Is this cycle TOO LONG??

[bolin]

age 23
175lb
10%bf
5 cycles


this is my cycle....do you think its too long?? should I separate the cycle with a month off?

1-10: testoviron (500mg/week)
11-20: test prop (dont know yet 100mg eod?)
1-19: deca (400mg/week)
6-12: wins (30mg ed)
12-20: var (50mg ed)

PCT will follow

Thanks guys

[Kale]

Very strange !!! Five cycles and you are only 23 and weigh 175lb ? You are doing something wrong bro

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IMO its kinda long coz most people do it 12-14 wks coz most of dem will stop growing after dat so i see no point of running a cycle dat long

[marcus300]

age 23
175lb
10%bf
5 cycles


this is my cycle....do you think its too long?? should I separate the cycle with a month off?

1-10: testoviron (500mg/week)
11-20: test prop (dont know yet 100mg eod?)
1-19: deca (400mg/week)
6-12: wins (30mg ed)
12-20: var (50mg ed)

PCT will follow

Thanks guys

mmmmm In my opinion yes its to long and not planned out correctly anyway, but i don't like long cycles anyway so am sure other people may say different but at 23yrs id say yes its to long.

Now looking at your stats you seem to have not grown much with 5 cycles under your belt, whats your cycle history look like?
Id say you need more food and not more AAS or longer weeks.

cycle history?

[bolin]

well.... 2 of my cycles were just 6 weeks long....
the other 3 were 10 weeks of testoviron and deca....

I dont want to be huge i just want to be cut...my dosages are relativaly low....and I do eat 7 meals a day..... My goal is to be 170lb with 5% bf... dont want more.

I wanted to do a lean bulk cycle with a cutter... but since that summer is nearly here I did not want to do much of a break between the cycles

[marcus300]

well.... 2 of my cycles were just 6 weeks long....
the other 3 were 10 weeks of testoviron and deca....

I dont want to be huge i just want to be cut...my dosages are relativaly low....and I do eat 7 meals a day..... My goal is to be 170lb with 5% bf... dont want more.

I wanted to do a lean bulk cycle with a cutter... but since that summer is nearly here I did not want to do much of a break between the cycles

Just do a 10 week cutter cycle and a good diet/cardio program, that will get the result your looking for, the bodyweight your trying to achieve is very obtainable with just diet, id defo reconsider your cycle plans, if any at all.

[bolin]

Sorry my bad... I am 180lbs (82kg)

yes I know it is very obtainable... but it depends on the conditioning you are in....

i will do a cutter.....

I am clipping a pic of last summer... I was 163lbs

I want to more cut then last year but 170lbs

[2.minutes]

Sorry my bad... I am 180lbs (82kg)

yes I know it is very obtainable... but it depends on the conditioning you are in....

i will do a cutter.....

I am clipping a pic of last summer... I was 163lbs

I want to more cut then last year but 170lbs

were ya juicing here ??

[bolin]

finished a cycle.. of test and wins

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finished a cycle.. of test and wins

man i think u nead to bulk instead of cut beside it seems something wrong with ur diet

[bolin]

hey mate... first of all you dont tell me what in NEED to do.... i dont want to be big as i said before....

you dont even know my diet ho do you know its wrong?

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hey mate... first of all you dont tell me what in NEED to do.... i dont want to be big as i said before....

you dont even know my diet ho do you know its wrong?

coz looking at ur pic its not like some one did AAS beside if u dont wanna get big as u said why did u post that long cycle with 5 compounds ??

[lucabratzi]

coz looking at ur pic its not like some one did AAS beside if u dont wanna get big as u said why did u post that long cycle with 5 compounds ??

agreed...i dont think u need all that shit for such a long time...can u post a typcial cutting or bulking diet or both if u have time...

[bolin]

the cycle is too long i know.. but the doses are low too......

this is the current diet

6.30am oats and eggs

8.30 brown bread with turkey ham and apple

10.30 pro shake, fruit

12.30 rice and chicken, 1 yogurt

2.30 pro shake

4.30 meat w patatoes

7.00 pro shake and 1 banana

9.30 chicken breast or meat

in summer i reduce the carbs so as to try to leave the necessary carbs... that of breakfast and PWO

[Steel_Test]

Let an expert help you


keep your diet, For days 1,2,3, don't consume carbs more protein. Day 4 consume what you have listed above. After day 4 contiue to count 123 then 4.

It is important you get addiquate calories to support your gear, so on days 123 go with your good fats.

The problem with a lot of amatures the read different boards and they thing 14 weeks on a cycle is long enough. Not always the case. You can go 24 weeks.

