Why Is There No Undisputed Champion of AI's?

**magic32** · 04-19-2006, 01:44 PM

Before you answer based on personal preferences, research, consensus or side effects please consider this...

“SOME ESTROGEN IS DESIRABLE DURING CYCLE.”
This is a TRUE statement, from both immunological and muscle development perspectives. Now let's look at the "Tale of the Tape".

BOUT ONE:

UNDERCARD

Ferma (Letro 30mL 2.5mg/mL) vs. Anastrozole (LiquiDex 30mL 1mg/mL)

AR PROFILE EXCERPT:

In one study, both .5mg and 1mg doses of Arimidex were shown to decrease estrogen by roughly 50%. The 1mg/day dose also increased testosterone levels by 58%.

Also, Arimidex is just over 80% effective at inhibiting aromatase (3).

Analyst:
Arimidex provides anywhere from 50% to 80% inhibition effectiveness, and at .25 to .5mgs ED (most use the former) it’s safe and relatively inexpensive.
Easy to see how it's a top contender with so many KO's Joe.

Commentator Joe:
Yeah but, according to the ARR product description:

Femara is 10-30x more effective than Arimidex in it's ability to pass thru the cell membrane of lipid (fat) cells and inhibit the activity of romatase -- in other words, Femara is far superior in lowering estrogen levels in fat cells. This has two benefits for BBs; (1) Estrogen 'attracts' water, so less water retention (2) an average male BB is around 10%BF, that's a lot of lipid cells with aromatase inside them, so a substantial percentage of aromatase is left untouched by Arimidex due to it's poor ability to enter lipid cells Arimidex is approximately 80% effective at inhibiting aromatase, Femara is around 95-97%.

10-30x…that’s a lot of variance. But it does support, and make since in light of the L-dex 50-80% range of inhibition claim.

COMPUBOX SCORES: More blows landed by Ferma.

Commentator Joe:
Let's see how the judges scored this one.

Judge 1...Cost...negligible (same price at ARR), he rules...a draw.
Judge 2...Dose...negligible, he rules...a draw.
Referee Marty Jenkins...Effectiveness...Ferma's 95-97% is significantly greater than the ball park 50-80% of L-dex, he rules...Ferma.

And now...Ladies and gentlemen, and fight fans from around the world. Welcome to tonight's Main Event...between the number one contenderrrrr...Fermaa. And the reigning heavyweight champion of the world "Arooomasin".

...Let's get ready to RUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE!

Analyst:
Both guys look good tonight.

Commentator Joe:
Aromasin is the heavy favorite coming into this one, he rarely boxes and is usually spoken of only in folklore right up there with Nessie, Sasquatch, and the Abominable Snowman.

Analyst:
Yeah, you don't see too much of him. But hold on to your hats folks, cuz we've got him here tonight and you're in for a real treat. Don’t leave your seat or even blink for that matter.

Comentator Joe:
That's right both of these guys are packing big time power. This one could be just that quickly.

BOUT TWO:

MAIN EVENT
AROMASIN (15-25mgs ED) vs. Ferma (Letro 30mL 2.5mg/mL)

Profile Excerpt:

Aromasin (Exemestane)is a steroidal suicide aromatase inhibitor, which means that it lowers estrogen production in the body by blocking the aromatase enzyme, the enzyme responsible for estrogen synthesization. (1)(2)(3)

Aromasin averages an 85% rate of estrogen suppression (4), so it’s clearly a very effective agent for bodybuilders and other athletes wanting to avoid estrogen related side effects such as gyno, acne, or water-retention brought on by aromatizing steroids . Specifically, Exemestane dose this by selectively inhibiting aromatase activity in a time-dependent and irreversible manner (hence the “suicidal” portion of it’s name, I guess).(7)…

… The ability of exemestane to lower estrogen levels by the aforementioned 85% makes it a very nice choice for use in any cycle where aromatizing steroids are used. In addition, since it’s not too harsh at all on blood lipid profiles, it’s a very good choice for longer cycles. It’s ability to raise both testosterone levels also seem to suggest that it would be a very nice addition to a Post-Cycle-Therapy (PCT).

COMPUBOX SCORES: More blows landed by Ferma.

Analyst:
Judges' renderings are just about in, how'd you see it Joe.

Commentator Joe:
I had Ferma leading throughout maybe losing four rounds in middle of the fight. The judges are ready.

