This is the cycle idea i'm playing with.....

[BajanBastard]

Ok this is my plan for a lean mass cycle....well i'm not 100% sure as of yet but i think this will be it.

Stats:

24 yrs
5'11
6 years training
240lbs
13% BF (skin fold)

Cycle History:
1st:1 shot of polysteron (sust) cycle discontinued due to ass pain
Gains: A swollen left ass cheek.

2nd:
Testosterone enanthate 500mg wk 6wks
Trenbolone acetate 75mg ED 6wks

Gains 30lbs, 20lbs of muscle with some fat loss.

The following were more experiments than a cycle, with me being the lab rat.

3rd:

Trenbolone acetate 100mg ED for 15 days.
Gains: 10 lbs kept 7-8.

4th: 400mg Test prop ED 6 days
Gains 4lbs.

So here is my next 'real' cycle, my goal here is to gain an absolute minimum of 20lbs, then go right into do a 'cutting' cycle to get under 9% BF.
The cycle will be broken down into two phases.
I may do a 6-8 week low dose test e 'cruse' between the phases if needed.


Phase 1

Trenbolone enanthate: 1000mg wk wk 1-10
Testosterone enanthate: 500mg wk wk 1-til goals achieved.
1-testosterone cypionate: 400mg wk wk 1-10
Boldenone undec: 400mg wk wk 1- until goals achieved.


Phase 2

Testosterone enanthate 500mg wk - until goals achieved.
Boldenone undec 400mg wk - until goals achieved.
Drostanolone enanthate 400mg wk - until goals achieved.

Ancillaries

Letrozole .5mg ED
Cabergoline .25-.5mg E4D
T3 25mcg-50mcg ED
Furazabol 50mg ED 4 wks on/off (not exactly sure no how to use it for cholesterol)
Sylmarin

So any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks

[AnabolicAndre]

DAMN seems well thought out. Im sure someone will have something to say about it though, just not I.

[IBdmfkr]

So you're dropping the Cyp + Tren for Masteron after week 10?

Think about putting HCG in the cycle?

[BajanBastard]

So you're dropping the Cyp + Tren for Masteron after week 10?

Think about putting HCG in the cycle?

Yeah the 1-test cyp is a strong anabolic/androgen and i need to lower the total AAS intake during the cutting phase so i think the drostanolone will do just fine, you think i should just run the cyp? No HCG for me, maybe proviron during the cycle.

I would run the tren during both phases but i'll need to see how it affects my cardio capacity.

[*Narkissos*]

240lbs
13% BF (skin fold)

Remind me that i've got to get you to check my BF% before i re-start my contest prep.

Cycle History:
1st:1 shot of polysteron (sust) cycle discontinued due to ass pain
Gains: A swollen left ass cheek.

The good old days

So here is my next 'real' cycle, my goal here is to gain an absolute minimum of 20lbs, then go right into do a 'cutting' cycle to get under 9% BF.
The cycle will be broken down into two phases.
I may do a 6-8 week low dose test e 'cruse' between the phases if needed.

If you institute the cruise... how long will it be.. and what dosage will you cruise at? 250 mg? Will you be using hcg or any other gonodal-stimulating compound during this time? Will you be continuing the anxiallary-run during this time? If you weren't running letrozolw I'd've suggested you should add proviron during the 'cruise'. I know it's the only dht-derivative you've ever run.. and you've responded favourably to it. Letro should do the job: keeping shbg levels low entering into the next phase of the cycle

Reference: Epilepsy Behav. 2004 Apr;5(2):260-3

Phase 1

Trenbolone enanthate: 1000mg wk wk 1-10
Testosterone enanthate: 500mg wk wk 1-til goals achieved.
1-testosterone cypionate: 400mg wk wk 1-10
Boldenone undec: 400mg wk wk 1- until goals achieved.

1-test cyp? Why?

I think you should drop one of the test derivatives and add a dht-derivative to complement the test + 19-nor

I know you're revising the cycling concept... making tren your base and test your 'complement'. I think the furazabol should be included in the cruise definately.. i'll evaluate in my next point.

Phase 2

Testosterone enanthate 500mg wk - until goals achieved.
Boldenone undec 400mg wk - until goals achieved.
Drostanolone enanthate 400mg wk - until goals achieved.

