardio is only 2 times a week right now, very low intensity.
My cyp had crystals in it which to my knowledge means that it is likely to be real but, I dont feel different or anything really. Now Im wonderin if all my shit; nolva, adex, clomid and test are fake. I mean, if my test is, my other shit probly is too. It really ****s my whole plan up though cause I had 40 more ML (from elsewhere) to add to this but, if the nolva and adex and clomid are phony, Im ****ed for right now.

Im going to post pics when I get up and I wanna see if anyone recognizes em.

Say what you wanna say about how people respond to test differently and shit but, come on.....7 weeks?

Thoughts?

**josh8416** · 04-15-2006, 05:03 PM

well how much weight have you gained? is this your first cycle? i know on my 1st, i took qv, test en. 250mg/wk gained about 16-18, kept about 12, but this was 3 years ago, and ran no pct. i knew the test was real, cause i felt great, i love being on test. are u having any signs? like balls not hanging, or acne?

**Booz** · 04-15-2006, 05:05 PM

is this your 1st cycle mate......

**josh8416** · 04-15-2006, 05:05 PM

oh i see 5-8 pounds, ya i would think your test is wayy under dose. i would say on week 7, you should be up 10-12 atleast, if diet and training is in check, and gear is REAL

**guest589745** · 04-15-2006, 05:07 PM

23yrs old
lifting since 17
diet is good, not perfect

liftin
mon/wed/fri each bodypart once a week
first cycle

**guest589745** · 04-15-2006, 05:09 PM

No negative sides or positive sides.

The only things I could maybe say but, they might just be a placebo are: Aggression and more hair.

**guest589745** · 04-15-2006, 05:10 PM

Yea, my squat went up good but, I have been on a different routine and putting in a better effort now that my back is better.

**mcgas7** · 04-15-2006, 05:11 PM

i start week 6 on tue mate and im feeling the difference! test e 500mg pw..
i dunno bro?

**guest589745** · 04-15-2006, 05:11 PM

yea me neither. It sucks cause, I dont know if all of it is fake or just the test or what

**mcgas7** · 04-15-2006, 05:15 PM

best thing is get pics up and c wat responce u get from them..
some ppl take more time to kick in than others though? but would think you'd get some sides .. increased sex drive,oily skin etc by now

**guest589745** · 04-15-2006, 05:17 PM

Nah, very normal skin and sex drive hasnt went up too much. I probly just think about it so much being on here and hearing everyone talk about it lol.

**eL FriJolerO** · 04-15-2006, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

23yrs old
lifting since 17
diet is good, not perfect

liftin
mon/wed/fri each bodypart once a week
first cycle

only 3 days a week huh? How is the training intensity? I'd say you should at least train 4 days a week. You should train even harder when you're on gear, many people forget that.

**mcgas7** · 04-15-2006, 05:22 PM

first cycle?

**mcgas7** · 04-15-2006, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by eL FriJolerO

You should train even harder when you're on gear, many people forget that.

agreed.. i try and up my lifts every week..

**guest589745** · 04-15-2006, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by eL FriJolerO

only 3 days a week huh? How is the training intensity? I'd say you should at least train 4 days a week. You should train even harder when you're on gear, many people forget that.

If I felt like I could I would. I am not new to lifting so I would say that my workouts are very good. Good form, and I am doing what seems to have worked for me before.

What kind of routine would you suggest then?

**guest589745** · 04-15-2006, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by mcgas7

agreed.. i try and up my lifts every week..

I do and I think thats why my squat has gone up. My bench is at a sticking point though. Thats one of the reasons whyI decided to go on.

Dont think that Im the type that goes in and takes it easy an shit. Believe me, I lift the best I can.

**guest589745** · 04-15-2006, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by mcgas7

first cycle?

yes it is.

**mcgas7** · 04-15-2006, 05:34 PM

good luck with it mate..

**eL FriJolerO** · 04-15-2006, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

If I felt like I could I would. I am not new to lifting so I would say that my workouts are very good. Good form, and I am doing what seems to have worked for me before.

What kind of routine would you suggest then?

