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04-26-2006, 05:06 PM #1VET Retired
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This is the cycle idea i'm playing with.....
Ok this is my plan for a lean mass cycle....well i'm not 100% sure as of yet but i think this will be it.
Stats:
24 yrs
5'11
6 years training
240lbs
13% BF (skin fold)
Cycle History:
1st:1 shot of polysteron (sust) cycle discontinued due to ass pain
Gains: A swollen left ass cheek.
2nd:
Testosterone enanthate 500mg wk 6wks
Trenbolone acetate 75mg ED 6wks
Gains 30lbs, 20lbs of muscle with some fat loss.
The following were more experiments than a cycle, with me being the lab rat.
3rd:
Trenbolone acetate 100mg ED for 15 days.
Gains: 10 lbs kept 7-8.
4th: 400mg Test prop ED 6 days
Gains 4lbs.
So here is my next 'real' cycle, my goal here is to gain an absolute minimum of 20lbs, then go right into do a 'cutting' cycle to get under 9% BF.
The cycle will be broken down into two phases.
I may do a 6-8 week low dose test e 'cruse' between the phases if needed.
Phase 1
Trenbolone enanthate : 1000mg wk wk 1-10
Testosterone enanthate: 500mg wk wk 1-til goals achieved.
1-testosterone cypionate : 400mg wk wk 1-10
Boldenone undec: 400mg wk wk 1- until goals achieved.
Phase 2
Testosterone enanthate 500mg wk - until goals achieved.
Boldenone undec 400mg wk - until goals achieved.
Drostanolone enanthate 400mg wk - until goals achieved.
Ancillaries
Letrozole .5mg ED
Cabergoline .25-.5mg E4D
T3 25mcg-50mcg ED
Furazabol 50mg ED 4 wks on/off (not exactly sure no how to use it for cholesterol)
Sylmarin
So any thoughts or suggestions?
Thanks
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04-26-2006, 05:12 PM #2
DAMN seems well thought out. Im sure someone will have something to say about it though, just not I.
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04-26-2006, 05:57 PM #3-B D
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04-26-2006, 06:06 PM #4VET Retired
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Originally Posted by IBdmfkr
I would run the tren during both phases but i'll need to see how it affects my cardio capacity.
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04-26-2006, 06:28 PM #5Originally Posted by big k.l.g
Originally Posted by big k.l.g
Originally Posted by big k.l.g
Reference: Epilepsy Behav. 2004 Apr;5(2):260-3
Originally Posted by big k.l.g
I think you should drop one of the test derivatives and add a dht-derivative to complement the test + 19-nor
I know you're revising the cycling concept... making tren your base and test your 'complement'. I think the furazabol should be included in the cruise definately.. i'll evaluate in my next point.
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Originally Posted by big k.l.g
1. PWO application for the entire 8 weeks
2. pwo + a.m. or pwo/a.m. for 2 weeks on.. 2 weeks off
3. Use once weekly on carb-load day for the enitre 8 weeks
4 small dose (2-4 IUs) every 4 hours tru-out the day... 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
I'd also suggest adding metformin since i assume if you choose to run slin you'd be be running Humulin-R as opposed to Humalog...
The metformin application would be as follows.. for the corresponding abovementioned options:
1. 2000- 3000 mg ED ( 2 tabs [1000 mg total] dosed at intervals during the day) for the entire 8 weeks
2. same as option 1
3. 1000 mg ED (1 tab in the morning; 1 tab in the evening)
4. Same as option 1
Holla...
Nark
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04-26-2006, 06:36 PM #6Originally Posted by big k.l.g
Why no HCG?
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04-26-2006, 06:42 PM #7
wow, 1000mgs tren enath! how were your sides on 700mgs?
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04-26-2006, 06:54 PM #8
Doing some checking.. i found that the 'therapeutic dosage' of Furazabol administered is: 3mg ED if used orally.. or 50 mg Ewk if injected.
Of course this does not exactly apply to us.
In addition, for lipid-lowering.. the administered dose was a little on the high side in this study:
1 Suzuki Y, Honda Y, Ito M. Pharmacological studies on experimental nephritic rats. (4) Improvement of hyperlipemic models in rats utilizing anti-rat kidney rabbit serum and effects of anti-hyperlipemic agents on serum lipid levels. Jpn J Pharmacol 1978 Oct;28(5):729-38
The dose was: 1.1 mg/kg/day... seeing that you're 240 lbs that'd be 120 mg ED... Yea somewhat on the high side.
