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Thread: Dan Duchaine's Theory of post AR mediated growth

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    Dan Duchaine's Theory of post AR mediated growth

    Originally posted on another board so I don't know if it made it's way here or not... appologize if this is a repost
    be prepared, it's a long read:
    I am in the process of wrapping up a short 8 week bulker. I've
    always been interested in Duchaine's Theory of Post AR Mediated
    Growth and what I understand of it, that I tried it during this
    cycle. However, I'm not a reckless Duchaine. Much time and energy
    went into researching every possible aspect of this cycle theory. I
    am not afraid of being a guinea pig as long as I'm an informed
    guinea pig. For those of you who don't know, Duchaine's Theory
    states that at supraphysiological levels of AAS (especially test)
    another growth pathway opens. This is achieved by reaching levels
    of 4g-10g of AAS per week. Unfortunately the theory is somewhat
    incomplete. I say this because even though Duchaine tested this
    many times, he died before he had a chance to get his entire theory
    in writing. Information is very hard to find and the biochemistry
    behind the new pathway can't be found (at least I can't find it).
    IMO this is not what killed him although after doing it hundreds of
    times it certainly could have been a factor. I think what
    ultimately killed Duchaine is the fact that he was the world's best
    AAS/performance enhancing drug guinea pig. Finally things caught up
    with him and may he rest in peace.


    Anyway, I decided to give this theory a simple test. After
    gathering all the research I possibly could, studying, talking with
    other bbers, etc, I began my experiment. My 8 week bulker was run
    as a standard pyramid with the middle four weeks at
    supraphysiological levels. I quickly ramped up to the dosages I
    took and then quickly came back down. I'm currently in week 8
    preparing for PCT.


    During the middle 4 weeks my dosages were as follows: 2.5g test
    enan/week, 1g sust/week, 800mg deca /week, 150mg finaprop EOD, and
    50mg dbol ED. Approx 4.5-5g of AAS per week.


    Results: IMO there is another growth pathway that exists at huge
    levels of AAS administration. My receptors had to have been
    supersaturated, yet my gains were incredible. For instance at week
    5, I was up 35lbs. On week six I started T3 and will run it through
    week 9. Right now at week 8 I'm up 45lbs, and I'm continuing to
    grow albeit slower because of the fat burning of T3 and my down
    ramp.


    Thoughts: I'm 100% positive that there is another growth pathway
    involved with high AAS administration. The short 4 week "super"
    cycle was hard on my body but not as hard as I expected it to be.
    My only side was an increase in my BP top number occasionally,
    which would not be uncommon under the load I was taking. I will
    shortly add all my ancies, supps, etc which I know helped keep
    everything together. I'm trying to get this all down so the bbing
    community has it. I wish I knew more about the biochemical pathways
    of the body. I'm certain the new pathway opens due to dose. I wish
    I could explain how the new pathway works. I wish I could explain
    what comprises the pathway. In the future, I would not be opposed
    to running this again with similar AAS (maybe a few changes) for a
    longer period of time. I'd like to run for 8 consecutive weeks at 6-
    7g per week with an up ramp and a down ramp. I'd like to run for 16
    weeks. However I will not be doing another for quite sometime to
    let my body readjust. Currently I will still cycle, but not using
    Duchaine's theory (much lower dosages). I would like to wait at
    least 9-12 months before attempting this again. I will get blood
    work done this time every week. I also would like your guys'/gals'
    help. I need help finding a biochemical engineer or a biomedical
    engineer, etc who is familiar with AAS that would be interested in
    tracking progress during my next "super" cycle. I would like to
    find out and explain this new pathway.


