TBol Dosaging Oddity

[faceboy]

So its finals week and I need to procrastinate some more, and I got to thinking about my next cycle of Tbol for 6wks at 60mg ED. And here is what I came up with when I was trying to decide whether to go with a split dosage twice a day (30mgs) or a single dosage every day (60mgs).

Heres at 30mg x 2 ED.

30mg at inception Levels:
12hrs later --> ~18.75mg + another dosage 30mg = 48.75mg
12hrs later --> ~30.47mg + another dosage 30mg = 60.47mg
12hrs later --> ~37.79mg + another dosage 30mg = 67.79mg
12hrs later --> ~42.37mg + another dosage 30mg = 72.37mg
12hrs later --> ~45.23mg + another dosage 30mg = 75.23mg
12hrs later --> ~47.02mg + another dosage 30mg = 77.02mg
12hrs later --> ~48.11mg + another dosage 30mg = 78.11mg
12hrs later --> ~48.83mg + another dosage 30mg = 78.83mg
12hrs later --> ~49.27mg + another dosage 30mg = 79.27mg
12hrs later --> ~49.54mg + another dosage 30mg = 79.54mg
12hrs later --> ~49.71mg + another dosage 30mg = 79.71mg
12hrs later --> ~49.82mg + another dosage 30mg = 79.82mg
12hrs later --> ~49.89mg + another dosage 30mg = 79.89mg
12hrs later --> ~49.93mg + another dosage 30mg = 79.93mg

These calculation were based on the 16hr half life of tbol.
As you can see the levels plateau towards the end of the first week, and continue to level off to insignificant decimals.

Here again at 60mg once a day:

60mg at inception (same format) Levels:
24hrs later --> ~22.50mg + another dosage 60mg = 82.50 mg
24hrs later --> ~30.94mg + another dosage 60mg = 90.94 mg
24hrs later --> ~34.10mg + another dosage 60mg = 94.10 mg
24hrs later --> ~35.29mg + another dosage 60mg = 95.29 mg
24hrs later --> ~35.73mg + another dosage 60mg = 95.73 mg
24hrs later --> ~35.90mg + another dosage 60mg = 95.90 mg
24hrs later --> ~35.96mg + another dosage 60mg = 95.96 mg

Of course this doesnt take into account many factors but on paper, it seems pretty interesting. I find it interesting how the dosage increases so sharply over just a week span and levels off. Which may coincide with the reported headaches and GI distress for the first 7-10 days? And/or why some may report a 'shutdown' even at a dosage of 60mgs, rather at the more likely 80+mg dosages? Im curious as to the dosages for which anyone reported a 'shutdown feeling' at 60mgs; being either once or twice daily. This may explain why.

Just a thought.

And this may seem basic, but I have yet to find anything on loading phases when it comes to aas, or particularly tbol... imput appreciated.

[faceboy]

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[MAXIMA5]

It's half-life is 16-hours, so I don't think it matters whe you take it. I always split doses anyways. I just make sure I take it with food.

[faceboy]

Yeah, the calculations are based on a 16hr half life, and yes the split dosages are more stable when you assess the minima and maxima, but thats not what im trying to address.

[MAXIMA5]

So what are you suggesting then? That daily full doses can reach maximum levels more quickly?

[faceboy]

I'm suggesting that a once daily full dosage can reach a maximum peak levels faster, but your minimum levels prior to your next dosage are much lower than desired, so on paper anyway it seems that a split dosage is indeed better, because the consistent therpeutic dosage is more stable. However, I'm trying to address why some may feel more sides than others at the common 60mg dosage, which could very well be due to the dosage frequency.

[MAXIMA5]

interesting

[faceboy]

bump

[Testostack]

Don't bother, just use it as everybody does........i know that sounds not very thought, but experience is the best thing you can judge from.......

Go for 40-60 mg ED for a fresh start and then if after a week you feel like you can bump up, then gor 70 mg if ya really wanna....

