NEwbie-Whats Up fellas

[piepiezzz]

New to this forum..............So I'll give you some history. Started out as a competitive natural powerlifter.......advanced in level...benched 485 at 198 lbs

Began to tire of joint pain, beating up my body, etc. Always dieted well, however to stay in the lower weight classes. Even competed at 181 lbs in 2000. (at about 4-5% BF)

Started to dable in muscle building, not for show, just for diversity in training. Currently I am 6'0 225 lbs and about 12-14% BF depending on what I ate over the weekend. My dieting knowledge is solid due to my prior competitive powerlifting, but I consider myself a novice to intermediate in terms of using anabolics. I have doe 3 total cycles, one each year for the past three years. All consisted of Deca and Cyp. about 300 deca/week and 400 cyp/week.

Made decent gains on only an average of about 3000 calories/day

My question is that I want to do a stack for a mixture of fullness/cut. I have a VERY RELIABLE source but the supply is limited. Here is what is available:

Equipoise
Fina
Winstrol (Inject)
Deca
Cyp
Teston
Propionate
Clen


I was thinking of just sticking with my deca/cyp stack since its been about 18months and just adding some clen to the equation to lose a bit of body fat. Or would you say EQ-cyp with clen? I have read of EQ-FINA clen for cutting-lean mass but thought you guys may have some good insight. I have never really had any issues with my deca/cyp stack other than post limp dick. I had never used clomid before for pct and plan to do so this time to help with this.

COmments/advice would be appreciated

[FranKieC]

Prop/Tren/Winnie should give ya some nice lean gains and keep water retention down..Make sure the Tren (fina) is Tren Acetate

[1buffsob]

Diet will dictate your cutting cycle, steroids come after the fact. Common cutting cycles would be either prop or cyp, running one of these three; EQ, Winny, Fina. Don't run you're cycle without a test base. Go hit up the dieting forumns for diet critique, as it will matter more than the compounds you use.

1buffsob

[piepiezzz]

what is tren???

[FranKieC]

Diet will dictate your cutting cycle, steroids come after the fact. Common cutting cycles would be either prop or cyp, running one of these three; EQ, Winny, Fina. Don't run you're cycle without a test base. Go hit up the dieting forumns for diet critique, as it will matter more than the compounds you use.

1buffsob

He just stated he was solid in dieting and being down around 4-5% I'm sure he knows what he is doing

[FranKieC]

what is tren???

Tren Fina same thing

[1buffsob]

Prop/Tren/Winnie should give ya some nice lean gains and keep water retention down..Make sure the Tren (fina) is Tren Acetate

You can't beat that for lean mass gains.

piepizzi, are you looking for muscle gains or to cut up? BTW, tren is fina.

1buffsob

[Kale]

what is tren???

http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php?t=199832

[piepiezzz]

Looking to keep mass while cutting 10lbs of fat. Just don't want the water retention that I read comes from Deca. I would like to stay full, maybe put on a few lbs of lean mass, but also keep a small waist. I do cardio 4-5 times/week at 30 minutes/session.

[1buffsob]

He just stated he was solid in dieting and being down around 4-5% I'm sure he knows what he is doing

I missed that part. I'm so used to saying it.

1buffsob

[MAXIMA5]

Tbol or Var can be used in place of Winny also.

[FranKieC]

I missed that part. I'm so used to saying it.

1buffsob

LoL I hear that

[piepiezzz]

sorry......the abbreviations are killing me. what is tbol or Var??

[FranKieC]

Tbol or Var can be used in place of Winny also.

YEs but the list is what's availabe to him so that doesn't answer his question

[FranKieC]

sorry......the abbreviations are killing me. what is tbol or Var??

Turnabol and Anavar

Don't worry about these since they are not available to you.

[1buffsob]

Looking to keep mass while cutting 10lbs of fat. Just don't want the water retention that I read comes from Deca. I would like to stay full, maybe put on a few lbs of lean mass, but also keep a small waist. I do cardio 4-5 times/week at 30 minutes/session.

Personally, I believe this can be accomplished with a simple test/ dht-derivitive combo. Prop/winny would be optimal IMO.

1buffsob

[piepiezzz]

how about cyp/winny?? just because I can get 10CC of 200MG cyp compared to 10CC 100MG propionate.

WOuld you add Clen to all of these stacks........or none

[MAXIMA5]

YEs but the list is what's availabe to him so that doesn't answer his question

Oh yeah, I forgot. I was just checking the specs on the rotary girdir...I'm retarded.

Tbol is Turinabol and Var is Anavar.

[MAXIMA5]

Clen couldn;t hurt. I'm running it with Cyp EQ and Var right now. Pretty pleased with the results.

[FranKieC]

Oh yeah, I forgot. I was just checking the specs on the rotary girdir...I'm retarded.

