"Non responding" to test? Is that even possible?

**guest589745** · 04-16-2006, 09:53 PM

Ok long story short, I was talkin to someone who said it is possible I am a "Non responder" or that I gain very poorly off test. How possible is this? I think he might be tryin to stick up for the guy who, IMO ripped me off (Unless I'm a "non responder").

You guys get the jist of what I'm askin so, any thoughts or info?

**peump** · 04-16-2006, 10:16 PM

testosterone is a natural hormone that all humans have

how can you literally be non-responsive to it

it's like being non-responsive to oxygen

you either need to eat more or get some real gear

**Tbone1975** · 04-16-2006, 10:16 PM

Bust 'im in the grill. How can anyone be a non responder to test?

**Tbone1975** · 04-16-2006, 10:17 PM

That makes me so mad just reading it. BUst 'im in the grill lol

**Merc..** · 04-16-2006, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Ok long story short, I was talkin to someone who said it is possible I am a "Non responder" or that I gain very poorly off test. How possible is this? I think he might be tryin to stick up for the guy who, IMO ripped me off (Unless I'm a "non responder").

You guys get the jist of what I'm askin so, any thoughts or info?

Sounds like some BS to me!!! I dunno! Any studies about none responders

**advicetaker1** · 04-16-2006, 10:53 PM

How long have u been on the cycle?

**MorganKane** · 04-16-2006, 11:06 PM

Sounds like BS.

But, if the gear is under dosed and you are not eating enough - it might just not give you the results you are expecting.

If you are bulking and eating enough you should gain on that alone.

Just a thought but without more info its just speculations.

**guest589745** · 04-17-2006, 09:18 AM

I know there is a lot of variables but, I have been eating well. I;m workin my ass off.

Im 7 weeks in

**shadyadam** · 04-17-2006, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Ok long story short, I was talkin to someone who said it is possible I am a "Non responder" or that I gain very poorly off test. How possible is this? I think he might be tryin to stick up for the guy who, IMO ripped me off (Unless I'm a "non responder").

You guys get the jist of what I'm askin so, any thoughts or info?

Sounds like you have bad gear my friend...

**lzicc** · 04-17-2006, 09:28 AM

I know that when I am on test, my sex drive goes through the roof. I don't get big gains from test, but I also don't retain alot of water either.

**hosam4ever** · 04-17-2006, 09:30 AM

i have a friend how can afford 250 mg of test ew

**kungen1234** · 04-17-2006, 09:30 AM

Dont state anything without a reliable source to back up your claims *looks at peump*

its not entirely BS, read this link
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...lymorphism.htm

**SEBASTOP** · 04-17-2006, 09:34 AM

Even women respond to test. Unless someone here knows of a weird medical condition that prevents test from being absorbed or processed, I would say no.
If you mean you did not get the gains you were expecting, that's a whole other can of worms.

**kungen1234** · 04-17-2006, 09:51 AM

There are genetic differences in the gene responsible for AR production along with number of AR at different locations in the body(not only muscles).

**biglouie250** · 04-17-2006, 10:04 AM

bunk gear?? what cycle are you running? doses? how far in are you...etc.....

**Ufa** · 04-17-2006, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Ok long story short, I was talkin to someone who said it is possible I am a "Non responder" or that I gain very poorly off test. How possible is this? I think he might be tryin to stick up for the guy who, IMO ripped me off (Unless I'm a "non responder").

You guys get the jist of what I'm askin so, any thoughts or info?

How much test ya doin?

**farrebarre** · 04-17-2006, 10:21 AM

just googled "non responding to testosterone " and it refers to for example cancer patients where their tumours wont get affected by testosterone
treatment

BUNK GEAR

**kungen1234** · 04-17-2006, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by peump

testosterone is a natural hormone that all humans have

how can you literally be non-responsive to it

it's like being non-responsive to oxygen

you either need to eat more or get some real gear

Explain to me why some people get worse sideffects off the same dose of testosterone per KG bodyweight than other people?

Explain to me why some people respond better gain-wise to same dose of testosterone per KG bodyweight than other people?

If everyone responded exactly the same to testosterone we could all become Mr. Olympia.

**stupidhippo** · 04-17-2006, 10:59 AM

partly agreed... It really seems like some ppl react differently to test. Others gain so much more from a cycle than others with pretty much same variables. As for someone being a non-responder completely that would be weird (if they would be othrewise normal). There are some conditions with deficient receptors and such but they dont apply here..

**guest589745** · 04-17-2006, 11:06 AM

thanks for the responses everyone

it was 500mg a week split in two shots, then I just bumped it up to 750mg for the last two weeks.

