i know dbol only.....

**net** · 04-16-2006, 08:24 PM

is not the ideal cycle, but what if someone did 50mg dbol ed for 50 days, and then went right to winstrol oral 50mged for 50 days? would they keep their strength gains? hardness?

i know alot of wear and tear on the liver though.

**southpaw26** · 04-16-2006, 08:26 PM

horrible, horrible idea. lot of bloat and water weight.

**C_Bino** · 04-16-2006, 08:28 PM

Test in every cycle. If you say I know I know...than you know the answer.

**Nasser** · 04-16-2006, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by net

is not the ideal cycle, but what if someone did 50mg dbol ed for 50 days, and then went right to winstrol oral 50mged for 50 days? would they keep their strength gains? hardness?

i know alot of wear and tear on the liver though.

Your last statement is all you need to think about, Gains are not worth messin yourself up!

**southpaw26** · 04-16-2006, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Nasser

Your last statement is all you need to think about, Gains are not worth messin yourself up!

100% correct

**farrebarre** · 04-16-2006, 08:56 PM

in theory you could do it, but set a date for ur funeral, write ur will and buy a nice coffin coz u will probably die of liver failure

**crash187ct** · 04-16-2006, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by farrebarre

in theory you could do it, but set a date for ur funeral, write ur will and buy a nice coffin coz u will probably die of liver failure

60% of the time, it works everytime

**Tbone1975** · 04-16-2006, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by net

is not the ideal cycle, but what if someone did 50mg dbol ed for 50 days, and then went right to winstrol oral 50mged for 50 days? would they keep their strength gains? hardness?

i know alot of wear and tear on the liver though.

You afraid of needles? Don't be. Test will give you better gains than any of that stuff. Though, I do like dbol.

**dellio** · 04-17-2006, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by crash187ct

60% of the time, it works everytime

what a movie!!!

**JimBlob** · 04-17-2006, 12:36 AM

Get to doing some more research before you make a statement like that. Put your health first and foremost, check up on it get more info before making choices, you one day may regret

***Narkissos*** · 04-17-2006, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by net

is not the ideal cycle, but what if someone did 50mg dbol ed for 50 days, and then went right to winstrol oral 50mged for 50 days? would they keep their strength gains? hardness?

i know alot of wear and tear on the liver though.

100 days on orals hm.. that's like 14 weeks.

I've run some extended oral use but..Man that's just asking for trouble

Your cholesterol is gonna be in some serious shit... your liver.. God your liver is gonna quit and move to someplace with a lower cost of living.

Bad idea all round guy.

**FullMoonHowlingWolf** · 04-17-2006, 12:43 AM

I’d suggest not doing this cycle.

**greek_pitbull** · 04-17-2006, 07:55 AM

PLease bro do not but DO NOT do that... both orals you mentioned are liver toxic...you need to check your liver values every 2 weeks or so, take a least 1000mg milk thistle, 2000mg fish oil, 2 or 3x the daily amount needed in vitamins, 4-6lt of water, proviron , nolva etc etc....PLus dbol at 50mg for an amateur as i believe you r is too much...if you finally decide to do this whatever cycle try it at 20 or 25mg it will work...
TRy Turinabol ,anavar ,primo if you wanna stay at orals

**ODC0717** · 04-17-2006, 08:21 AM

Try test bro. Why are you trying to re-invent the wheel. If a dbol only cycle is shit, why would a dbol cycle followed directly by a winny cycle be any better? I'm not gonna call you dumb or anything, you did that on your own when you posted your 'proposed' cycle of shit.

**vitor** · 04-17-2006, 08:23 AM

You could make decent gains on a D-dol/winstrol cycle.(Gains would have been alot better if you had included test or tren ,though.) I know people who has had greate results with D-bol/var cycles. If I was going to run this, I would take both compounds at the same time, and limit the time-frame to 4-6weeks, and use an AI to eliminate estrogen-buildup(bloat) from the D-bol.

It would provide better "synergi" to replace the winny with var, IMO. Because most of var action is with the AR-recepter while d-bol is mostly effective at then non-AR meditaded mechanism.

**cfiler** · 04-17-2006, 08:57 AM

Not a good looking cycle. If you can't handle needles, then stay away from those compounds. You would be better off looking at a Superdrol, or Phera Plex cycle. But unless you are planning on running Test, then I would forget about Dbol and Winstrol .

**mr. snakes** · 04-17-2006, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by net

is not the ideal cycle, but what if someone did 50mg dbol ed for 50 days, and then went right to winstrol oral 50mged for 50 days? would they keep their strength gains? hardness?

i know alot of wear and tear on the liver though.

If i were to run Dbol & winstrol together i would do it like this:
wk 1-4 Dbol 50mg/ED
wk 4-8 winstrol 50mg/ED

running winstrol right after would help some to keep strength & hardness.....