Drop the boldenone and re-add the tren... That's why i said the furazabol in the cruise is essential. I'll have to read up on how best to dose and cycle it tho... The tren should be in both parts of this cycle imo. You wrote the tren profile so you know as i do that this specific 19-nor imcreases feed efficiency... AND it burns fat tru it's high interaction/affinity with/for the AR receptor.

Ancillaries

Letrozole .5mg ED
Cabergoline .25-.5mg E4D
T3 25mcg-50mcg ED
Furazabol 50mg ED 4 wks on/off (not exactly sure no how to use it for cholesterol)
Sylmarin

So any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks

Insulin. I know you as much (if not more) experience with insulin as/than i do... Add it to the bulk phase. You can go with one of four approaches imo:

1. PWO application for the entire 8 weeks
2. pwo + a.m. or pwo/a.m. for 2 weeks on.. 2 weeks off
3. Use once weekly on carb-load day for the enitre 8 weeks
4 small dose (2-4 IUs) every 4 hours tru-out the day... 2 weeks on 2 weeks off

I'd also suggest adding metformin since i assume if you choose to run slin you'd be be running Humulin-R as opposed to Humalog...

The metformin application would be as follows.. for the corresponding abovementioned options:

1. 2000- 3000 mg ED ( 2 tabs [1000 mg total] dosed at intervals during the day) for the entire 8 weeks
2. same as option 1
3. 1000 mg ED (1 tab in the morning; 1 tab in the evening)
4. Same as option 1

Holla...

Nark

[*Narkissos*]

Yeah the 1-test cyp is a strong anabolic/androgen and i need to lower the total AAS intake during the cutting phase so i think the drostanolone will do just fine, you think i should just run the cyp? No HCG for me, maybe proviron during the cycle.

I would run the tren during both phases but i'll need to see how it affects my cardio capacity.

geez.. it just took about 1/2 hour for my reply to load. Frigging server errors

Why no HCG?

[testosterona]

wow, 1000mgs tren enath! how were your sides on 700mgs?

[*Narkissos*]

Doing some checking.. i found that the 'therapeutic dosage' of Furazabol administered is: 3mg ED if used orally.. or 50 mg Ewk if injected.

Of course this does not exactly apply to us.

In addition, for lipid-lowering.. the administered dose was a little on the high side in this study:

1 Suzuki Y, Honda Y, Ito M. Pharmacological studies on experimental nephritic rats. (4) Improvement of hyperlipemic models in rats utilizing anti-rat kidney rabbit serum and effects of anti-hyperlipemic agents on serum lipid levels. Jpn J Pharmacol 1978 Oct;28(5):729-38

The dose was: 1.1 mg/kg/day... seeing that you're 240 lbs that'd be 120 mg ED... Yea somewhat on the high side.

I think you should dose it at around 50-100 mg ED... and run it during the 'cruise' period with the low dose test.. For that matter i think your cruise should be 6-8 weeks in duration... running the furazabol for the entirety of that 8 week period.

You're homebrewing right?

[BajanBastard]

If you institute the cruise... how long will it be.. and what dosage will you cruise at? 250 mg? Will you be using hcg or any other gonodal-stimulating compound during this time? Will you be continuing the anxiallary-run during this time? If you weren't running letrozolw I'd've suggested you should add proviron during the 'cruise'. I know it's the only dht-derivative you've ever run.. and you've responded favourably to it. Letro should do the job: keeping shbg levels low entering into the next phase of the cycle

Reference: Epilepsy Behav. 2004 Apr;5(2):260-3

The anxiallary drugs will be run thoughout. The cruise will only be initiated if i become non responsive to the constant elevated levels of androgens. About 250mg wk for 6-8 wks should do the job, I'll use HCG if you can get it

1-test cyp? Why?

I think you should drop one of the test derivatives and add a dht-derivative to complement the test + 19-nor

I know you're revising the cycling concept... making tren your base and test your 'complement'. I think the furazabol should be included in the cruise definately.. i'll evaluate in my next point.

Well the 1-test is already a Dihyro so i thought it would just a good addition to the stack. I really can't think of an injectable DHT derived steroid that will produce a great deal of muscle gains, this bulk phase is for gaining as much muscle tissue as possible in the stated time period.