JMHO

[faceboy]

Ok so no one can figure out what I'm suggesting?
I'm just trying to find out why some may feel more sides than others at only 60mg, and it all seems to come down to if they take a full or split dosage, as the numbers indicate. This has nothing to do with my personal cycle.

[faceboy]

bump

[xero]

Really good question faceboy. Was wondering about tbol dosage distribution myself and your question hit the nail on the head.

As you say there does not seem to be any analysis on this. When it comes to test you can find much info on dosage intervals/half-life, almost down to the last minute .

My experience on a recent tbol cycle:
Did 40mg/day first two weeks split into 2x20mg doses @ 8:00 and 22:00. had major headache first 3-4 days, then felt good until about day 11. started getting severe kidney pain (not back pumps) and had to quit on day 16.

I've been wondering if my experience would have differed had my dosage been more distributed over 24hrs i.e. 4x10mg doses every 6 hours.

Anyway thanks for the this post.

xero

[TheMudMan]

The sides factor is more individual and will not be consistant with all users. Someone splitting the doses through the day could experience the same sides as someone that doses once a day.

IMO dosing by the half-life of any drug is going to give better rersults and less sides.

[faceboy]

Thanks for the feedback, the sides for any drug can vary from user to user, just trying to suggest another possibility and give some an idea of their levels when taking Tbol. Taking Tbol at 16 hour intervals ( by half life) would yield levels close to that of the every 12hr dosage with an expected approximate increase of 25% all around, but levels are exponential (based on the drug clearance formula) so thats not exact, but it gives you an idea. And taking it by the half life would be very inconvenient anyway... just think about it:

-(16hr) 8am, 12am (next day), 4pm, 10am, 2am... gets kinda crazy
-(12hr) as opposed to something like 9am and 9pm
-(24hr) or 9 am, then the next day 9am

Keep the comments, coming as I'm trying to learn from this as well.

[Logan13]

Ok so no one can figure out what I'm suggesting?
I'm just trying to find out why some may feel more sides than others at only 60mg, and it all seems to come down to if they take a full or split dosage, as the numbers indicate. This has nothing to do with my personal cycle.

IME with TBOL, most people start to get sides over 60mg ED, no matter the dosing schedule. Don't make it harder than it needs to be.

[faceboy]

Thanks, but I'm speaking of 60mg dosages and there clearly is a difference in the dosage schedule at 60mg by almost 20mg. Not to flame, but did you bother to read the chart based on the drug clearance formula?

[Logan13]

Thanks, but I'm speaking of 60mg dosages and there clearly is a difference in the dosage schedule at 60mg by almost 20mg. Not to flame, but did you bother to read the chart based on the drug clearance formula?

Again, this is not rocket science bro.

[MAXIMA5]

What if you take it exactly at high tide, and on full moons? jk

[faceboy]

Testicular gyno... of the droopy kind, that may be used as an ottoman, dependig on the individual. I'm talking custom cups here Max.

[MAXIMA5]

Testicular gyno... of the droopy kind, that may be used as an ottoman, dependig on the individual. I'm talking custom cups here Max.

[Testostack]

What if you take it exactly at high tide, and on full moons? jk

[mr newbreed]

ive never used tbol before but this is a very intresting read,ive just started using dbol and really am stuck on if i should split the dose into 2x25mgs or just take the full 50mgs and at what time of the day should i take them,i dont mean to hijack your thred but you seem to know what your talking about and was hopeing somebody would help

[KeepingItBalanced]

ive never used tbol before but this is a very intresting read,ive just started using dbol and really am stuck on if i should split the dose into 2x25mgs or just take the full 50mgs and at what time of the day should i take them,i dont mean to hijack your thred but you seem to know what your talking about and was hopeing somebody would help

HIJACKER!!! D bol definitely split the dose... I did Dbol is 3 daily doses I think the half life was something like 4-6 hours.