**SwoleCat** · 04-17-2006, 07:59 PM

Very unintelligent idea as others have stated and the reply above is also whack.

~SC~

**guest589745** · 04-17-2006, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by mr. snakes

If i were to run Dbol & winstrol together i would do it like this:
wk 1-4 Dbol 50mg/ED
wk 4-8 winstrol 50mg/ED

running winstrol right after would help some to keep strength & hardness.....

Dude, thats just stupid. Go research.

**SwoleCat** · 04-17-2006, 08:09 PM

Yeah, I didn't wanna say stupid so I said WHACK.

I love how winny will somehow magicaly help to keep strength and hardness when d-bol does nothing but bloat the living shit out of the user, what hardness there is in 25 lbs. of water retention I've no idea.

~SC~

**C_Bino** · 04-17-2006, 08:13 PM

Its mr. snakes answer to everything. The guy has no idea what he is talking about and no one should take a single piece of advice from him.

***Narkissos*** · 04-18-2006, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by C_Bino

Its mr. snakes answer to everything. The guy has no idea what he is talking about and no one should take a single piece of advice from him.

ditto.. "captain oral"

**pmorris** · 04-18-2006, 02:31 AM

that is the worst idea ever and say good bye to your liver and your gains. man up or dont do a cycle at all.

**abstrack** · 04-18-2006, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Narkissos

ditto.. "captain oral"

LMAO

**LatinoPR** · 04-18-2006, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by net

is not the ideal cycle, but what if someone did 50mg dbol ed for 50 days, and then went right to winstrol oral 50mged for 50 days? would they keep their strength gains? hardness?

i know alot of wear and tear on the liver though.

W T F ? and you said I Know...?

**kingofkings** · 04-19-2006, 12:08 AM

I had blood work done and just from regular supplements my liver was stressed a bit so imagine the stress that would do.

**BGMKE7** · 04-19-2006, 02:31 AM

i just had this same or somewhat similar discussion on another board about liver damage.guys...............i would definitely add in test but a month and a half and only 50 mg/day of dbol then winstrol come on.unless he had a real problem with orals then i would say that the cycle was too short.if he is a young guy with only min experience then i would say the cycle was perfect(with added test).what is it anymore with all this talk of "your liver will fall out"?sorry for jumping in here and saying this but im tired right now and i wanted to respond to this.i have over 10 yrs exp.i started at age 18 and now im 31.i have done everything in everyway.i know my body and i take(compared to this)huge amounts of steroids and guess what...........i have been on right now for 3yrs straight with no off cycle.(I DO NOT IN ANYWAY WANT SOMEONE YOUNG OR NEW TO THE GAME TO DO WHAT IM DOING!!!!!!!!!) lets get that out of the way.but here is my point.for the last 1yr and a half i have been taking 3g of test/wk,,,,,,,,,,220mg of dbol/day........what i have been changing is switching back and forth from igf1-LR3 to insulin in a month to month regimen.i went from holding at 250 to now holding at 280 with no igf or insulin at the moment.right now im on 3g of test/wk with 50mg/day of anavar and 50mg/day of winstrol.i have been doing this for 5months.soon i will be doing 3g of test/wk with 50mg of dbol/day and back on igf-1LR3.i dont have the time or space here to explain why,how,and what i have been doing since i started but i have gone from 160pounds to 280.now here is my POINT.the day that i switched from the dbol to anavar/winstrol i had my blood work done.my liver test came back 20 points over the normal range(MY LIVER IS HEALTHY AND DOING WELL).cholesterol is not so good but i believe its from the anastrozole i always take to keep my estrogen levels in check.some people can not take orals without serious sides but most of the men can and do fine.if 50 mg of dbol/day for 50 days killed your liver then there would be alot of dead pro bodybuilders out there.all this histeria really should stop.i know about posting this and some idiot newbie reading and saying of well then i can do that,NO!!!!!!!!!!!i started with small cycles learned what MY body could handle and work my way up over the yrs.maybe my statement is way off if im talking to a bunch of young kids but i say that im not a babysitter and if some young kid thinks he can do what i do then he deserves to learn the hard way when he gets serious side effects.i just couldnt sit here and let all this "your liver will die,this is crazy,oh shit you dead man"im perfectly healthy but that dosent mean someone else might run into serious problems with emulating me.everyone is different and every body needs to learn what their bodies can handle.steroids are dangerous and people can cause permanent damage to themselves(if they dont listen to their bodies and do what is necessary when serious side effects start happening) but if we as a community have this idea that steroids are going to kill you then how can we expect the public,(who already bought into the lies of the media)to except us.

i would like to hear what everyone here that responded thinks is a good cycle.im really curious.i only stop by this board every so often just to pass the time but it seems that now its just full of so much misinformation.so,flame away or what ever(i could care less) but back it up with a logical conclusion as to why you think im wrong.
later