Drop the boldenone and re-add the tren... That's why i said the furazabol in the cruise is essential. I'll have to read up on how best to dose and cycle it tho... The tren should be in both parts of this cycle imo. You wrote the tren profile so you know as i do that this specific 19-nor imcreases feed efficiency... AND it burns fat tru it's high interaction/affinity with/for the AR receptor.

Yeah i guess you're right however as i said if the tren does not negitigly impact me cardio i'll imclude it in phase two as well. I also think boldenone undec would be the perfect 'long' cycle drug in this case.

Insulin. I know you as much (if not more) experience with insulin as/than i do... Add it to the bulk phase. You can go with one of four approaches imo:

1. PWO application for the entire 8 weeks
2. pwo + a.m. or pwo/a.m. for 2 weeks on.. 2 weeks off
3. Use once weekly on carb-load day for the enitre 8 weeks
4 small dose (2-4 IUs) every 4 hours tru-out the day... 2 weeks on 2 weeks off

I'd also suggest adding metformin since i assume if you choose to run slin you'd be be running Humulin-R as opposed to Humalog...

The metformin application would be as follows.. for the corresponding abovementioned options:

1. 2000- 3000 mg ED ( 2 tabs [1000 mg total] dosed at intervals during the day) for the entire 8 weeks
2. same as option 1
3. 1000 mg ED (1 tab in the morning; 1 tab in the evening)
4. Same as option 1

Holla...

Nark

I can't believe i forgot about the slin I'll use slin alone thanks, metformin makes my stomach very upset, I'll never be able to eat while using it.

[BajanBastard]

wow, 1000mgs tren enath! how were your sides on 700mgs?

I don't get sides from tren.

Doing some checking.. i found that the 'therapeutic dosage' of Furazabol administered is: 3mg ED if used orally.. or 50 mg Ewk if injected.

Of course this does not exactly apply to us.

In addition, for lipid-lowering.. the administered dose was a little on the high side in this study:

1 Suzuki Y, Honda Y, Ito M. Pharmacological studies on experimental nephritic rats. (4) Improvement of hyperlipemic models in rats utilizing anti-rat kidney rabbit serum and effects of anti-hyperlipemic agents on serum lipid levels. Jpn J Pharmacol 1978 Oct;28(5):729-38

The dose was: 1.1 mg/kg/day... seeing that you're 240 lbs that'd be 120 mg ED... Yea somewhat on the high side.

I think you should dose it at around 50-100 mg ED... and run it during the 'cruise' period with the low dose test.. For that matter i think your cruise should be 6-8 weeks in duration... running the furazabol for the entirety of that 8 week period.

You're homebrewing right?

Of fucking course i'm home brewing

I'm about, what, 170lbs of muscle? Minus fat and skeleton, so 120mg ED won't be needed i was planning on running about 50-75mg ED. What about the furazabol 4 weeks on/off? Bad idea?

[*Narkissos*]

The anxiallary drugs will be run thoughout. The cruise will only be initiated if i become non responsive to the constant elevated levels of androgens.

Why wait til you become 'non-responsive'?

About 250mg wk for 6-8 wks should do the job, I'll use HCG if you can get it

I can.. duh.

Well the 1-test is already a Dihyro so i thought it would just a good addition to the stack. I really can't think of an injectable DHT derived steroid that will produce a great deal of muscle gains, this bulk phase is for gaining as much muscle tissue as possible in the stated time period.

Interesting.. i've seen the compounded listed for sale but never investigated it.

"Similar to high-dose primo in action" i see in response to articles on the compound. Hooker's description of Primo (enanthate ester) indicates that mg for mg, Primo and Masteron (Enanthate ester) are equal.

That being the case... Masteron and 1-test should be equivalent.. no?

It may come down to price.. imma look at a powder list and holla back.. bump for replies.

Yeah i guess you're right however as i said if the tren does not negitigly impact me cardio i'll imclude it in phase two as well. I also think boldenone undec would be the perfect 'long' cycle drug in this case.

I'd assume your dose of tren would be lower in the latter cycle... as your doses of the other compounds are gonna be 'lower'.. no?

I don't recall how you aerobic output was affected last tren cycle.. but i assume it was not diminished at 100 mg tren-A ED. 400mg Tren-E Ewk should not be a prob... and should increase the overall effectiveness of this cycle.

I can't believe i forgot about the slin I'll use slin alone thanks, metformin makes my stomach very upset, I'll never be able to eat while using it.

