About to do my first cycle. Need advice. Win + Parabolan

[spasov]

Hi guys. I'm 20 years old, training for 3 years now. 175 cm, 65 kg, 18.8 % body fat. I want to gain an extra 10 kg of pure mass without water retention and to keep it after the cycle. I especially need to avoid gyno. After consulting some people I was offered a 10 week cycle being the following:
25 mg/day Parabolan every day
100 mg Winstrol depot every second day
PCT is also provided.
My question is can I achieve my goal with this cycle or maybe I should try something else? Thank you!

[almostgone]

..Personally, I'd wait for a few years, but definitely wouldn't run your cycle..
I'd try something else that has testosterone in it..If it's your first cycle test enan would work well....unless you want to WAIT FOR A FEW YEARS.......

...Look at the sticky @ the top of the page entitled "Cycles for the Newbie"...



AG

[almostgone]

..here it is...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=120894

[vitor]

If you want to do an cycle with no bloating, Tren/winny cant be beat. Trenbolone could only promote gyno if estrogen-levels gets to high, which wont be an issue with this combo.

Tren 50mgs ed
winny 50mgs ed or 100mgs eod

[almostgone]

..I wouldn't dream of running a 19-nor without some form of test.....

AG

[spasov]

thanks a lot guys but... Who is more right??? Could you please answer my direct question. Will I reach my goal with this cycle

[almostgone]

..that's why researching on your own is so important.....also, please go read the thread I posted the link to.......

AG

[vitor]

Well you could use a little test in there, for libido and stuff. Ive run Tren without test and been fine, but I know others who wouldnt.

[BUYLONGTERM]

..I wouldn't dream of running a 19-nor without some form of test.....

AG

Couldn't agree more!

[BUYLONGTERM]

If you want to do an cycle with no bloating, Tren/winny cant be beat. Trenbolone could only promote gyno if estrogen-levels gets to high, which wont be an issue with this combo.

Tren 50mgs ed
winny 50mgs ed or 100mgs eod

I would STRONGLY not recommend running TREN for a first cycle, especially to a kid who is only 20 years old!!!!

[BUYLONGTERM]

Hi guys. I'm 20 years old, training for 3 years now. 175 cm, 65 kg, 18.8 % body fat. I want to gain an extra 10 kg of pure mass without water retention and to keep it after the cycle. I especially need to avoid gyno. After consulting some people I was offered a 10 week cycle being the following:
25 mg/day Parabolan every day
100 mg Winstrol depot every second day
PCT is also provided.
My question is can I achieve my goal with this cycle or maybe I should try something else? Thank you!

You need to do more research. If bloating is an issue, all you need to do is add something like ldex. 10 weeks of Winstrol? Man, I hope you like your joints because they are going to be in some serious pain. Winstrol should be used at the end of a cycle to help keep gains. It should only be run for 6 weeks. Spend the next several months doing research. At your age, you should be able to hit your goals naturally!

[spasov]

Yeah, I read the article. Thanks. But aren't I risking gyno from testosterione?

[BUYLONGTERM]

Yeah, I read the article. Thanks. But aren't I risking gyno from testosterione?

Everyone takes risks with Testosterone. I can take up to 2 grams of it and have NO issues. Everyone is different. If you think you could have issues, all you need to do is run an Anti-Esgtrogen.(Nolvadex). If you could handle ED shots, then I would recommend running Test Prop. Less BLOAT.

[almostgone]

Yeah, I read the article. Thanks. But aren't I risking gyno from testosterione?

....There are SERM's and AI's to help with that...

[vitor]

Yeah, I read the article. Thanks. But aren't I risking gyno from testosterione?

Yes, unless you use an anti-estrogen. If you end up running test/tren, I suggest you use an AI to. Trenbolone have some Progesterone activity, which can be fired up, if to much estrogen is present. If Tren is used without Test, or any other aromatise compound, gyno would be very unlikely. Even if you dont use an AI.

Some people say Tren shouldnt be run for a first cycle. Personally I dont get any sides with Tren. Yust do more research and find out whats right for you.