Judge 1...Cost...Aromasin is more obscure and often substantially more expensive (unless powder is purchased, which is more rare), he rules...Ferma.
Judge 2...Dose...No contest here, Ferma requires a signifcantly lower dose resulting in less incidence of sides, he rules...Ferma.
Referee Marty Jenkins...Effectiveness...Ferma's 95-97% edges out Aromasin's 85%, he rules...Ferma.

Commentator Joe:
You heard it folks we have a new and undisputed heavyweight champion crowned right here in the Anabolic Review. Maybe we can get a word from the champ.

Analyst wrap up:
No Joe, he's being ushered into the locker room, but it was a clean fight, well officiated and we thank you for joining us this evening. I hope this juxtaposed information will garner better comments as you answer these questions:

Do you agree with the judges, why or why not?
What have you used, and why?
What will you use next?
Was this fight helpful to you?

Okay, so this proves I have way too much time on my hands at work, but I still want to know what you guys think. I typically spend 80% of the work day writing one of my two screenplays, but didn't feel up to it. Comments on the fight?

M.

**marcus300** · 04-19-2006, 01:47 PM

Have you swallowed a dictionary? lol

**novicenovicen** · 04-19-2006, 01:52 PM

great read, entertaining and educational.

**Swifto** · 04-19-2006, 01:59 PM

I'd choose Aromasin over any other AI but its too expensive for me right now. That and Testolactone...But that isnt an AI...

**novicenovicen** · 04-19-2006, 02:02 PM

I'm goin with letro. it suposed to help testosterone also, If I'm reading correctly.

**magic32** · 04-19-2006, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by novicenovicen

I'm goin with letro. it suposed to help testosterone also, If I'm reading correctly.

So does Aromasin .

Aromasin (Exemestane)is a steroidal suicide aromatase inhibitor, which means that it lowers estrogen production in the body by blocking the aromatase enzyme, the enzyme responsible for estrogen synthesization. (1)(2)(3)

Aromasin averages an 85% rate of estrogen suppression (4), so it’s clearly a very effective agent for bodybuilders and other athletes wanting to avoid estrogen related side effects such as gyno, acne, or water-retention brought on by aromatizing steroids . Specifically, Exemestane dose this by selectively inhibiting aromatase activity in a time-dependent and irreversible manner (hence the “suicidal” portion of it’s name, I guess).(7)…

… The ability of exemestane to lower estrogen levels by the aforementioned 85% makes it a very nice choice for use in any cycle where aromatizing steroids are used. In addition, since it’s not too harsh at all on blood lipid profiles, it’s a very good choice for longer cycles. It’s ability to raise both testosterone levels also seem to suggest that it would be a very nice addition to a Post-Cycle-Therapy (PCT).

M.

**marcus300** · 04-19-2006, 02:14 PM

Nice thread...............

**shadyadam** · 04-19-2006, 02:22 PM

Great read, the way you wrote it keep't it from being boring!

**swole25** · 04-19-2006, 02:23 PM

actually, the liquidex is cheaper than the letro at the same .25-.5 mg dose since the liquidex is 1mg per mL, 30 mL and the letro is 2.5mg per mL, 30 mL. so you would have more doses of letro than liquidex for the same amount of money.

**Streaker** · 04-19-2006, 02:24 PM

What about letro's negative effects on sex drive?

**AnabolicAndre** · 04-19-2006, 02:26 PM

Dude that was phenominal!!!

You should be a sports commentator

**SMAN12b** · 04-19-2006, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by magic32

Before you answer based on personal preferences, research, consensus or side effects please consider this...

“SOME ESTROGEN IS DESIRABLE DURING CYCLE.”
This is a TRUE statement, from both immunological and muscle development perspectives. Now let's look at the "Tale of the Tape".

BOUT ONE:

UNDERCARD

Ferma (Letro 30mL 2.5mg/mL) vs. Anastrozole (LiquiDex 30mL 1mg/mL)

AR PROFILE EXCERPT:

Analyst:
Arimidex provides anywhere from 50% to 80% inhibition effectiveness, and at .25 to .5mgs ED (most use the former) it’s safe and relatively inexpensive.
Easy to see how it's a top contender with so many KO's Joe.

Commentator Joe:
Yeah but, according to the ARR product description:

COMPUBOX SCORES: More blows landed by Ferma.

Commentator Joe:
Let's see how the judges scored this one.

Judge 1...Cost...neglible (same price at ARR), he rules...a draw.
Judge 2...Dose...neglible, he rules...a draw.
Referee Marty Jenkins...Effectiveness...Ferma's 95-97% is significantly greater than the ball park 50-80% of L-dex, he rules...Ferma.