Understood... I'm on the metformin now.. It DOES leave a funny taste in my mouth... but it's been making positive changes in my physique. How did you use it prior? What dose? Empy stomach or with food?

Nark

BUMP!

[*Narkissos*]

What about the furazabol 4 weeks on/off? Bad idea?

4 weeks on/4 weeks off... hm

why?

I know we 'should' cycle it off because it's alkylated

Still how long would it take for liver enzymes to drop?

In addition.. your home-brewing.

If you're running an oral suspension 4 on 4 off is feaseable.. but if you're injecting it.. i say run it longer. Won't injecting avoid first-pass metabolism.. thus reducing the overall hepatoxicity?



Nark

[BajanBastard]

Why wait til you become 'non-responsive'?

I don't get it, i have no choice to when my S.cells stops responding to the drugs.

Interesting.. i've seen the compounded listed for sale but never investigated it.

"Similar to high-dose primo in action" i see in response to articles on the compound. Hooker's description of Primo (enanthate ester) indicates that mg for mg, Primo and Masteron (Enanthate ester) are equal.

That being the case... Masteron and 1-test should be equivalent.. no?

It may come down to price.. imma look at a powder list and holla back.. bump for replies.

Well 1-test has a A:A ratio of about 100-200. So that's better than bitch ass primo with an A:A ratio of 88-44.

I'd assume your dose of tren would be lower in the latter cycle... as your doses of the other compounds are gonna be 'lower'.. no?

I don't recall how you aerobic output was affected last tren cycle.. but i assume it was not diminished at 100 mg tren-A ED. 400mg Tren-E Ewk should not be a prob... and should increase the overall effectiveness of this cycle.

Mesteron E is also cheaper than Tren E, that's also a deciding factor.

Understood... I'm on the metformin now.. It DOES leave a funny taste in my mouth... but it's been making positive changes in my physique. How did you use it prior? What dose? Empy stomach or with food?

Nark

BUMP!

I tried it with and w/o food and as low as 500mg, i hate it.


Well i don't want to inject the furazabol bacause its actions on cholesterol may be based on it's interaction in the liver, like letro.

[C_Bino]

I like the cycle man, I like the fact that you are willing to "experiment" with things.

I dont quite understand the "phase" idea tho, will you take time off between or whats the deal? What time frames are we working with?

[BajanBastard]

I like the cycle man, I like the fact that you are willing to "experiment" with things.

I dont quite understand the "phase" idea tho, will you take time off between or whats the deal? What time frames are we working with?

Ok the cycle is in phases for two reasons. First you need more drugs for bulking than you need for cutting. The first phase is all out 'bulking' w/o the water. So that's why i'm using the higher dosages.

The second phase will be the cutting phase and since lower amount drugs are needed to make an effective cutting cycle i'll be reducing the total weekly amount used. (All of this info can be found in the U.R.G steroid book). No need to use dosages of gear that is unnecessary.

[BajanBastard]

Bump?

[*Narkissos*]

Bump!

Our threads get a lot of views but not many replies

[BajanBastard]

Hey C_Bino how was dinner?

[guest589745]

I think they dont get a lot of replies because you guys are the ones who teach us in a way. I aint gonna try to put my .02 in your cycle plan.

Good luck though.

[Kale]

Bump!

Our threads get a lot of views but not many replies

Gee I wonder why that is ?

[*Narkissos*]

I think they dont get a lot of replies because you guys are the ones who teach us in a way. I aint gonna try to put my .02 in your cycle plan.

Good luck though.

I told Kev that was the reason.. Still.. if you've got opinions i'd like to hear 'em... You never know.. we might miss something

[C_Bino]

It was amazing, I think I found my soulmate LOL. You bastard.

Honestly man Im not too sure what to say about the cycle, It looks fine to me. Its hard to comment just because I havent tried bridging (if you are goin to cruise on 250 weekly Test E between phases), but the only thing I can say is get some HCGand run it during atleast the cruise phase like E3D or so just to be safe.

As for the second phase I see looking at your cycle history you have never run EQ before, also never winny. Is there a reason why you chose to cut with EQ? I think Stan could be a good addition to the cycle, but I get the idea you dont like orals.