    Ancies/Supplements: During my entire cycle here are the ancies,
    supps, etc I'm taking (I will not include PCT because it will be
    pretty standard with the addition of cortisol suppression--Cymbalta
    (duloxetine hcl), Nolva, Femera, Remeron, Clomid, HCG , Proviron ,
    tribus, and ZMA plus reg supps, etc): Femera 1.25mg EOD,
    Finasteride .5-1mg ED, Inj L-Carnitine 400mg ED, Inj Tripart 100mg
    ED, Inj B-Complex 38mg ED, Inj Adequan 20mg E7D, T3 25mcg weeks 6-9
    with dosages adusted by BBT, Synth Gugglesterones one week (10),
    Cranberry juice, water, Crystal Light, Gatorade, Powerade,
    Glucosamine/Chondroitin 1000mg, MSM 1000mg, r-ALA 250mg 2x/day,
    ALCAR 450mg 2x/day, Green Tea Extract 450mg, ON Whey, Micronized
    Creatine, Glutamine, Glutamine peptides, Taurine 450mg 2x/day, L-
    Arginine 450mg 2x/day, Chromium Picolinate 200mcg, Milk Thistle
    450mg, Liv-52 250mg 2x/day, Super ***** 3, 6, 9 EFAs 4000IU 2x/day,
    zinc 50mg 2x/day, multivit, vit c 500mg 2x/day, vit e 400IU,
    acidolopholous 6mg 2x/day, zanaflex 4-8mg, ultram 150mg, and HCG
    250IU 2x per week.


    If you have any questions feel free to ask. Also feel free to
    provide any and all types of feedback, etc. AND if you know of a
    biochemist, biomedical engineer, etc who would be interested or are
    a biochemist, biomedical engineer, etc I would be much obliged.



    And here are the results:


    I had to extend my downramp by four weeks because the body
    adjustment is just too much. So I ran my last four weeks with just
    test prop and tren ace.


    Please DO NOT try this if you're a newbie or on your fifth cycle,
    etc, etc. This is my xxx cycle (lost count), and I went in very
    prepared, and I'm coming out very prepared. A great deal of
    research and time went into the planning and running of this cycle.


    Must add bros that yes, I admit it, I did also run a little Cialis
    just to see what would happen during my peaks..........Jesus. All I
    can say is you better have multiple nymphos around at your beck and
    call because one nympho's (and I don't care how much of a nympho
    she is) accessible holes are eventually going to get tired. I'm
    dead serious. Either that or have a fun time punching holes in the
    wall or beating it to a bloody stump.


    Results in total:


    Gross weight gain: 45lbs
    Net weight gain: 25lbs (this includes a four week T3 cycle within
    the bulk cycle)


    I had the following tests run after PCT. All were normal with the
    exception of cortisol which was low (exactly where I wanted it).


    Here are the tests:
    Total Cortisol
    DHEA Sulfate
    IGF-1
    IGFBP-3
    Free T3
    Free T4
    TSH
    Total Test
    Free Test
    Weakly Bound Test
    Hemoglobin A1C
    Fasting Insulin
    CBC
    CMP
    Lipid Panel
    GGT
    PSA
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    I'll give my opinion, that theory is 100% U.S.D.A

    You don't need a boatload of gear to hit non A.R mechanisms.

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    interesting but Id like to know what does he base the fact on supersaturation.. anything to back that up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stupidhippo
    interesting but Id like to know what does he base the fact on supersaturation.. anything to back that up?
    Bodybuilding myths and voodoo, page 129.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big k.l.g
    I'll give my opinion, that theory is 100% U.S.D.A

    You don't need a boatload of gear to hit non A.R mechanisms.
    though I am inclined to agree with you and am no way going to give this little experiment a try I have often heard on other sites, several times that something "magical" happens at over 5g/week
    blowing smoke? perhaps

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    Short heavy dosage cycles have been around along time, i must admit i don't like the length of the cycle with such high dose of AAS or the fluctuating the dose either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squatdaddy
    though I am inclined to agree with you and am no way going to give this little experiment a try I have often heard on other sites, several times that something "magical" happens at over 5g/week
    blowing smoke? perhaps
    It as been tried and tested and in some BB's its true

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    Anyone think this theory has any chance of being true?

    Sounds very unlikely to me but I just read this somehwhere and found this post from searching google! This is an old post...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Family_guy View Post
    Anyone think this theory has any chance of being true?

    Sounds very unlikely to me but I just read this somehwhere and found this post from searching google! This is an old post...
    I dont do the science part but I have ran mass doses similarly.

