So why use anadrol?

[BigBrad330]

Hey i've noticed how everyone says you lose all your gains w/ anadrol, so why even use it to jumpstart a cycle? if you're going to lose it after taking it, and gain the same amount of weight in the end w/ other substances why even take it. For instance say a guy weighed 180 lbs. and did a cycle with test e, deca, and anadrol and in the end weighed 195 lbs. Say he did the cycle w/out anadrol, wouldn't he put on around the same weight in the end?

[tank2005]

i hear that it gives you huge strenth gains ....with lots of warter retencion....

[BigBrad330]

bump

[musclestack]

Personally, Brad, I hate aromatizing orals. It seems as though everytime I jumpstart with Drol or Dbol, I can't gain anymore weight after I discontinue it. It's like the rest of the cycle is just spent solidifying the gains made in the first 3-4 weeks...what the hell's the fun in that?!?!

I know this didn't really help you out any with your question, but I'll throw in a BUMP for ya.

MS

[testosterona]

i assume for the immidiate strength and wieght increase. there really is nothing quite like it. and it will increase protien sythisiys, so to say that abombs don't build any muscle is wrong.

[crash187ct]

i'm glad someone asked this, i was wondering the same thing for a while.

[*Narkissos*]

Personally, Brad, I hate aromatizing orals.

Anadrol is a DHT-derivative.. it cannot aromatise

[*Narkissos*]

Hey i've noticed how everyone says you lose all your gains w/ anadrol

You lose water.. not 'gains'... People confuse the two.

so why even use it to jumpstart a cycle?

To jumpstart the cycle.. that's the whole point. Who wants to wait around for 3 weeks to start feeling stronger.. see improved recovery etc.?

Conversely... you COULD always jumpstart your cycle with test-prop/test-base... but then again i personally prefer an oral. I already end up sticking myself so regularly during the cycle.. why add another injectable?

if you're going to lose it after taking it, and gain the same amount of weight in the end w/ other substances why even take it.

Refer to parts 1 and 2 of my reply.

For instance say a guy weighed 180 lbs. and did a cycle with test e, deca, and anadrol and in the end weighed 195 lbs. Say he did the cycle w/out anadrol, wouldn't he put on around the same weight in the end?

Not necessarily... and stop confusing 'weight' with muscle.

I think if you appropriately 'jumpstart' your cycle you can increase lean gains. Think about it. Without the jumpstart.. increased nitrogen retention does not start til weeks into the cycle. Why not jumpstart and capitalise on it?

Narkissos

[BajanBastard]

Anadrol is a DHT-derivative.. it cannot aromatise

Stop being a smart ass. I never understood the use of 'bulking' drugs and 'bulking' cycles myself.

[Liftnainez]

You lose water.. not 'gains'... People confuse the two.



To jumpstart the cycle.. that's the whole point. Who wants to wait around for 3 weeks to start feeling stronger.. see improved recovery etc.?

Conversely... you COULD always jumpstart your cycle with test-prop/test-base... but then again i personally prefer an oral. I already end up sticking myself so regularly during the cycle.. why add another injectable?



Refer to parts 1 and 2 of my reply.



Not necessarily... and stop confusing 'weight' with muscle.

I think if you appropriately 'jumpstart' your cycle you can increase lean gains. Think about it. Without the jumpstart.. increased nitrogen retention does not start til weeks into the cycle. Why not jumpstart and capitalise on it?

Narkissos

Nicely said!

[*Narkissos*]

Stop being a smart ass.

lol.. i can't help it

I never understood the use of 'bulking' drugs and 'bulking' cycles myself.

ditto

[oldman]

Can I throw a bump here too and throw in another question on this? From what I read you do not use Anti-e during the short cycle of androl because you want your estrogen levels high so you can increase test levels, gain water weight... am I understanding this correctly? If so, are we worried about gyno or fat gain or ???

bump for the OP answer more.. but let me throw this in.. if you do gain weight (I hear up to 12 lbs in the first 2 weeks) and your strength goes way up would you not build a lot of muscle because of the heavier weights?

Hope that makes sense.


~Old

[Venum]

testosterona is that you in the pic???? eat something! god damn!

[brundle]

Can I throw a bump here too and throw in another question on this? From what I read you do not use Anti-e during the short cycle of androl because you want your estrogen levels high so you can increase test levels, gain water weight... am I understanding this correctly? If so, are we worried about gyno or fat gain or ???

bump for the OP answer more.. but let me throw this in.. if you do gain weight (I hear up to 12 lbs in the first 2 weeks) and your strength goes way up would you not build a lot of muscle because of the heavier weights?

~Old

I would like to hear the answers to these questions also!
Plus, is Anadrol a high-risk drug for gyno?? i mean, it doesn't aromatize, so... how is gyno possible?

[Trendkill]

i was pretty sure orals are used to jumpstart cycles because of the immediate results as opposed to waiting for the injectable to act, taking however long (5-7 weeks),once your off the oral, the injectable kicks in, so its constant gain.

[Trendkill]

heavy weight training (tlifting properly) packs on muscle mass does it not?

[RA]

heavy weight training (tlifting properly) packs on muscle mass does it not?

IMO, its food, gear, training.

