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    Time on/off

    After reading several articles that debunk AR downregulation is it safe to go back on after only a few weeks off with proper PCT? The old time on = time off seems to be outdated. I imagine changing compounds would help.

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    Let's suppose downregulation is a myth. The next question I'd ask is is it smart to take your body through such a rapid yo-yo of natty production and shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by reveremuscle
    After reading several articles that debunk AR downregulation is it safe to go back on after only a few weeks off with proper PCT? The old time on = time off seems to be outdated. I imagine changing compounds would help.
    Last edited by Triposinator; 04-25-2006 at 06:50 PM.

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    I would think if you were going to go right back on you might be best to just cruise on low dose of test until your next cycle.

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    i would say wait or get blood work done just to be safe yoiu dont want to **** yourself up

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshr
    i would say wait or get blood work done just to be safe yoiu dont want to **** yourself up
    Exactly !!!!!!!

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    Any suggestions for something to take to help with cholesterol (natural supplement)?? I also plan on taking milk thistle to help the old liver. My plan is to take 5 weeks off after I finish PCT. Just finished up a 12 week cycle but my next cycle is only 8 weeks (all short esters).

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    his is from Bryan2 (supplement guru):

    Regarding cholesterol health (The list will be in order of effectiveness)

    At the top of the list is niacin

    The best form is sustained release
    Next come the regular form (but be aware these two can and will cause the skin to become a flushed red for a few minutes after you take it) nothing wrong it’s just a slight side effect

    There is however a version that eliminates this referred to as flush free niacin

    A general dose for cholesterol health is around 1000-1500mgs daily but if using the flush free version a dose of 2000-3000 mgs is preferred as this version is slightly weaker acting.

    EFAs
    Are up towards the top of the list as well as they work very efficiently at cholesterol maintenance. These are referred to the *****s 3,6,9 they are found in flax and fish oils which are most commonly used for bodybuilding purposes.

    Red yeast riceDoseage:1200mg-2400mg Ed
    Red yeast rice is basically fermented rice that shares the same active ingredients as the main stream prescription cholesterol lowering statins that are on the market. It is known to have a decent effect on cholesterol maintenance. However it is only beneficial to use for short periods of time such as up to 3-4 weeks before the cycle and continued throughout PCT. It should also be noted that this particular product is known to lower concentrations of COQ10 in the heart and liver so either a pre made supplement including this or additional supplementation of COQ10 at 300mg per day will be needed.


    Sesathin

    Sesathin is an excellent product that has many aspects that are beneficial to the bodybuilding community; one of these happens to be beneficial specifically for cholesterol maintenance and repair.

    A short read up can be found at wwwdotavantlabsdotcom/main.php(dot to be replaced with a . to access)


    Allicin:
    An extract found in Garlic which is shown to lower blood pressure and lipid levels. It also has established reports of its ability to fight cancer. Purer forms of the extract are shown to be the best.

    Policosanol:
    Doseage: 10 -20 mg/day
    Policosanol is made up of a blend of fatty alcohols known to be beneficial towards cholesterol maintenance. This specific supplement sometimes takes up to 3 months before full benefits start to show themselves and stacks remarkably well with EFAs producing a synergetic effect.


    FenugreekFenugreek is known to help tremendously during PCT for HPTA recovery but also shows some slight benefits towards lipid health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reveremuscle
    After reading several articles that debunk AR downregulation is it safe to go back on after only a few weeks off with proper PCT? The old time on = time off seems to be outdated. I imagine changing compounds would help.
    Don't be so sure. Just because test levels are O.K. doesn't mean that
    liver, cholesterol and other levels are O.K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ufa
    Don't be so sure. Just because test levels are O.K. doesn't mean that
    liver, cholesterol and other levels are O.K.

    TBH I did overlook this factor. How long on average does it take for these levels to go back to normal. I am aware that blood tests are the real key just looking for personal experiences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reveremuscle
    TBH I did overlook this factor. How long on average does it take for these levels to go back to normal. I am aware that blood tests are the real key just looking for personal experiences.
    It varies with every one. Depends how heavy the cycle was. Blood work
    is the key. You got to be your own Doc.

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