Your workouts must change every 4 to 6 weeks if you do the same sets and reps.

I am an IBBF pro and I give good info not hearsay.

If your muscles don't burn from overworking them (the feeling) your results will be poor. BURN with almost no rest inbetween sets either adding weight or sets.

[lucabratzi]

Let an expert help you


keep your diet, For days 1,2,3, don't consume carbs more protein. Day 4 consume what you have listed above. After day 4 contiue to count 123 then 4.

It is important you get addiquate calories to support your gear, so on days 123 go with your good fats.

The problem with a lot of amatures the read different boards and they thing 14 weeks on a cycle is long enough. Not always the case. You can go 24 weeks.
most of us here arent goin pro. advice like goin 6 months on without pct. isnt a very good idea. someone will read ur advice and think oh he must be right cause he's a pro..shutting down ur system for that long at that age is a bad idea...
Your workouts must change every 4 to 6 weeks if you do the same sets and reps.

I am an IBBF pro and I give good info not hearsay.

read bold...and i thought it was ifbb...

[lucabratzi]

If your muscles don't burn from overworking them (the feeling) your results will be poor. BURN with almost no rest inbetween sets either adding weight or sets.

im honestly doubting ur in the ifbb...with comments like dont take breaks between sets..

[marcus300]

Let an expert help you


keep your diet, For days 1,2,3, don't consume carbs more protein. Day 4 consume what you have listed above. After day 4 contiue to count 123 then 4.

It is important you get addiquate calories to support your gear, so on days 123 go with your good fats.

The problem with a lot of amatures the read different boards and they thing 14 weeks on a cycle is long enough. Not always the case. You can go 24 weeks.

Your workouts must change every 4 to 6 weeks if you do the same sets and reps.

I am an IBBF pro and I give good info not hearsay.

[2.minutes]

Let an expert help you


keep your diet, For days 1,2,3, don't consume carbs more protein. Day 4 consume what you have listed above. After day 4 contiue to count 123 then 4.

It is important you get addiquate calories to support your gear, so on days 123 go with your good fats.

The problem with a lot of amatures the read different boards and they thing 14 weeks on a cycle is long enough. Not always the case. You can go 24 weeks.

Your workouts must change every 4 to 6 weeks if you do the same sets and reps.

I am an IBBF pro and I give good info not hearsay.

i would say if u were an IBBF pro u wouldnt ask abt using nolvadex
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=45259

[lucabratzi]

i would say if u were an IBBF pro u wouldnt ask abt using nolvadex
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=45259

from his profile My current stats are 6'00 200 10% bf. that doesnt sound like stats of a pro....i didnt want to be the first to say it without evidence but thank u 2 min...

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from his profile My current stats are 6'00 200 10% bf. that doesnt sound like stats of a pro....i didnt want to be the first to say it without evidence but thank u 2 min...

w.com bro

[P Rock]

the longer the cycle the more chances of sides.

[Steel_Test]

U guys are internet geeks. u read something on the net and u think u are experts.

want to beeeees IBBF, more like NGA

[Steel_Test]

Read this Thread
Http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=nothingness

[juiceboxxx]

Bro no offense but you wasted mad money. 5 cycles and your 180?

Yes you have potential to grow and MUST BULK. Whather you want to hear it or not too bad, its what you must do.

Waste of money in my opinion. Hit the diet/training forum. your lacking something.

[bolin]

i think my diet is in check..... correct me if I am wrong...

I did go to the diet forum and posted several questions there to get to my diet

Just wanted to say this... WEIGHING MORE DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE BETTER!!!

so you are saying that people that compete and are ONLY 155lbs or less are wasting their money??

here is an example... just one of many

OOOooooo and his off season is just 75kg

[Pinum]

Why aren't you considering shorter cycles at your age? Shorties seem to be logical and they don't seem to supress your long term HTPA. At your age I would be concerned with some long term goals say 5-10 years from now.

[bonerdonor]

i think my diet is in check..... correct me if I am wrong...

I did go to the diet forum and posted several questions there to get to my diet

Just wanted to say this... WEIGHING MORE DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE BETTER!!!

so you are saying that people that compete and are ONLY 155lbs or less are wasting their money??

here is an example... just one of many

OOOooooo and his off season is just 75kg

No but Weighing more is the purpose of AAS. Cutting cycles are idealy meant to be used at a time when Gains could potentialy be lost after bulking. If you dont want size, dont use AAS. U dont need steroids to cut when your 170lbs.
And BTW he is 155lbs because he is probably 5 foot 1.