And now...Ladies and gentlemen, and fight fans from around the world. Welcome to tonight's Main Event...between the number one contenderrrrr...Fermaa. And the reigning heavyweight champion of the world "Arooomasin".

...Let's get ready to RUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE!

Analyst:
Both guys look good tonight.

Commentator Joe:
Aromasin is the heavy favorite coming into this one, he rarely boxes and is usually spoken of only in folklore right up there with Nessie, Sasquatch, and the Abominable Snowman.

Analyst:
Yeah, you don't see too much of him. But hold on to your hats folks, cuz we've got him here tonight and you're in for a real treat. Don’t leave your seat or even blink for that matter.

Comentator Joe:
That's right both of these guys are packing big time power. This one could be just that quickly.

BOUT TWO:

MAIN EVENT
AROMASIN (15-25mgs ED) vs. Ferma (Letro 30mL 2.5mg/mL)

Profile Excerpt:

COMPUBOX SCORES: More blows landed by Ferma.

Analyst:
Judges' renderings are just about in, how'd you see it Joe.

Commentator Joe:
I had Ferma leading throughout maybe losing four rounds in middle of the fight. The judges are ready.

Judge 1...Cost...Aromasin is more obscure and often substantially more expensive (unless powder is purchased, which is more rare), he rules...Ferma.
Judge 2...Dose...No contest here, Ferma requires a signifcantly lower dose resulting in less incidence of sides, he rules...Ferma.
Referee Marty Jenkins...Effectiveness...Ferma's 95-97% edges out Aromasin's 85%, he rules...Ferma.

Commentator Joe:
You heard it folks we have a new and undisputed heavyweight champion crowned right here in the Anabolic Review. Maybe we can get a word from the champ.

Analyst wrap up:
No Joe, he's being ushered into the locker room, but it was a clean fight, well officiated and we thank you for joining us this evening. I hope this juxtaposed information will garner better comments as you answer these questions:

Do you agree with the judges, why or why not?
What have you used, and why?
What will you use next?
Was this fight helpful to you?

Okay, so this proves I have way too much time on my hands at work, but I still want to know what you guys think. I typically spend 80% of the work day writing one of my two screenplays, but didn't feel up to it. Comments on the fight?

M.

DAMNNNNNN !!!!:

That was one hell of a fight!! How can I get front row tickets to the next match ??? Thanks much for the info and YES you have WAY too much time on your hands (THANK GOD !!!)

**magic32** · 04-20-2006, 10:38 AM

AnabolicAndre:
Dude that was phenominal!!!

You should be a sports commentator

SMAN12B
DAMNNNNNN !!!!: That was one hell of a fight!! How can I get front row tickets to the next match ??? Thanks much for the info and YES you have WAY too much time on your hands (THANK GOD !!!)

Thanks, now you see why I admitted it in advance. As I stated, I’m blessed with a job that demands little of my time yet pays a premium for it, thus freeing me up to pursue my passion which is screenwriting. Glad you enjoyed it.

Swole25
actually, the liquidex is cheaper than the letro at the same .25-.5 mg dose since the liquidex is 1mg per mL, 30 mL and the letro is 2.5mg per mL, 30 mL. so you would have more doses of letro than liquidex for the same amount of money.

Maybe you should read more closely. I rarely misspeak, but when I do I’m certainly big enough to admit it. The I (the judge) said “negligible” not equal, acknowledging the somewhat cheaper cost.

PLEASE STATE YOUR PREFERENCES AND WHY, THANK YOU ALL!

M.

**Liftnainez** · 04-20-2006, 10:40 AM

great post.. but like stated above how about letros effect on sex drive??

**Stackertoo** · 04-20-2006, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Streaker

What about letro's negative effects on sex drive?

Yes. The real "Tale of the Tape"
Funny as hell and well written, but I gotta stick with L-Dex. Sorry, champ..

**Stackertoo** · 04-20-2006, 10:46 AM

And Magic, you and Meso have my two favorite avatars. How is that for diversity? Hijack over. (Sorry 'bout that)

**jad1st** · 04-20-2006, 10:50 AM

Aromasin is far better than letro because it doesnt rebound estrogen levels so much and doesnt require a tapering period. It isnt as bad on cholestoral levels because it dosnt totally deminish the estrogen in the body like letro
also aromasin is way cheaper than letro and arimedex for me.(arnt i the luckyone)

**magic32** · 04-20-2006, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Stackertoo

And Magic, you and Meso have my two favorite avatars. How is that for diversity? Hijack over. (Sorry 'bout that)

That's diversity alright. I alternate between Earvin "Magic" Johnson and Tuco. What a great movie...The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly. My two are romantic comedies, one with mythical qualities...involves Cupid and at least in the intro Mt. Olympus.