**guest589745** · 04-17-2006, 11:07 AM

My ****in luck. I did checks (Not here) on this ****er and everything and Im not as knowledgable as a lot of others here but, I know what to do basically so I dont think its error on my part.

**lucabratzi** · 04-17-2006, 11:08 AM

i didnt get the gains i expected off my test cycle..my diet was on and training was fine...i thought i had bunk gear, then i switched labs and raised doses, little dif. but not much...i feel like i need higher doses, cuase my sex drive was only raised slightly...BUT there were other circumstances that may have prevented me from gainin big weight...ex...i've gained over 40lbs in less then a year...gf stress...shitty sleep...ect...

**kungen1234** · 04-17-2006, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by stupidhippo

partly agreed... It really seems like some ppl react differently to test. Others gain so much more from a cycle than others with pretty much same variables. As for someone being a non-responder completely that would be weird (if they would be othrewise normal). There are some conditions with deficient receptors and such but they dont apply here..

Define normal.
You dont know jack about the person posting here, but I agree people with androgen receptor deficiency diseases suffer from the same symptoms as hypogonadal men, very feminine looking, non-pubertal appearance etc.

**stupidhippo** · 04-17-2006, 11:30 AM

I assume if he would have a condition such as u suggested the person would be aware of it. But as for your suggested reasoning behind the expression of AR receptors I do agree. There might be some other x factors too but I do agree with u. Have u read from somewhere that how big is the variance in AR receptor numbers between people. I havent but I assume there is at least some..

**mindongoal** · 04-17-2006, 11:36 AM

just started cycle, i hope i'm a responder..

**Spyder** · 04-17-2006, 11:40 AM

How much weight/strength did you gain so far Skullsmasher?

**guest589745** · 04-17-2006, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by lucabratzi

BUT there were other circumstances that may have prevented me from gainin big weight...ex...i've gained over 40lbs in less then a year...gf stress...shitty sleep...ect...

That could be a problem with me......

**Stackertoo** · 04-17-2006, 12:02 PM

Sounds like those two would be "kick in the nuts" responders.

**biglouie250** · 04-17-2006, 12:03 PM

what week are you in???

**peump** · 04-17-2006, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by kungen1234

Dont state anything without a reliable source to back up your claims *looks at peump*

its not entirely BS, read this link
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...lymorphism.htm

my source is a bookshelf full of medical reference books and other media.

my original post said "literally non-responsive" (keyword: LITERALLY)
even in the link you posted the article only describes different types of RESPONSIVENESS

test is responsible for so much more then just muscle gain
test is already present in the womb to effect the fetus in a number of ways.
If Skullsmasher was LITERALLY non-responsive, then he would not have developed sexually as a fetus; also he would not have gone through puberty, the list goes on and on.

so mr. kungen1234 please don't make assumtions based on a half-ass look at someones post
you took the time to be critical but you didn't have enough respect to take a little time and actually read what i had wrote. hopefully i've been able to straighten you out for future conversations with your peers. I'm sure that they will appreciate your new found etiquette.

**peump** · 04-17-2006, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by kungen1234

Explain to me why some people get worse sideffects off the same dose of testosterone per KG bodyweight than other people?

Explain to me why some people respond better gain-wise to same dose of testosterone per KG bodyweight than other people?

If everyone responded exactly the same to testosterone we could all become Mr. Olympia.

a side-effect is a response
you even say "respond" yourself

therefore how can you argue the existence of a non-responsive situation in terms of mr. skullsmasher

tap the brakes hotrod.........

**1buffsob** · 04-17-2006, 01:28 PM

Some respond better to test than others. But at 7 weeks in, if you're not gaining, something's wrong. If neither diet nor training is off, my bet would be your stressed and/or not getting enough sleep.

1buffsob

***BajanBastard*** · 04-17-2006, 01:34 PM

While it's true that people respond differently to androgens and where are many variables like diet, training, lifestyle etc, to say someone, a male bodybuilder especially, is non responsive to testosterone makes no sense. Dude IMO you got ripped of.

**guest589745** · 04-17-2006, 01:58 PM

Im 7 weeks in and my squat has went up about 70 lbs but, everything else hasnt that much if at all, for those who asked.

thanks again for replies.

I may get stressed out at times but, I still manage to lift and eat pretty good. sleep is so-so with a little child. sometimes great sometiems I have to wake up in the middle of the night 2-3 times.

**guest589745** · 04-17-2006, 01:58 PM

weight is up about 7 lbs but who knows how much is muscle if any

**guest589745** · 04-17-2006, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by kungen1234

people with androgen receptor deficiency diseases suffer from the same symptoms as hypogonadal men, very feminine looking, non-pubertal appearance etc.

Lol, I dont think thats me.