[dazbo]

And BTW he is 155lbs because he is probably 5 foot 1.

was just about to say the same thing!

[Logan13]

Sorry my bad... I am 180lbs (82kg)

yes I know it is very obtainable... but it depends on the conditioning you are in....

i will do a cutter.....

I am clipping a pic of last summer... I was 163lbs

I want to more cut then last year but 170lbs

You do not need to juice to reach these goals. If you actually wanted to add good mass I could understand. But you are kinda thin and want to cut further.......just do diet and cardio. IMO, if you don't add some mass and continue to cut you will look like a marathon runner. Maybe that's what you want, but AAS is not needed for that.

[playboii]

You do not need to juice to reach these goals. If you actually wanted to add good mass I could understand. But you are kinda thin and want to cut further.......just do diet and cardio. IMO, if you don't add some mass and continue to cut you will look like a marathon runner. Maybe that's what you want, but AAS is not needed for that.

that is true for the physique and 5 cycles under your belt and ur size is just weird..but like everyone says you deff dont need gear all your doing is giving your body unnecessary side affects when u can achieve your goal by dieting and running. and yeah your just wasting your money on gear tryna achieve something u can by buying products at gnc

[lucabratzi]

U guys are internet geeks. u read something on the net and u think u are experts.

want to beeeees IBBF, more like NGA

yeah ok we're internet geeks..ur the one that pretends to be in the IFBB yeah ur real ****in cool...u dont even know that its called ifbb..do u feel better that ur tellin people ur a pro body builder..ur a ****in dork...get a life...and ur link is nothing...so learn to post that shit too...

[*Narkissos*]

you dont even know my diet ho do you know its wrong?

It IS wrong.

I recall your cutting diet last year... and it was bad.. and you didn't understand why it was bad.

Do you not remember you thread?

If you're lean at 180 currently.. and want to get to a lean 170-175 you don't need AAS.

Ok.. let's say your mind is set on AAS.. that's all well and good.

So i'll answer your question(s)

this is my cycle....do you think its too long?? should I separate the cycle with a month off?

The cycle is too long yes.. especially with the goals you have in mind:

You're currently 180 lbs with 10 % bodyfat.. that puts you at 162 lbs LBM.

You want to be 175 lbs with 5 % bodyfat:166.25 lbs of lean mass

i.e. you want to add just over 4 lbs of muscle and take off just about 10+ lbs of fat.

5-6 weeks of moderate dieting would take of 10-15 lbs (average) of fat.

Follow where i'm going with this.

Logically if your fat-loss goals can be accomplished in 5-6 weeks minus AAS.. then your cycle need not be 20 weeks in duration.

'k.. as to your other goal... gaining lean muscle.. 4 lbs.. 4 lbs *Narkissos is thinking*

4 lbs of muscle in 6 weeks is more than possible on AAS.

So what do i suggest?

A 12 week cycle.

Maybe a '6-week cutter' followed by a '6-week lean mass cycle' (i hate those terms by the way... They're so 'cliche')

1-10: testoviron (500mg/week)
11-20: test prop (dont know yet 100mg eod?)
1-19: deca (400mg/week)
6-12: wins (30mg ed)
12-20: var (50mg ed)

PCT will follow

Since you're suggesting 9 weeks of Var.. that means Var must be available to you. My suggestions will be based on the info you've provided above.

I believe the var should be included in the 'cutting' portion of the cycle. Var is a 'fat-burning steroid', it's effects being partially mediated tru the action at the AR-receptor (and tru another mechanism). The effect is dose dependant.

I believe 100 mg ED for weeks 1-4 is it.

Since you have 9 weeks of Var listed above @ 50 mgs ED.. i think my suggestion is possible for you.. correct?

Winstrol at the end.. hm.. i prefer to run a dht-derivative tru-out.. but i wouldn't suggest 12 straight weeks of orals.. that's why i cut the Var-run short. You can add the winstrol at the end: weeks 9-12.. at the dosage you've experience with.

I don't like the testoviron (prop+ enanthate)... but if it's available and cost-effective for you run it tru-out. Conversely if prop is better for you (cost/availability) then run it tru-out

I don't like the deca in there.. I would prefer another 19-nor..but if you want it in.. keep it.

How about:

Weeks 1-12: testoviron (500 mg)
Weeks 1-10: Deca (400 mg)
Weeks 1-4: Anavar (100 mg ED)
Weeks 9-12: Winstrol: (30 mg ED)
Weeks 1-12: Letrozole

Standard PCT

Or:

Weeks 1-12: test prop: 50 mg ED
Weeks 1-10: Tren-A: 50 mg ED
Weeks 1-12: Anavar: 50 mg ED
(or you could run the Var: Weeks 1-4 and weeks 9-12.. your choice)

Standard PCT

I like the 2nd cycle better personally.