Also...(I would like Narks opinion on this, as I have never run Masteron), but why not implement it later into phase two? It is usually reserved for sub 10 % bf no? But you are working with the enth ester as well so man its really tricky to work with this, if you were running the prop ester mast. I would say save it and run it for 8 weeks at the end of the cycle up until PCT after EQ and Test E, this way you could reap the benefits more as you could make it down to 9-10% bf before utilizing it.

[C_Bino]

I told Kev that was the reason.. Still.. if you've got opinions i'd like to hear 'em... You never know.. we might miss something

This is so true, I think its more of an intimidation factor (I know intimidation may not be the right word) but people just arent sure what to say about larger more experienced cycles. But hey guys even if you see ANYTHING shout it out. We all have experience and can learn from eachother, maybe once of you has had experience with even the ancillaries he is runing, maybe you think he should incorporate nolva etc etc.

Even if we dont take your advice you have to realize MANY MANY people read these threads, even people who never sign up for the site but just read, and your experience can help others even if not the person who started the thread.

[C_Bino]

*NOTE*This is a cycle translation for those who need it.
Ok this is my plan for a lean mass cycle....well i'm not 100% sure as of yet but i think this will be it.

Stats:

24 yrs
5'11
6 years training
240lbs
13% BF (skin fold)


So here is my next 'real' cycle, my goal here is to gain an absolute minimum of 20lbs, then go right into do a 'cutting' cycle to get under 9% BF.
The cycle will be broken down into two phases.
I may do a 6-8 week low dose test e 'cruse' between the phases if needed.


Phase 1

Trenbolone enanthate: 1000mg wk wk 1-10 Tren Enth
Testosterone enanthate: 500mg wk wk 1-til goals achieved. Test Enth
1-testosterone cypionate: 400mg wk wk 1-10 1-Test Cyp
Boldenone undec: 400mg wk wk 1- until goals achieved. EQ


Phase 2

Testosterone enanthate 500mg wk - until goals achieved. Test Enth
Boldenone undec 400mg wk - until goals achieved. EQ
Drostanolone enanthate 400mg wk - until goals achieved. Masteron Enth

Ancillaries

Letrozole .5mg ED
Cabergoline .25-.5mg E4D
T3 25mcg-50mcg ED
Furazabol 50mg ED 4 wks on/off (not exactly sure no how to use it for cholesterol)
Sylmarin

So any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks

Big k.l.g is a show off with his big language.

[BajanBastard]

It was amazing, I think I found my soulmate LOL. You bastard.

Honestly man Im not too sure what to say about the cycle, It looks fine to me. Its hard to comment just because I havent tried bridging (if you are goin to cruise on 250 weekly Test E between phases), but the only thing I can say is get some HCGand run it during atleast the cruise phase like E3D or so just to be safe.

As for the second phase I see looking at your cycle history you have never run EQ before, also never winny. Is there a reason why you chose to cut with EQ? I think Stan could be a good addition to the cycle, but I get the idea you dont like orals.

Also...(I would like Narks opinion on this, as I have never run Masteron), but why not implement it later into phase two? It is usually reserved for sub 10 % bf no? But you are working with the enth ester as well so man its really tricky to work with this, if you were running the prop ester mast. I would say save it and run it for 8 weeks at the end of the cycle up until PCT after EQ and Test E, this way you could reap the benefits more as you could make it down to 9-10% bf before utilizing it.

Well i'm happy for you.

Well the EQ will be thoughtout the cycle and the masteron because i need a DHT derived AAS in the cutting phase for help with fat loss and keeping muscle strengh while dieting with all that cardio.

[C_Bino]

Good call good call. If I was you I would throw in some Primo, we all know you love it. LMAO.

Naw seriously it looks good tho man, you know what you're doing.

[brundle]

Gee I wonder why that is ?

Intimidation

[Kale]

So at the risk of getting flamed off the face of the planet, you have only done two successfull cycles if I am reading this right. Dont you think these doses are kind of extreme for a third cycle. You are a very knowledgable bro, dont get me wrong. But if you wernt a vet I would suggest there would be a lot of critisim of these doses.

[*Narkissos*]

So at the risk of getting flamed off the face of the planet, you have only done two successfull cycles if I am reading this right. Dont you think these doses are kind of extreme for a third cycle. You are a very knowledgable bro, dont get me wrong. But if you wernt a vet I would suggest there would be a lot of critisim of these doses.