Liftnainez - great post.. but like stated above how about letros effect on sex drive??

Yes. The real "Tale of the Tape"
Funny as hell and well written, but I gotta stick with L-Dex. Sorry, champ..

Not familiar with that Letro side effect.

I'm preparing to order now and wanted to solicit some forum input, any others?
I'M LEANING TOWARDS AROMASIN PERSONALLY.

M.

**Stackertoo** · 04-20-2006, 11:09 AM

I started this cycle with letro. I am running 100mg Prop ED, 100mg Enth EOD, and 50mg TrenED. I was wondering why I wasn't horny as hell after a week in. It did not wipe out my sex drive, but there was not that boost I always get. I switched to Arimidex and within days I was ready to hump the furniture. This is the first time I had used letro enough to do this. It seems pretty cut and dry what the cause was.

Originally Posted by magic32

That's diversity alright. I alternate between Earvin "Magic" Johnson and Tuco. What a great movie...The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly. My two are romantic comedies, one with mythical qualities...involves Cupid and at least in the intro Mt. Olympus.

Not familiar with that Letro side effect. Thanks for you input, any others?

M.

**magic32** · 04-20-2006, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Stackertoo

I started this cycle with letro. I am running 100mg Prop ED, 100mg Enth EOD, and 50mg TrenED. I was wondering why I wasn't horny as hell after a week in. It did not wipe out my sex drive, but there was not that boost I always get. I switched to Arimidex and within days I was ready to hump the furniture. This is the first time I had used letro enough to do this. It seems pretty cut and dry what the cause was.

Seems like sound reasoning to me, if all other things were constant?

Definitely an overlooked component in Arimidex 's arsenal. Maybe there will be a return bout as you alluded to earlier in thread. Fans might like to see Arimidex vs. Aromasin

, or in a rematch with the newly crowned Letro

. New info is like watching fight film, it changes things. Thanks.

I always liked L-dex, never tried Letro, still leaning toward Aromasin this trip, I'd like to see how I react.

M.

**magic32** · 04-20-2006, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Stackertoo

I started this cycle with letro. I am running 100mg Prop ED, 100mg Enth EOD, and 50mg TrenED. I was wondering why I wasn't horny as hell after a week in. It did not wipe out my sex drive, but there was not that boost I always get. I switched to Arimidex and within days I was ready to hump the furniture. This is the first time I had used letro enough to do this. It seems pretty cut and dry what the cause was.

Stackertoo,

C Bino
Letro and your sex drive:
Letrozole will suppress your sex drive. This is another reason why it is so important to act on preventing gyno as soon as possible. Since we all know that Test should be run in every cycle this will cancel out the effect of sex drive suppression.

Excerpt from: All you need to know about GYNO.

M.

**swole25** · 04-25-2006, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by magic32

Thanks, now you see why I admitted it in advance. As I stated, I’m blessed with a job that demands little of my time yet pays a premium for it, thus freeing me up to pursue my passion which is screenwriting. Glad you enjoyed it.

Maybe you should read more closely. I rarely misspeak, but when I do I’m certainly big enough to admit it. The I (the judge) said “negligible” not equal, acknowledging the somewhat cheaper cost.

PLEASE STATE YOUR PREFERENCES AND WHY, THANK YOU ALL!

M.

so you're saying it's a "negligible" difference between 120 doses of liquidex and 300 equal doses of letro for the same price? that's a pretty big difference to me, almost half price when you look at it. maybe you should be a big man and admit your mistake.

**magic32** · 04-25-2006, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by swole25

so you're saying it's a "negligible" difference between 120 doses of liquidex and 300 equal doses of letro for the same price? that's a pretty big difference to me, almost half price when you look at it. maybe you should be a big man and admit your mistake.

I forgot to take into account the different serving sizes/required doses of each.
MY MISTAKE.

M.

**swole25** · 04-26-2006, 09:44 PM

it's cool, i'm not out trying to be a smart ass. just trying to say that letro is the better deal to some people even though i prefer l-dex due to it not affecting the sex drive. great write up anyway!