I would suggest to train at least 4 days a week. But like you said, if 3 days a week as worked fine for you in the past, then stick to it. But i personally think that 3 days a week is too little. If you say that you train every body part then you must train like 4 in 1 day(taking abs, calves and traps in mind, that's too much. Try to split them in more days, so can train with even more intesity. But like i said, that's my personal opinion based on my personal experience. good luck

**guest589745** · 04-15-2006, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by eL FriJolerO

If you say that you train every body part then you must train like 4 in 1 day(taking abs, calves and traps in mind, that's too much. :

I may do four in 1 sort of but they are muscles that are related to each other if ya get what Im sayin.

**eL FriJolerO** · 04-15-2006, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

I may do four in 1 sort of but they are muscles that are related to each other if ya get what Im sayin.

if you train with the intensity that you say you train, you're proabably overtraining...

**Pooks** · 04-15-2006, 06:25 PM

crystals? so the test crashed??
hmm...
i am not 100% sure on this.. but wouldnt that mean, that maybe u were injecting pure oil.. while the test is in crystal form?

**IBdmfkr** · 04-15-2006, 06:26 PM

Too many variables for us to know. Have to look at each part of it individually. Diet/Training/Rest. What is not up to par? What are your goals from this cycle etc? A lot of questions need to be answered for an educated answer on our part.

Btw the test shouldn't have crystals and this does not mean it is necessarily real or dosed correctly? Might have it checked while you still have some left just for your own personal knowledge.

**taiboxa** · 04-15-2006, 09:30 PM

i never put much stock into test as far as str size gains but its good dont get me wrong.. but like HE said.. too many varaibles

**IBdmfkr** · 04-15-2006, 09:31 PM

I'm "HE" lol

**taiboxa** · 04-15-2006, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

I'm "HE" lol

yes unless ur chica then your HER

**guest589745** · 04-15-2006, 10:40 PM

Well damnit. Dbol here I come...........??

**IBdmfkr** · 04-15-2006, 10:41 PM

hmm.. I'm on pct TAI so I may be a bit more chica right now than Hombre. lol

**taiboxa** · 04-15-2006, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Well damnit. Dbol here I come...........??

ROFL i LOVE dbol .. gives me great gains and 0 sides and i was running 75mg ED and on the 4th week i got my blood work done.. ODDLY enuff my liver.. was fine!

**IBdmfkr** · 04-15-2006, 10:45 PM

That's interesting Tai, I will have bloodwork done this time before, mid, and post cycle.. Insurance is great. lol
Btw, thx for advice on cycle.. still have much time to change things around.

**guest589745** · 04-15-2006, 10:48 PM

Yea well MUS BE NICE!

**taiboxa** · 04-16-2006, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Yea well MUS BE NICE!

why? ur liver super sensitive?

**guest589745** · 04-16-2006, 12:05 PM

No Im sayin jus mus be nice to have the shit lol.

**taiboxa** · 04-16-2006, 12:33 PM

ooooo lol

**IBdmfkr** · 04-16-2006, 01:27 PM

This is all pretend, but IF we had it. It sure would be nice.

**guest589745** · 04-16-2006, 01:33 PM

By "shit" I meant a liver that is healthy.

**IBdmfkr** · 04-16-2006, 01:35 PM

hmm, I'm confused. Go get BW done and see where your values are.
Also, cut back on the drinking and other factors that could harm your liver.

**guest589745** · 04-16-2006, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

hmm, I'm confused. Go get BW done and see where your values are.
Also, cut back on the drinking and other factors that could harm your liver.

Haha nvm bro.
Actually I have and the only thing that was a bit high was my sodium for some reason. Everything else was fine, well as far as my kidneys and cholesterol are concerned.

**vitor** · 04-16-2006, 01:41 PM

If the "Test" is real, you should have noticed an increase in sex-drive, without a doubt. This is unless estrogen-levels gets to high. Are you using an anti-estrogen?

Strenght gains should be seen from week 4(with cyp). Since your squat has increased like that, I would assume, it is some test in it. Could be very under-dosed, though.

**guest589745** · 04-16-2006, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by vitor

If the "Test" is real, you should have noticed an increase in sex-drive, without a doubt. This is unless estrogen-levels gets to high. Are you using an anti-estrogen?

Strenght gains should be seen from week 4(with cyp). Since your squat has increased like that, I would assume, it is some test in it. Could be very under-dosed, though.

thats pretty much what I thought. And yes, i was taking nolva the whole time. Or at least what I was lead to believe was nolva.....