Simple.. relatively safe

Narkissos

[BajanBastard]

EXCELLENT post Narkipoo! Looking at it like how you laid it out he can save himself some money and just use Test with var and cardio for 10-12 weeks to attain his goals.

[*Narkissos*]

Let an expert help you

LMAO!

'Expert'..suggesting to someone new to the board.. with limited diet knowledge.. to jump on DNP?

You're no expert.. Who-ever's been fooling you should stop.

keep your diet, For days 1,2,3, don't consume carbs more protein. Day 4 consume what you have listed above. After day 4 contiue to count 123 then 4.

To lose 10 lbs of fat you suggest he goes carb-less for 6 days out of each week? (yes 3 off + 1 on+ 3 off= 6 days out of each week )... that drastic of a measure to lose 10 lbs in 20 weeks?

LMAO!

*with-holds further comments*

The problem with a lot of amatures the read different boards and they thing 14 weeks on a cycle is long enough. Not always the case. You can go 24 weeks.

I think you fail to judge this case for what it is. Yes long cycles can work.. yes long cycles can work.. yes long cycles can work. Ok.. said it three times so you can do your dance of joy for being right for ONCE since posting on this board.

Now to my point, his goals are to gain 4 lbs of lean muscle and drop 10+ goals fo fat. Why would be need 20 ****ing weeks of gear to do that?

You are a clown

Your workouts must change every 4 to 6 weeks if you do the same sets and reps.

I am an IBBF pro and I give good info not hearsay.

Now i understand why your advice is garbage.

Most pros know nothing. (Yes i sad most.)

I know pros.. My coach coaches 3 pros.

They echo this sentiment... Saying most of the guys just shoot a bunch of shit... of course if you're on a bunch of shit getting in shape is no problem.

The US-based pros i know say the same thing. Most pros don't know shit. That's why they work with coaches.. nutrionists... etc.

I compete under the IFBB banner... Projected pro-card attainment t-minus 6 years.

Anyway.. that is irrelvant.. as irrelvant as each of your posts here.

Go away you dangerous fly.

Narkissos

[BigDaddy2003]

LMAO!

'Expert'..suggesting to someone new to the board.. with limited diet knowledge.. to jump on DNP?

You're no expert.. Who-ever's been fooling you should stop.




To lose 10 lbs of fat you suggest he goes carb-less for 6 days out of each week? (yes 3 off + 1 on+ 3 off= 6 days out of each week )... that drastic of a measure to lose 10 lbs in 20 weeks?

LMAO!

*with-holds further comments*



I think you fail to judge this case for what it is. Yes long cycles can work.. yes long cycles can work.. yes long cycles can work. Ok.. said it three times so you can do your dance of joy for being right for ONCE since posting on this board.

Now to my point, his goals are to gain 4 lbs of lean muscle and drop 10+ goals fo fat. Why would be need 20 ****ing weeks of gear to do that?

You are a clown



Now i understand why your advice is garbage.

Most pros know nothing. (Yes i sad most.)

I know pros.. My coach coaches 3 pros.

They echo this sentiment... Saying most of the guys just shoot a bunch of shit... of course if you're on a bunch of shit getting in shape is no problem.

The US-based pros i know say the same thing. Most pros don't know shit. That's why they work with coaches.. nutrionists... etc.

I compete under the IFBB banner... Projected pro-card attainment t-minus 6 years.

Anyway.. that is irrelvant.. as irrelvant as each of your posts here.

Go away you dangerous fly.

Narkissos

you never fail to amaze me

[playboii]

am I the only one that thinks this guys goal is dumb?

[BajanBastard]

Go away you dangerous fly.

Who's yer daddy now?

[*Narkissos*]

you never fail to amaze me

Don't get me wrong man... I'm not here to own anyone ('cept maybe Tranzit when he shows up j/k Tranzit)

I just don't like anyone (re: anyone!) dispensing stupid advice...

Stupid, stupid advice i'd say.

AAS-use is no joke... wish i could say the same about this 'Steel_Test' character

Narkissos

[*Narkissos*]

am I the only one that thinks this guys goal is dumb?

I don't... Each of us has a different reason for AAS use.

And each of is entitled to that reason.

Your job is to respect that right.

No need to respond if you don't want to.

If you choose to respond.. you have automatically chosen to respect the individual... and reply with aide to their goal.. or aide in persuading them to change their goal.

Narkissos