Tbol is Turinabol and Var is Anavar.

lololol

[piepiezzz]

Ok so hows this

Cyp 400mg/wee
EQ 300mg/wee
Clen


Or

Cyp 400/week
fina 300/week
Clen

or

cyp 400mg/week
winny 50MG/EOD
clen

[1buffsob]

I'd go with cyp 400mg ew for 10-12 weeks, and winny 50mg ED for about the last 8 weeks. How long did you want to run the cycle?

1buffsob

[MAXIMA5]

Technically, you could run this, but probably not for Cycle 1

Cyp 400 mg Weeks 1-13
EQ 300 mg 2 weeks prior to cycle through week 12
Winny 50 mg ED weeks 6-12
Clen 50-100 mcg ED

You may want to stick to 2 core compunds plus the clen.

Can your guy get any orals?

[FranKieC]

Technically, you could run this, but probably not for Cycle 1

Cyp 400 mg Weeks 1-13
EQ 300 mg 2 weeks prior to cycle through week 12
Winny 50 mg ED weeks 6-12
Clen 50-100 mcg ED

Can your guy get any orals?

Not to sound like an asshole but EQ wouldn't do jack shit at that dose lol

[1buffsob]

No joke. EQ being as mild as it is, I wouldn't run less than 500mg ew, optimal being around 600mg.

1buffsob

[MAXIMA5]

I thought the same thing, but then he would have to do a ton of test for a first cycle, right?

Maybe 500 test and 500 EQ would be better.

[FranKieC]

I thought the same thing, but then he would have to do a ton of test for a first cycle, right?

Maybe 500 test and 500 EQ would be better.

This isn't his first cycle, reread the first thread...

[piepiezzz]

I'd go with cyp 400mg ew for 10-12 weeks, and winny 50mg ED for about the last 8 weeks. How long did you want to run the cycle?

1buffsob

10 weeks is fine.........so 400 cyp for weeks 1-2, then 400 cyp and 50 winny ED for a total of 750MG/week?

Clen throughout?

[1buffsob]

I found the hunger pains from EQ was too bad for cutting. I'd go another route, such as the test/winny like I already suggested. BTW, this isn't his first cycle.

1buffsob

[piepiezzz]

I can't mix the injections, correct....winny water based, cyp oil

ANy issues injecting Winny??

[MAXIMA5]

This isn't his first cycle, reread the first thread...

Jesus, I'm going senile at 27.

I was just thrown by his proposed cycles with such low doses.

I run 750 mg of Cyp and 600 EQ.

He could go 600 Cyp 500 EQ etc...

[piepiezzz]

DO you wait two weeks for Winny due to the slow ester of the Cyp?

[MAXIMA5]

I can't mix the injections, correct....winny water based, cyp oil

ANy issues injecting Winny??

Winny can be painful.

You can mix anything with anything. Those are just myths.

[piepiezzz]

Jesus, I'm going senile at 27.

I was just thrown by his proposed cycles with such low doses.

I run 750 mg of Cyp and 600 EQ.

He could go 600 Cyp 500 EQ etc...

I would really rather not take doses that will cause me to gain too much. I am 225 already and would like to remain in the 215-225 range, just a bit more cut. Not looking to get bigger, just better quality muscle and drain a bit of fat

[FranKieC]

For what you are looking to accomplish I would highly recomend some ancillary support. For the goals you are looking to achieve I would really think abiut running Prop/Fina/Winnie. This cycle will give you nice SOLID LBM GAINS with minimal water retention and some nice strength. You will also lose some nice BF if your diet is spot on.

[FranKieC]

I would really rather not take doses that will cause me to gain too much. I am 225 already and would like to remain in the 215-225 range, just a bit more cut. Not looking to get bigger, just better quality muscle and drain a bit of fat

Prop/tren/winnie PERIOD end of story

[MAXIMA5]

Good point. Just take precautions against sides and you'll be golden.

I managed to lose bf% and gain muscle with Cyp and EQ, but prop will be faster acting and will cause less bloat (some bloat form long esters).

[piepiezzz]

Prop/tren/winnie PERIOD end of story

any dosage advice??

[FranKieC]

any dosage advice??

Prop 75-100mgs daily
Tren 75 mgs daily
Winnie 50-100mgs daily

Run this for about 10 weeks. Stop the Tren at about week 8..MAKE SURE THE TREN IS "Tren Acetate" and not Tren enthanate

[piepiezzz]

Technically, you could run this, but probably not for Cycle 1

Cyp 400 mg Weeks 1-13
EQ 300 mg 2 weeks prior to cycle through week 12
Winny 50 mg ED weeks 6-12
Clen 50-100 mcg ED

You may want to stick to 2 core compunds plus the clen.

Can your guy get any orals?

Not sure about orals, never asked. what is better in oral form??