[BajanBastard]

Can I throw a bump here too and throw in another question on this? From what I read you do not use Anti-e during the short cycle of androl because you want your estrogen levels high so you can increase test levels, gain water weight... am I understanding this correctly? If so, are we worried about gyno or fat gain or ???

bump for the OP answer more.. but let me throw this in.. if you do gain weight (I hear up to 12 lbs in the first 2 weeks) and your strength goes way up would you not build a lot of muscle because of the heavier weights?

Hope that makes sense.


~Old

Drol simulates the estrogen receptor itself, so an A.I might interfere with its overall anabolic effects. Estrogen lowers testosterone levels not the opposite. If i ever use a bulking oral a want one that can add real muscle tissue bolasterone would be my 1st choice.

[oldman]

Drol simulates the estrogen receptor itself, so an A.I might interfere with its overall anabolic effects. Estrogen lowers testosterone levels not the opposite. If i ever use a bulking oral a want one that can add real muscle tissue bolasterone would be my 1st choice.

Thank you for the correction I guess that makes more sense as on my blood work last year my est levels were way too high and my Test levels were at a 56 out of 340+ (whatever the levels should be for an old guy like me).


EDIT>> so is Gyno an issue here for the first 4 weeks of using them and Test E and Deca? with drol and not using an anti-e


Not familiar with those oral you noted but I will do some reading.

thanks Big..


~Old

[BajanBastard]

Thank you for the correction I guess that makes more sense as on my blood work last year my est levels were way too high and my Test levels were at a 56 out of 340+ (whatever the levels should be for an old guy like me).


EDIT>> so is Gyno an issue here for the first 4 weeks of using them and Test E and Deca? with drol and not using an anti-e


Not familiar with those oral you noted but I will do some reading.

thanks Big..


~Old

If you're prone yeah gyno would be a problem. I'm not sure what the RBA for anadrol is too the estrogen receptor, if i did i'd have a definite answer.

[ACAZORES]

I got more gains in mass and strenght with 50mg a day of D-BOL than 100mg a day of Anadrol

[jayheero]

yeah dbol works better i think abombs can be beat at 150mg or 200 though but i like dbol the great feeling dbol gives you no wonder arnie loves his dbol with cereal.

[testosterona]

testosterona is that you in the pic???? eat something! god damn!

lol, no

[BOBBY D]

Personally, Brad, I hate aromatizing orals. It seems as though everytime I jumpstart with Drol or Dbol, I can't gain anymore weight after I discontinue it. It's like the rest of the cycle is just spent solidifying the gains made in the first 3-4 weeks...what the hell's the fun in that?!?!

I know this didn't really help you out any with your question, but I'll throw in a BUMP for ya.

MS

u know the same thing happend to me & im thinking the same. i used 1 cycle w/ dbol to jumpstart & 1 cycle w/ drol to jumpstart. i find that i cant gain after i didcontinue the orals as well..

[BOBBY D]

anyway the answer to ur post i would say that by gaining strength fast, u r able to push more weight which makes ur muscle grow faster. then u lose water weight, but by that time the injectables kick in to maintain & gain new muscle.. but diet has the key roll w/ keeping gains..

[BigBrad330]

so if all you want is to gain weight off of a cylce, will anadrol help in the end, or end up the same w/out it in the end?

[oldman]

so if all you want is to gain weight off of a cylce, will anadrol help in the end, or end up the same w/out it in the end?

I am not talking from experience because this is my first cycle using Drol but I do not see why you would not be able to keep Some weight gain from it but an oral cycle to me seems like a waste. Drol should not be used for more then 4-6 weeks due tot he toxicity on the liver (from what I have read). I am using 4 weeks to kick start a fat cycle...ummm I mean bulk cycle but would never use it alone, not worth the trouble, expense or work to only keep a small amount of gains.

~Old

[Timm1704]

Hey i've noticed how everyone says you lose all your gains w/ anadrol, so why even use it to jumpstart a cycle? if you're going to lose it after taking it, and gain the same amount of weight in the end w/ other substances why even take it. For instance say a guy weighed 180 lbs. and did a cycle with test e, deca, and anadrol and in the end weighed 195 lbs. Say he did the cycle w/out anadrol, wouldn't he put on around the same weight in the end?

i used to wonder the same thing, got to grips with it now though. using drol will usually result in alot of water weight, which equates for more strength in the gym, heavier weights lifted, more trauma to the muscle fibers, and then a nice, solid recovery from the increased protein synthesis. so, you can gain a nice bit of beef from anadrol, but, you will lose the substantial water weight after you finish, which will likely play games with your head. orals are a great way to jumpstart a cycle, but i go no longer than 6 weeks with orals, 4 weeks with drol tops. i dont plan on using drol again though, as it made me feel awful and killed my appetite. will be using dianabol for the first 6 weeks of my next cycle

[LOKITSC]

Why use drol?

For me drol helped me get over the fact that I hate needles. You see major gains in size and strength very quickly; for example, i went from sqeezing out a couple of reps with 300 on the bench to 6 reps with 315 in two weeks. It made it easier to justify poking myself with a needle.

The sides differ for individuals. I have never had any sides, other than a mild feeling of being unwell in the morning, as if I'd had three or four beers the night before.

Drol helps start a cycle psychologically and physically.

[thunderin]

Drol simulates the estrogen receptor itself, so an A.I might interfere with its overall anabolic effects. Estrogen lowers testosterone levels not the opposite.

Does that apply to aromasin as well?

[BajanBastard]

Does that apply to aromasin as well?

I doubt. Binding to the E.R only could never produce the gains A-50 gives. So it's mostly another mechanism in action.