I think you should dose it at around 50-100 mg ED... and run it during the 'cruise' period with the low dose test.. For that matter i think your cruise should be 6-8 weeks in duration... running the furazabol for the entirety of that 8 week period.
You're homebrewing right?
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04-26-2006, 07:01 PM #9VET Retired
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Originally Posted by Narkissos
Originally Posted by Narkissos
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Originally Posted by testosterona
Originally Posted by Narkissos
I'm about, what, 170lbs of muscle? Minus fat and skeleton, so 120mg ED won't be needed i was planning on running about 50-75mg ED. What about the furazabol 4 weeks on/off? Bad idea?
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04-26-2006, 08:01 PM #11Originally Posted by big k.l.g
Originally Posted by big k.l.g
Originally Posted by big k.l.g
"Similar to high-dose primo in action" i see in response to articles on the compound. Hooker's description of Primo (enanthate ester) indicates that mg for mg, Primo and Masteron (Enanthate ester) are equal.
That being the case... Masteron and 1-test should be equivalent.. no?
It may come down to price.. imma look at a powder list and holla back.. bump for replies.
Originally Posted by big k.l.g
I don't recall how you aerobic output was affected last tren cycle.. but i assume it was not diminished at 100 mg tren-A ED. 400mg Tren-E Ewk should not be a prob... and should increase the overall effectiveness of this cycle.
Originally Posted by big k.l.g
Nark
BUMP!
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04-26-2006, 08:05 PM #12Originally Posted by big k.l.g
why?
I know we 'should' cycle it off because it's alkylated
Still how long would it take for liver enzymes to drop?
In addition.. your home-brewing.
If you're running an oral suspension 4 on 4 off is feaseable.. but if you're injecting it.. i say run it longer. Won't injecting avoid first-pass metabolism.. thus reducing the overall hepatoxicity?
Nark
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04-26-2006, 09:22 PM #13VET Retired
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Originally Posted by Narkissos
Originally Posted by Narkissos
Originally Posted by Narkissos
Originally Posted by Narkissos
Well i don't want to inject the furazabol bacause its actions on cholesterol may be based on it's interaction in the liver, like letro.Last edited by BajanBastard; 04-26-2006 at 09:28 PM.
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04-27-2006, 03:57 PM #14
I like the cycle man, I like the fact that you are willing to "experiment" with things.
I dont quite understand the "phase" idea tho, will you take time off between or whats the deal? What time frames are we working with?
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04-27-2006, 05:29 PM #15VET Retired
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Originally Posted by C_Bino
The second phase will be the cutting phase and since lower amount drugs are needed to make an effective cutting cycle i'll be reducing the total weekly amount used. (All of this info can be found in the U.R.G steroid book). No need to use dosages of gear that is unnecessary.
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04-27-2006, 06:45 PM #16VET Retired
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Bump?
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04-27-2006, 06:52 PM #17
Bump!
Our threads get a lot of views but not many replies
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04-27-2006, 06:57 PM #18VET Retired
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Hey C_Bino how was dinner?
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04-27-2006, 06:59 PM #192/3 Deca 1/3 Test
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I think they dont get a lot of replies because you guys are the ones who teach us in a way. I aint gonna try to put my .02 in your cycle plan.
Good luck though.
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04-27-2006, 06:59 PM #20~ Vet~ I like Thai Girls
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Originally Posted by Narkissos
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04-27-2006, 07:01 PM #21Originally Posted by Skullsmasher
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04-27-2006, 07:08 PM #22
It was amazing, I think I found my soulmate LOL. You bastard.
Honestly man Im not too sure what to say about the cycle, It looks fine to me. Its hard to comment just because I havent tried bridging (if you are goin to cruise on 250 weekly Test E between phases), but the only thing I can say is get some HCGand run it during atleast the cruise phase like E3D or so just to be safe.
As for the second phase I see looking at your cycle history you have never run EQ before, also never winny. Is there a reason why you chose to cut with EQ? I think Stan could be a good addition to the cycle, but I get the idea you dont like orals.
Also...(I would like Narks opinion on this, as I have never run Masteron ), but why not implement it later into phase two? It is usually reserved for sub 10 % bf no? But you are working with the enth ester as well so man its really tricky to work with this, if you were running the prop ester mast. I would say save it and run it for 8 weeks at the end of the cycle up until PCT after EQ and Test E, this way you could reap the benefits more as you could make it down to 9-10% bf before utilizing it.
