Revised Cycle

**eljugo16** · 04-21-2006, 07:11 PM

ok guys after taking all of your advice this is what im going to do.

Test E: weeks 1-12 500mgs a week
Winny: weeks 7-12 50mgs ED
I will run clomids for 3 weeks starting from 300mg down through 50mg.

any ideas what results will look like?

**peump** · 04-21-2006, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by eljugo16

ok guys after taking all of your advice this is what im going to do.

Test E: weeks 1-12 500mgs a week
Winny: weeks 7-12 50mgs ED
I will run clomids for 3 weeks starting from 300mg down through 50mg.

any ideas what results will look like?

the results will depend on your
diet
workout intensity &
rest

best wishes, let us know how things work out for you

**Kale** · 04-21-2006, 07:17 PM

What are your stats amd workout experince

**eljugo16** · 04-22-2006, 11:14 AM

my stats are 5'8 185 about 15% body fat
i'v been training hard for about 3 years

my diet is in check and i train as hard as possible

**hosam4ever** · 04-22-2006, 01:08 PM

keep us updated

**marcus300** · 04-22-2006, 01:12 PM

What is your cycle history?

Looking at your cycle id start the winny on wk 9 -14 up to start of pct time, need to know your cycle history first tho.

**Booz** · 04-22-2006, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

What is your cycle history?

Looking at your cycle id start the winny on wk 9 -14 up to start of pct time, need to know your cycle history first tho.

ditto on both counts............

**eljugo16** · 04-23-2006, 02:57 AM

this is my second cycle my first was dbol for 3 weeks at 30mgs ED and 300mgs at Test E for 10 weeks
i know this wasn't a good cycle but i was inexperienced before and to my disadvantage didn't do much research. now is about a year later and am A LOT more informed. so booz, marcus any editing to my cycle or is it about right? i need to get leaner but would really like to keep the test E.

**stocky121** · 04-23-2006, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by eljugo16

this is my second cycle my first was dbol for 3 weeks at 30mgs ED and 300mgs at Test E for 10 weeks
i know this wasn't a good cycle but i was inexperienced before and to my disadvantage didn't do much research. now is about a year later and am A LOT more informed. so booz, marcus any editing to my cycle or is it about right? i need to get leaner but would really like to keep the test E.

it aint that bad for a first cycle i've seen much worse.

but i'am with marcus run winny up to the start of pct week 9-14

**eljugo16** · 04-23-2006, 03:07 AM

so when are you exactly telling me to start my pct?

**stocky121** · 04-23-2006, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by eljugo16

so when are you exactly telling me to start my pct?

start pct 14 day's after your last test e shot. and stop the winny 24 hours before PCT

**juiceboxxx** · 04-23-2006, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by eljugo16

ok guys after taking all of your advice this is what im going to do.

Test E: weeks 1-12 500mgs a week
Winny: weeks 7-12 50mgs ED
I will run clomids for 3 weeks starting from 300mg down through 50mg.

any ideas what results will look like?

300mgs of clomid is too much (even for a 1st day)
day 1-10 100mgs/ed
day 2-21 50mgs/ed

How old are you? you never mentioned your age. You have completed a cycle and you are 185lbs?

hmm... what were your stats before and after your 1st cycle?

**juiceboxxx** · 04-23-2006, 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by eljugo16

my stats are 5'8 185 about 15% body fat
i'v been training hard for about 3 years

my diet is in check and i train as hard as possible

I hope your not over training by this comment you stated.

**eljugo16** · 04-23-2006, 03:13 AM

im 21 and weighed about 165. my 1st cycle was way over a year ago that is why im at 185 right now

**eljugo16** · 04-23-2006, 03:13 AM

no bro thanks for asking i know my limits and resting is just as important as training

**juiceboxxx** · 04-23-2006, 03:17 AM

Originally Posted by eljugo16

im 21 and weighed about 165. my 1st cycle was way over a year ago that is why im at 185 right now

Your too young. I would stay of the gear for another 2 years atleast. (just my opinion)

**eljugo16** · 04-23-2006, 03:18 AM

lol thanks for the advice but im def both mentally n physically ready.
THERES NO STOPPING ME NOW!!! LOL

**juiceboxxx** · 04-23-2006, 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by eljugo16

lol thanks for the advice but im def both mentally n physically ready.
THERES NO STOPPING ME NOW!!! LOL

if you say soo...so what is your goal for the cycle?

**eljugo16** · 04-23-2006, 03:23 AM

gain some very lean mass

**juiceboxxx** · 04-23-2006, 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by eljugo16

gain some very lean mass

I ment to say you have a weight in mind to hit?