    In my opinion a brief spike of heavy compounds with the proper rotation may do something but I dont think an 8 week 10g cycle is gonna open a magic doorway to another growth factor.

    Mixing too much of the wtong compounds can also knock you flat on your ass. I had this happen once with a frontload of Tren Ace and heavy heavy anadrol .

    I would get hot the slightest bit and start coughing and gagging on watery snot until I would nearly black out.

    The more I gagged the more I got hot. I layed in a cold shower on the floor gagging until I thought I was gonna die.

    The most important and best high level growth I have found is insulin and food.

    Honestly how much AAS is necessary if you are shooting 80 iu of novolog and eating a great diet to accomodate it?

    You will grow and grow and grow doing that with say 700/700/700 tren test mast or deaca sust and dbol .

    From there the question will be do you have the ambition to train and keep fat down enough.

    I have seen some guys run these type cycles and they usually abandon them or dont have any results that are extraordinary.

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    13 yr old thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capebuffalo View Post
    13 yr old thread.
    He knew he were just curious
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capebuffalo View Post
    13 yr old thread.
    Indeed it is. I noticed that. Instead of making a whole new thread though I found this and bumped it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    I dont do the science part but I have ran mass doses similarly.

    In my opinion a brief spike of heavy compounds with the proper rotation may do something but I dont think an 8 week 10g cycle is gonna open a magic doorway to another growth factor.

    Mixing too much of the wtong compounds can also knock you flat on your ass. I had this happen once with a frontload of Tren Ace and heavy heavy anadrol .

    I would get hot the slightest bit and start coughing and gagging on watery snot until I would nearly black out.

    The more I gagged the more I got hot. I layed in a cold shower on the floor gagging until I thought I was gonna die.

    The most important and best high level growth I have found is insulin and food.

    Honestly how much AAS is necessary if you are shooting 80 iu of novolog and eating a great diet to accomodate it?

    You will grow and grow and grow doing that with say 700/700/700 tren test mast or deaca sust and dbol .

    From there the question will be do you have the ambition to train and keep fat down enough.

    I have seen some guys run these type cycles and they usually abandon them or dont have any results that are extraordinary.
    Ya I agree that there’s no magic pathway that opens when your doing 5-10g week of gear. It’s not logical. I was curious about anyone else’s really high dose cycles though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Family_guy View Post
    Ya I agree that there’s no magic pathway that opens when your doing 5-10g week of gear. It’s not logical. I was curious about anyone else’s really high dose cycles though
    I ran some stuff.

    High.

    Really high.

    It made me look however I look

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    I ran some stuff.

    High.

    Really high.

    It made me look however I look
    Ok so high doses will turn you into a beast like yourself! Check

    What sorta doses are we talking here? What’s the highest you’ve gone up to in a week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Family_guy View Post
    Ok so high doses will turn you into a beast like yourself! Check

    What sorta doses are we talking here? What’s the highest you’ve gone up to in a week?
    I cant remember and didnt keep track. Probably over a gram per day of test tren and mast. Mostly test with a splash of bunk deca

    Food and slin are better than high doses of AAS in any amount imo.

    All my current cycle is doing is preserving mass while I bust my ass throwing trees
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    I cant remember and didnt keep track. Probably over a gram per day of test tren and mast. Mostly test with a splash of bunk deca

    Food and slin are better than high doses of AAS in any amount imo.

    All my current cycle is doing is preserving mass while I bust my ass throwing trees
    God dam your crazy! That’s very interesting though that you consider insulin much better Anabolic than AAS. I’ve heard you say that many times but it’s intersting and surprising
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    I had a friend in school that was diabetic so he obviously used insulin ...he never took aas but did lift weights and was a freak 5'9" and somewhere around 250 lbs...so yea insulin rocks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Family_guy View Post
    God dam your crazy! That’s very interesting though that you consider insulin much better Anabolic than AAS. I’ve heard you say that many times but it’s intersting and surprising
    Gear just gives intensity and helps nutrient partitioning etc.

    Dont get me wrong I still run gear in high doses
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    Gear just gives intensity and helps nutrient partitioning etc.

    Dont get me wrong I still run gear in high doses
    Lmao

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