is PCT necessary on something like this? if so, what?

**LAPhattie** · 04-24-2006, 09:11 PM

me= 5'10 - 180lbs

wk 1,8- 150 primo
wk 2,7- 250 primo
wk 3-6 - 350 primo

wk 2-7 - t3 (50mcg/max dose)
wk 3-5, 9-11 - clen (40/max dose)

**LAPhattie** · 04-24-2006, 10:15 PM

... come on, no replies??

**ToTheBuckeT21** · 04-24-2006, 10:32 PM

I run pct with everything.. even if its just a small one

**LAPhattie** · 04-24-2006, 11:25 PM

so who is the PCT expert on this site, or who can give me advice to the cycle up top??

**IBdmfkr** · 04-24-2006, 11:44 PM

I advise you to save your money as 150-200mg of Primo/wk will do pretty much nothing. Where did you come up with that cycle and what are your goals? (looks like cutting because of the compound being used and the use of Clen /T3).
Also, why pyramid your dosage? You realize Primo has an enanthate ester so it'd be best to run it at a constant dosage all the way through. Say 500mg/wk or more. Otherwise I'd spend the money on TestEnanthate, which would give you much better gains and could deff be used for cutting if the diet was appropriate.

Originally Posted by LAPhattie

so who is the PCT expert on this site, or who can give me advice to the cycle up top??

To answer your question, Start PCT on week 10 if you decide to go with what you listed.

**C_Bino** · 04-25-2006, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

I advise you to save your money as 150-200mg of Primo/wk will do pretty much nothing. Where did you come up with that cycle and what are your goals? (looks like cutting because of the compound being used and the use of Clen /T3).
Also, why pyramid your dosage? You realize Primo has an enanthate ester so it'd be best to run it at a constant dosage all the way through. Say 500mg/wk or more. Otherwise I'd spend the money on TestEnanthate, which would give you much better gains and could deff be used for cutting if the diet was appropriate.

To answer your question, Start PCT on week 10 if you decide to go with what you listed.

Agreed, the cycle seems very random. Where did you get this cycle from? Listen to what IBdmfkr said, I feel the same way.

**SMAN12b** · 04-25-2006, 12:17 AM

LAPhattie, didn't we already have this discussion???

READ: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=238490

**SMAN12b** · 04-25-2006, 12:22 AM

Just curious, but if you are already saying you have mild GYNO, why would you NOT want to run PCT with EVERY cycle???

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=238847

**SMAN12b** · 04-25-2006, 12:28 AM

Not to be a hard ass on you LAP, but it really seems like you are just fishing for someone on here to give you the answers YOU are looking for and NOT the answers that are really best for you!!! We are not tryin to STOP you from obtaining your goals. We are tryin to help you gain them with the least amount of DANGER to your Health, and at this point with the types of questions you have been asking, it sounds like you are more concerned about being able to say you did "JUICE" than you are about your longterm health.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=237456

If you really respected the opinions of the VETS/MODS on here , then why won't you take their advice Bro???

**LAPhattie** · 04-25-2006, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by SMAN12B

Just curious, but if you are already saying you have mild GYNO, why would you NOT want to run PCT with EVERY cycle???

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=238847

cuz I didnt know if a primo only cycle at 350/wk even needed PCT, and on the profile page it says that novaldex etc isnt warranted b/c it doesnt convert to estrogen...

so does it, and if so, what kind? how much?

**IBdmfkr** · 04-25-2006, 07:34 AM

It will not shut you down but you will be suppressed... Therefore You would want to run a short PCT protocol to help raise Test levels etc...

Do some research, I'm tired of wasting my time in this thread.. You seem to know best anyhow.

**LX-1** · 04-25-2006, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by LAPhattie

me= 5'10 - 180lbs

wk 1,8- 150 primo
wk 2,7- 250 primo
wk 3-6 - 350 primo

wk 2-7 - t3 (50mcg/max dose)
wk 3-5, 9-11 - clen (40/max dose)

worst cycle ive ever seen.

**Rizmon** · 04-25-2006, 08:24 AM

Agrred Thats Retarded

**AnthonyM** · 04-25-2006, 11:03 AM

We'll it would only be retarted if he went through with it.. it's not enough man, do a real cycle. If you read the profile on primo you can get all your answer's.. Read and good luck

**LAPhattie** · 04-25-2006, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by AnthonyM

We'll it would only be retarted if he went through with it.. it's not enough man, do a real cycle. If you read the profile on primo you can get all your answer's.. Read and good luck

why is it retarded? and what is a real cycle?