**eljugo16** · 04-23-2006, 03:34 AM

hopefully 200 what you think?

**juiceboxxx** · 04-23-2006, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by eljugo16

hopefully 200 what you think?

Its possible....though remaining 200 after pct will entirly depond on your diet & training.

15 lbs? to me its a waste of money and I'd hit it natty and you will achieve this goal i about 3 months toops (if even that, with a proper diet & training).

It will just be a waste of money, increase of side effects and much much more!!

It seems like you got your mind made up so go ahead. I f I were you I'd take away the winny and add..........either.....

D-bol 30mgs/ed week 1-4

OR.......

Deca 300mgs/week 1-10

If your goal is to gain some very lean mass then deca or d-bol would help you achieve your goals much better as oppose to winny.

**Kale** · 04-23-2006, 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by juiceboxxx

300mgs of clomid is too much (even for a 1st day)
day 1-10 100mgs/ed
day 2-21 50mgs/ed

How old are you? you never mentioned your age. You have completed a cycle and you are 185lbs?

hmm... what were your stats before and after your 1st cycle?

300 mg Day 1 is standard PCT protocol

**juiceboxxx** · 04-23-2006, 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by Kale

300 mg Day 1 is standard PCT protocol

I know I know, its even listed and recomended on the main page. I believe it's too much. Speaking from other peoples personal experiences I was told it is better to run clomid for......

day 1-10 100mgs/ed
day 2-21 50mgs/ed

you could run 300mgs day 1 it doesn't make THAT much of a difference. Just safer this way (in my opinion) and same results kept (from what I've heard & seen)

**eljugo16** · 04-23-2006, 04:01 AM

kale any comments on the cycle to get lean? im thinking about throwing some var in the mix. what do you think?

**Kale** · 04-23-2006, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by juiceboxxx

I know I know, its even listed and recomended on the main page. I believe it's too much. Speaking from other peoples personal experiences I was told it is better to run clomid for......

day 1-10 100mgs/ed
day 2-21 50mgs/ed

you could run 300mgs day 1 it doesn't make THAT much of a difference. Just safer this way (in my opinion) and same results kept (from what I've heard & seen)

Frankly if you want to give advice here you should be doing it from some experience and not what other people have told you. I notice from your profile you have never juiced so be very carefull. I never give advice on anything I have not tried myself.

**juiceboxxx** · 04-23-2006, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by Kale

Frankly if you want to give advice here you should be doing it from some experience and not what other people have told you. I notice from your profile you have never juiced so be very carefull. I never give advice on anything I have not tried myself.

in a way your right...though seeing other peoples experience meaning buddys of mine at the gym and I hear the same I take it its right,

Tell me something bro is it that big of a deal, YOU think instead of shooting 300mgs/on the 1st day as oppose to 100mgs, do you think this will make that much of a difference?

Experiences plays a big factor of course but so does experiencs of others your VERY close with plus facts on what you read/have seen.

I think your just making it into something bigger then it actually is....lets stay on topic.

**Kale** · 04-23-2006, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by juiceboxxx

in a way your right...though seeing other peoples experience meaning buddys of mine at the gym and I hear the same I take it its right,

Tell me something bro is it that big of a deal, YOU think instead of shooting 300mgs/on the 1st day to do 100mgs?

Experiences plays a big factor of course but so does experiencs of others your VERY close with plus facts on what you read/have seen.

I think your just making it into something bigger then it actually is....lets stay on topic.

First of all you dont SHOOT Clomid you take it Oraly. I am simply stating that 300mg on the first Day is the recommended dosage in the steroid profile and that dose has worked for me with no sides. Sure you can experiment with it but I would rather take the advice of other experienced people who have done that dose and it worked for them, I have tried it and it worked for me.

**juiceboxxx** · 04-23-2006, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by Kale

First of all you dont SHOOT Clomid you take it Oraly. I am simply stating that 300mg on the first Day is the recommended dosage in the steroid profile and that dose has worked for me with no sides. Sure you can experiment with it but I would rather take the advice of other experienced people who have done that dose and it worked for them, I have tried it and it worked for me.

shit sorry bro I must be extremly tired...been working a long shift. That was a typo (I know you take it oraly).

I know what you mean. Its just a differencial of 200mgs for 1 day not even a week or 10 weeks or anything like that. That's why I said its not THAT big of a deal and of course yes you can experiment it.

It may have worked great for you at 300mgs/week and also it worked great for people I know at 100mgs/week. Soo...NO BIGGY....