Short burst cycle question?

**doittoit** · 04-18-2006, 08:01 AM

If using all long esters would it still be recommended to go 30 days, or would a week or 2 longer by ok?

Also with a high dosage test what dosage SERM or anti-E would be recommended for somebody who isn't gyno or bloat prone? I was thinking 20mg nolva would be fine without hurting gains, any opinions?

**taiboxa** · 04-18-2006, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by doittoit

If using all long esters would it still be recommended to go 30 days, or would a week or 2 longer by ok?

Also with a high dosage test what dosage SERM or anti-E would be recommended for somebody who isn't gyno or bloat prone? I was thinking 20mg nolva would be fine without hurting gains, any opinions?

if using long esters LOL u want to run alteast 10 weeks more oft then not.. since it will take 4-6 weeks juts for the the BLOOD levels to stabilize

like this.. if ur any good at math/science.. it has a half life .. so lets for simplicity day 3.5days half a week.
u inject every 3.5 days.. the compound at first degrades by half but then u replace that half w/ double.. and wash and repeat .. and as you do it over and over it will eventually platue out around week 4 or 5... thus is pointless
now lets look at short esters acetate, prop, phenylprop
3-4day active life.. like 12hr half?
it this scenerio it would only take 3 days at MOST to get them up to par and running.. hence forth SHORT esters are the ONLY way to go unless u love to throw ur $ out the window.

ur theory on burst cycles needs to be revised and reassesed before running one.

**1buffsob** · 04-18-2006, 08:07 AM

Wow.

I can only imagine a test e and deca cycle for 4 weeks

1buffsob

**ODC0717** · 04-18-2006, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by doittoit

If using all long esters would it still be recommended to go 30 days, or would a week or 2 longer by ok?

Also with a high dosage test what dosage SERM or anti-E would be recommended for somebody who isn't gyno or bloat prone? I was thinking 20mg nolva would be fine without hurting gains, any opinions?

30 days is correct even with long esters. You're also correct on the dosage of nolva. I know Marcur300 is an advocate for short burst cycles. Perhaps he can chime in and give some insight.

**CARNIVORE** · 04-18-2006, 08:22 AM

Bro if u r only running a 4 weeker think of trying these to name a few.

Test Sup
Prop
Tren Ace
NPP
Dbol
Abombs
Trans Creams

Plus u will need PCT

Good luck,
CARNIVORE

**CARNIVORE** · 04-18-2006, 08:30 AM

By the way my next cycle looks like this.....Then after PCT I'm going on a 12 cutter.

Test Sup 100mg (50/50 split) ed 1-4 week
Dbol - 50 mg ed 1-4
NPP - 150mg eod 1-4
Trans EQ - 1-4
Slin - PWO 1-4
HGH - 3ius ed been on for a long time...lol
Letro - 1.25 mg ed 1-4

PCT-
Col
Nol
IGF-1

Hope this may have helped u a bit.

CARNIVORE

**marcus300** · 04-18-2006, 10:10 AM

Yes you can run long esters in a short heavy burst cycle, it all depends on how much mg per day your taking, normally when long esters are used they are used for the first 14-18days then swapped for short esters like prop for the remaining days.

Please before you start such cycle make sure you prime your body beforehand, this will create an very anabolic environment for muscle tissue to grow very quickly.

**MrMent1on** · 04-18-2006, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Yes you can run long esters in a short heavy burst cycle, it all depends on how much mg per day your taking, normally when long esters are used they are used for the first 14-18days then swapped for short esters like prop for the remaining days.

Please before you start such cycle make sure you prime your body beforehand, this will create an very anabolic environment for muscle tissue to grow very quickly.

Exactly how I read it. 2 years ago when I said I was goingot run that cycle I was laughed at. some o fthese people just dont have a clue about short cycles and how much more safer itis than a long cycle. with short cycles if done correct yo ucan do 6 per year with solid gains of 30 lbs for that year (5lbs per cycle). after this competition I'll only do short cycles from now on.

**marcus300** · 04-18-2006, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by MrMent1on

Exactly how I read it. 2 years ago when I said I was goingot run that cycle I was laughed at. some o these people just dont have a clue about short cycles and how much more safer itis than a long cycle. with short cycles if done correct yo ucan do 6 per year with solid gains of 30 lbs for that year (5lbs per cycle). after this competition I'll only do short cycles from now on.

correct knowledge and experience and knowing your own body is vital to making short heavy cycles work, ive done alot of research around this subject and and i always come back to this way of cycling, the gains are far more keepable and maintainable.
check out my thread on the subject loads of info on it, also with any short cycle weather heavy/light or standard priming is a upmost thing you must do to experience fast muscle tissue gains.

**doittoit** · 04-18-2006, 05:19 PM

I have been debating to use this right after my comp, because like u stated Marcus my body will be primed. I also agree with MrMent1on, from my limited cycle experience I've always found growth occurs for 8 weeks max even with the long esters. Marcus u stated before that the body grows in spurts, I totally agree with this theory as well. I've used high doses of drug, with near perfect training and very high cals, and i couln't gain an ounce no matter what i did, not even fat! More and more I'm leaning towards this short cycle deal, I think it holds merit.

Marcus can u send me a pm on some ideas on dosage i should run for test enth? My comp cycle right now is my heaviest cycle to date...1.5 g test, 1.5g tren , 150 mg ED winny, any thought appreciated.