... not everyone wants to blow up. I just want assistance in losing a bit of stubborn fat as well as hardening up. I don't want to gain not even 1lb to my total bodyweight. for some bigger isnt better.

**Liftnainez** · 04-25-2006, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by AnthonyM

We'll it would only be retarted if he went through with it.. it's not enough man, do a real cycle. If you read the profile on primo you can get all your answer's.. Read and good luck

chill dude.. he didnt say hes doing it.. thats why hes here asking questions to LEARN and REALISE.. Now LA, the cycle layout you have isnt going to give you the results you probably are looking for.. yes i know you dont want to blow up so thats fine.. have you thought about test or is that out of the question? It seems to me that you are going for lean keepable gains.. how about upping the primo to at least 600 mg a week.. i know its pricey but if you can that would be much better.. if not maybe you can switch to an EQ/VAR cycle.. that wouldnt make you to huge and give you some nice lean keepable gains.. and your pct wouldnt have to be to harsh... hope this helps a bit bro..

**SMAN12b** · 04-25-2006, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by LAPhattie

why is it retarded? and what is a real cycle?

... not everyone wants to blow up. I just want assistance in losing a bit of stubborn fat as well as hardening up. I don't want to gain not even 1lb to my total bodyweight. for some bigger isnt better.

THEN Just try some CLEN . you dont' need AAS (IMHO) for what you are looking for that is why it is not advised and we dont' want you to hurt yourself!!!

**Swifto** · 04-25-2006, 01:24 PM

A PCT is needed when using any androgens that inhibit natural testosterone production IMHO. Your body will eventually recover, as long as you havent been totaly shutdown for 10 years + (being realistic), but, why not aid it in using PCT compounds? Evan at low doses.

**Sanecrazy** · 04-25-2006, 01:27 PM

You need to hang around for a while dude and do some research. Use the search tool for the forum before you mess yourself up. Dont be reckless. I dont think that you are anywhere near ready.

**magic32** · 04-25-2006, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by LAPhattie

why is it retarded? and what is a real cycle?

... not everyone wants to blow up. I just want assistance in losing a bit of stubborn fat as well as hardening up. I don't want to gain not even 1lb to my total bodyweight. for some bigger isnt better.

Ibd and Swift answered your primary question, suppressive androgens should always be accompanied by some kind of PCT.

Definitely do some more reading/learning.

Based on what's bolded above, diet and cardio are your keys. Spend some time in the diet forum, and save your Primo money for quality protein supplements.

Monitor your muscle ratio on T3, and up your max Clen dose as tolerable (120mcgs if possible).

M.

**LAPhattie** · 04-26-2006, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by magic32

Ibd and Swift answered your primary question, suppressive androgens should always be accompanied by some kind of PCT.

Definitely do some more reading/learning.

Based on what's bolded above, diet and cardio are your keys. Spend some time in the diet forum, and save your Primo money for quality protein supplements.

Monitor your muscle ratio on T3, and up your max Clen dose as tolerable (120mcgs if possible).

M.

thanks this is the kind of friendly non-flaming response I was looking for... and also "liftnainez" thank you too. Im looking for more between a gymnast body, a boxers body, or undie model body. im lotta guys on this board thing thats faggy and would rather be 260 shredded. But I dont wanna buy new clothes, jackets, etc. my leather track suit for hte motorcycle track is 1G, and its a 42R, its already snug on me, so im trying to LOSE weight, but gain muscle. thanks for the guys who have been helpful tho, I appreciate it.

**LAPhattie** · 04-26-2006, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

chill dude.. he didnt say hes doing it.. thats why hes here asking questions to LEARN and REALISE.. Now LA, the cycle layout you have isnt going to give you the results you probably are looking for.. yes i know you dont want to blow up so thats fine.. have you thought about test or is that out of the question? It seems to me that you are going for lean keepable gains.. how about upping the primo to at least 600 mg a week.. i know its pricey but if you can that would be much better.. if not maybe you can switch to an EQ/VAR cycle.. that wouldnt make you to huge and give you some nice lean keepable gains.. and your pct wouldnt have to be to harsh... hope this helps a bit bro..

yes, thank you... im looking for "advice" not bashing. Im now considering a primo/var cycle, but doing clen /t3 first to drop to my desired weight. b4 trying to harden up. I just wanted to know what kinda pct if any was necessary for a low primo/var cycle as such...

wk- Primo- var
1. 150
2. 250 20 (ed)
3. 350 20
4. 350 20
5. 350 20
6. 350 20
7. 250 20
8. 150

and on var/primo do I need to taper up/down, or only on other compounds like winny or t3?