[spasov]

but I'll have water retention with test, right? Because I do not want it. I want to pack some weight and keep it after the cycle. 7-8 kilograms is OK with me. But I'm talking about pure muscle

[longhorn814]

water retention can easily be handled with an aromatase inhibitor such as arimidex!! Personally I get no bloat on test even on a gram a week, but then again everyone is different. Research, research, research! It cant be emphasized enough. Testosterone should be the base of most steroid cycles, especially if you run tren. Tren can produce some harsh sides and isnt recommended for a first cycle.

[dragon69]

Research, research, research! It cant be emphasized enough. Testosterone should be the base of most steroid cycles, especially if you run tren. Tren can produce some harsh sides and isnt recommended for a first cycle.

I agree here w this completely. Tren has effects (sides are person dependant) that can be countered w test. I personally suffered depression w tren and it lasted for months afterwards and needed to up my test to adjust my mood and mind.

Spend the next several months doing research. At your age, you should be able to hit your goals naturally!.

AMEN! yes your hormonal levels at 20 are skyhigh and gear will only shut that off for you.....you'd just be replacing what is already there.....kinda stupid don't you think?!
You should be able to grow well if your training is good enough. If not then adjust training. I busted my ass w powerlifting and had a 500lb bench/315 sh press/400 row by 26 w/o gear at all. Arms were over 20" cold too.
I waited till 36 for 1st cycle. Still am the largest guy and strongest guy in my gym and pretty well all gyms I know of w having only done 1 cycle. Its my training that I credit.....and most guys who do gear in the 1st place usually have no clue how to train.
You are too young and inexperienced w training to start this. You're gonna wreck your body IMO.

I would STRONGLY not recommend running TREN for a first cycle, especially to a kid who is only 20 years old!!!!!.

You will hear this alot here, it's the BEST advice you could get, do yourself a favour and take it.

[dragon69]

oh and might I add that my 1st cycle (@36 yr old) was also a cutting cycle. I also did it to help repair some tissues damaged in an MVA year back.
Training is the way to go dude.

Better off using those natural hormones grow from heavy duty training..... and to hammer as many chicks as possible.....which you might lose forever if you do a cycle at your age.

[d2000honda]

what up eveybody

[dragon69]

If you want to do an cycle with no bloating, Tren/winny cant be beat. Trenbolone could only promote gyno if estrogen-levels gets to high, which wont be an issue with this combo.

Tren 50mgs ed
winny 50mgs ed or 100mgs eod

FYI
tren can cause galactorhea however (gyno-like) due to increased prolactin levels. B6 can help but really T3 is best.

[spasov]

Look guys, thank you very much for the information. I really train very hard and haven't missed a single workout for the last three years. I also watch over my diet and rest. I eat 6 times per day. I eat only good stuff and also take supplements to ensure 2 grams of protein per kg of weight daily and about 2000-2300 calories. I sleep at least 8 hours per dat with very rare exceptions. I do not smoke and drink very very rarely. I do not want to give you the impression that I am some novice looking for a fast success without knowing the risks behind it and the difficulties to keep what you have gained during the cycle. I have been considering taking steroids for about 5 months now and I think that I will do it. What you can do is help me do it right with least possible risk for myself and for this I would be very grateful. I have friends my age who have done over 5 cycles already, now this is really stupid, I know. But try to put yourself in my shoes. I'm going for a single cycle, trust me that's it! I'm sure. That's why I want to keep what I gain.

[longhorn814]

But try to put yourself in my shoes. I'm going for a single cycle, trust me that's it! I'm sure. That's why I want to keep what I gain.

nobody does just one cycle!! A lot of people have said the same thing, but they always do more. As long as you cycle correctly, i really dont see a problem with doing more than one.

I would up your calories first. 2000 calories is too little to put on any muscle size. You need at least 3000 calories.

[dj_ownurass]

I suggest atleast lowering your BF% dude. 18% is way too high to even consider a cycle, try dropping down to atleast less than 12% before starting.

Once your BF% is in check try out a simple Test only cycle. Maybe kick start it off with some dbol or prop and there ya have it!