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04-27-2006, 07:11 PM #23Originally Posted by Narkissos
Even if we dont take your advice you have to realize MANY MANY people read these threads, even people who never sign up for the site but just read, and your experience can help others even if not the person who started the thread.
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04-27-2006, 07:14 PM #24Originally Posted by big k.l.g
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04-27-2006, 07:47 PM #25VET Retired
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Originally Posted by C_Bino
Well the EQ will be thoughtout the cycle and the masteron because i need a DHT derived AAS in the cutting phase for help with fat loss and keeping muscle strengh while dieting with all that cardio.
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04-27-2006, 07:50 PM #26
Good call good call. If I was you I would throw in some Primo, we all know you love it. LMAO.
Naw seriously it looks good tho man, you know what you're doing.
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04-27-2006, 09:51 PM #27Originally Posted by Kale
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04-27-2006, 10:26 PM #28~ Vet~ I like Thai Girls
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So at the risk of getting flamed off the face of the planet, you have only done two successfull cycles if I am reading this right. Dont you think these doses are kind of extreme for a third cycle. You are a very knowledgable bro, dont get me wrong. But if you wernt a vet I would suggest there would be a lot of critisim of these doses.
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04-27-2006, 10:43 PM #29Originally Posted by Kale
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04-27-2006, 10:48 PM #30~ Vet~ I like Thai Girls
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Originally Posted by Narkissos
2nd:
Testosterone enanthate 500mg wk 6wks
Trenbolone acetate 75mg ED 6wks
what would be the expected gains from such a large cycle ? Just seems like a waste of juice to me for gains that would be potentially gained from lower doses.
Just have to be aware that lots of newbies will be reading this and thinking what a great idea.
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04-28-2006, 01:04 AM #31Associate Member
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I just want to know one thing...... for how long do tou think this whole cycle will last?? just an estimation please
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04-28-2006, 01:10 AM #32~ Vet~ I like Thai Girls
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Originally Posted by bolin
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04-28-2006, 01:21 AM #33Associate Member
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i did read it butthead but he doesnt state the weeks... he just says.....till goals achieved....how much is the estimated time for that?? just want to know
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04-28-2006, 01:32 AM #34
WOW! Now this has been educational...
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04-28-2006, 02:17 AM #35~ Vet~ I like Thai Girls
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Originally Posted by bolin
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04-28-2006, 02:27 AM #36Associate Member
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mmmmmmm thats really good..... the thing is that I posted a thread about a long cycle and everyone flamed me... but no one flames him cause he doesnt have a cycle end date.
I didn't ask for a specific date or week time..... i just asked for an estimation... I think that he does have an estimation
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04-28-2006, 11:54 AM #37
masteron E is one of the best compounds I personally have ever run (and i've tried almost everything). I am currently running 600mgs/week with 500mgs test e, bf hanging around 9% (DEXA) and I've been eating like a horse!
I've been doing somthing vedry similiar as far as the phases go, been on for 7 months started my bulking in Oct. then bridged with test @ 250mg/week for 2 months, then uped it to 500mgs adding the mast @ 600mg.
Good luck bro
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Originally Posted by Kale
I am using 300mg above the 2000mg/week standard for the bulking phase and a lot less for the cutting phase. I don't really believe in time on/off once you're healthy and still getting the results the gear should be giving. Here's is my logic: if 500mg of an AS does not give you sides and you're growing why not 600? The more AAS you take the more muscle gains, fat loss you'll get so use the highest dose you can w/o getting adverse sides effects, if that dose is 500 or 5000mg depends on the individual.
IOriginally Posted by bolin
Originally Posted by Narkissos
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04-28-2006, 12:46 PM #39
Wow what a sick cycle! Good luck man!!
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04-28-2006, 02:22 PM #40
WOW its good to read some of the types of cycles you guys use. Its amazing how it look so much more simple in the translated version lol.
Just one thing to ask though. How is a "Skinfold" 13% BF ???
Also, how come I keep hearing about how steroids WILL NOT help burn fat (I dont beleive this) but you are using them to help with that? So is it true that they do then ?
Why run test enth when cutting - I thought prop is generally used here for various reasons?
You said you will use T3 along with it @ 25mg-50mg. From what Ive read, 25mg is pretty useless as the body supposedly produces this amount anyway?? Am I wrong with that?
jus thought Id av a go at replying!! lol
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