After experimenting with higher dosages, albeit for short durations, to assess sides during that experimental phase.. and not experiencing any.. why would one backpedal on the dosage in the 'real cycle'?

[Kale]

After experimenting with higher dosages, albeit for short durations, to assess sides during that experimental phase.. and not experiencing any.. why would one backpedal on the dosage in the 'real cycle'?

If he got 20lbs of muscle out of his 2nd cycle of

2nd:
Testosterone enanthate 500mg wk 6wks
Trenbolone acetate 75mg ED 6wks

what would be the expected gains from such a large cycle ? Just seems like a waste of juice to me for gains that would be potentially gained from lower doses.

Just have to be aware that lots of newbies will be reading this and thinking what a great idea.

[bolin]

I just want to know one thing...... for how long do tou think this whole cycle will last?? just an estimation please

[Kale]

I just want to know one thing...... for how long do tou think this whole cycle will last?? just an estimation please

Read the mans post nuckelhead

[bolin]

i did read it butthead but he doesnt state the weeks... he just says.....till goals achieved....how much is the estimated time for that?? just want to know

[ShnouzedUp]

WOW! Now this has been educational...

[Kale]

i did read it butthead but he doesnt state the weeks... he just says.....till goals achieved....how much is the estimated time for that?? just want to know

And the answer is "Till Goals achieved" he wont know how long that wiill be until the goal is achieved .. der

[bolin]

mmmmmmm thats really good..... the thing is that I posted a thread about a long cycle and everyone flamed me... but no one flames him cause he doesnt have a cycle end date.

I didn't ask for a specific date or week time..... i just asked for an estimation... I think that he does have an estimation

[anabolicbruce]

masteron E is one of the best compounds I personally have ever run (and i've tried almost everything). I am currently running 600mgs/week with 500mgs test e, bf hanging around 9% (DEXA) and I've been eating like a horse!

I've been doing somthing vedry similiar as far as the phases go, been on for 7 months started my bulking in Oct. then bridged with test @ 250mg/week for 2 months, then uped it to 500mgs adding the mast @ 600mg.

Good luck bro

[BajanBastard]

So at the risk of getting flamed off the face of the planet, you have only done two successfull cycles if I am reading this right. Dont you think these doses are kind of extreme for a third cycle. You are a very knowledgable bro, dont get me wrong. But if you wernt a vet I would suggest there would be a lot of critisim of these doses.

I agree 100% with what you said, that's why the VET and MODS post our cycles in the secret under ground lair because we'll get good feedback (positive and negative) among ourselves.
I am using 300mg above the 2000mg/week standard for the bulking phase and a lot less for the cutting phase. I don't really believe in time on/off once you're healthy and still getting the results the gear should be giving. Here's is my logic: if 500mg of an AS does not give you sides and you're growing why not 600? The more AAS you take the more muscle gains, fat loss you'll get so use the highest dose you can w/o getting adverse sides effects, if that dose is 500 or 5000mg depends on the individual.

I

just want to know one thing...... for how long do tou think this whole cycle will last?? just an estimation please

Good question, i'm guessing 10 weeks 'bulking' although this is a muscle gain phase I'll be losing fat during this time as well. About 8-10 weeks 'cutting' should get me too where i want to be. So i guess the cycle will be 18-20 weeks 24 weeks max.

After experimenting with higher dosages, albeit for short durations, to assess sides during that experimental phase.. and not experiencing any.. why would one backpedal on the dosage in the 'real cycle'?

Simple. 99% of internet steroid boards don't encourage members too think for themselves or think outside of the box. Who says you 'have' to do a certain amount or type of drugs for a 2nd, 3rd or 4th cycle?

[shadyadam]

Wow what a sick cycle! Good luck man!!

[dazbo]

WOW its good to read some of the types of cycles you guys use. Its amazing how it look so much more simple in the translated version lol.

Just one thing to ask though. How is a "Skinfold" 13% BF ???

Also, how come I keep hearing about how steroids WILL NOT help burn fat (I dont beleive this) but you are using them to help with that? So is it true that they do then ?

Why run test enth when cutting - I thought prop is generally used here for various reasons?

You said you will use T3 along with it @ 25mg-50mg. From what Ive read, 25mg is pretty useless as the body supposedly produces this amount anyway?? Am I wrong with that?

jus thought Id av a go at replying!! lol