nolva during cycle yay or nay

**mancunny** · 04-27-2006, 02:22 PM

I'm on caffeine

**2.minutes** · 04-27-2006, 02:26 PM

i would say prevention better than cure

**mancunny** · 04-27-2006, 02:27 PM

bump bump

**mancunny** · 04-27-2006, 02:28 PM

Okay, I agree with you prevention is better than cure! But would taking nolva throughout the cycle daily hurt my gains in any way?
What do YOU guys do?

**taiotosh7** · 04-27-2006, 02:29 PM

nolva works as an anti estrogen while on

**2.minutes** · 04-27-2006, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by mancunny

Okay, I agree with you prevention is better than cure! But would taking nolva throughout the cycle daily hurt my gains in any way?
What do YOU guys do?

IMO it will minimize ur gain but its not dat big deal

**mancunny** · 04-27-2006, 02:34 PM

what do you mean "it will minimize ur gain but its not dat big deal", thats certanly not something I want from a cycle!!!

**novicenovicen** · 04-27-2006, 02:37 PM

it will very lightly hurt your gains.

**taiotosh7** · 04-27-2006, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by mancunny

what do you mean "it will minimize ur gain but its not dat big deal", thats certanly not something I want from a cycle!!!

You want a certain amount of estro as it helps with size and strength gains. Using nolva while on as an anti estro will hinder this......but at 500mg per week, I wouldn't bother imo

**2.minutes** · 04-27-2006, 02:38 PM

well lets say its gonna minimze ur gain for example 5% so i can sacrifice with dat amount for de sake of safety

**mancunny** · 04-27-2006, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by taiotosh7

You want a certain amount of estro as it helps with size and strength gains. Using nolva while on as an anti estro will hinder this......but at 500mg per week, I wouldn't bother imo

you wouldnt bother with nolva while on 500mg test-e/week? Why is this dose considered "low"?

**novicenovicen** · 04-27-2006, 02:57 PM

pretty normal. most people don't get many gyno sides from that dose.

**mancunny** · 04-27-2006, 03:03 PM

why is that begginers, first timers, are discouraged from doing 1000mg/week test cycles or higher dosages in general?

**mds** · 04-27-2006, 03:06 PM

I'm doing 500 of test and 250 of deca , what would be the best to keep some of the water off me

**mancunny** · 04-27-2006, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by mds

I'm doing 500 of test and 250 of deca, what would be the best to keep some of the water off me

Same question, I'm on my second week of 500mg test 300mg deca per week, no water retention, side effects, size/strength gains yet. I'd like to keep the puffyness down to a minimum.

**taiotosh7** · 04-27-2006, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by mancunny

you wouldnt bother with nolva while on 500mg test-e/week? Why is this dose considered "low"?

500mgs is an average bodybuilding dose for a beginner, not real low and not too high. You would want to start off with this amount to see how your body handles it and how well you respond to it. Some are very prone to gyno at this dosage and some can go much much higher w/o sides.....if you were to start out at such a high dose and got sides, you wouldn't know what dosage your sides came at......some get them at 250mg, some at 500mg, some at 750mg, can you feel me?

Originally Posted by mancunny

Same question, I'm on my second week of 500mg test 300mg deca per week, no water retention, side effects, size/strength gains yet. I'd like to keep the puffyness down to a minimum.

Same thing goes for stacking for the first time. for example my first cycle was sus and decca, I got high bp bad......I don't know if it was from the test or the decca or a combo of the 2......you will probably not notice any gains until wk 4 or 5, maybe even 6

**guest589745** · 04-27-2006, 05:06 PM

It is a common mistake to confuse "gains" with water weight. You won't lessen gains from nolva during.

**guest589745** · 04-27-2006, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by taiotosh7

You want a certain amount of estro as it helps with size and strength gains. Using nolva while on as an anti estro will hinder this......but at 500mg per week, I wouldn't bother imo

Nolva is a SERM not an AI. Therefore you can still recieve the benefits from having estrogen in your system even while using nolva.

**taiotosh7** · 04-27-2006, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Nolva is a SERM not an AI. Therefore you can still recieve the benefits from having estrogen in your system even while using nolva.

Yes, nolva can be used for AI on cycle. Conversion into estro is still there but is prevented from binding......now, something like ldex will prevent the conversion from taking place

**guest589745** · 04-27-2006, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by taiotosh7

Yes, nolva can be used for AI on cycle.

It can be used as a SERM because thats what it is. It simply isnt an AI FYI.

**chest6** · 04-27-2006, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by taiotosh7

Using nolva while on as an anti estro will hinder this......

Nolva is not an anti estrogen..please stop saying that

***BajanBastard*** · 04-27-2006, 06:04 PM

Nolva is an anti-estrogen. Anyway if you're on a decent amount of test and deca avoid the nolva because you're chances for getting gyno (from the progestinic effects of the deca) will increase. Use an aromatize inhibitor.

***Alex*** · 04-27-2006, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by chest6

Nolva is not an anti estrogen..please stop saying that

REALLY???
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This drug is a potent nonsteroidal anti-estrogen. It is indicated for use in estrogen dependent tumors, i.e. breast cancer. Steroid users take Nolvadex to prevent the effects of estrogen in the body. This estrogen is most often the result of aromatizing steroids . Nolvadex can aid in preventing edema, gynecomastia , and female pattern fat distribution, all of which might occur when a man\'s estrogen levels are too high. Also, these effects can occur when androgen levels are too low, making estrogen the predominant hormone. This can occur when endogenous androgens have been suppressed by the prolonged use of exogenous steroids. Nolvadex works by competitively binding to target estrogen sites like those at the breast.
This drug is not toxic nor have any side effects been seen in athletes who used the drug\' as an anti-estrogen. This drug is the most popular anti- estrogen amongst steroid users.

Although it does not turn out to be 100% effective for everyone, it does seem to exhibit some level of effectiveness for the majority. It works so well for some bodybuilders they can take drugs like Anadrol right up to a contest as long as they stack it with Nolvadex. It would seem wise to take this drug in conjunction with any steroid cycle. Most reported a dosage of 10 mg to 20 mg daily got the job done. Availability of Nolvadex has been fair on the black market.

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**Kale** · 04-27-2006, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Nolva is an anti-estrogen. Anyway if you're on a decent amount of test and deca avoid the nolva because you're chances for getting gyno (from the progestinic effects of the deca) will increase. Use an aromatize inhibitor.

I agree, Arimidex is a way better choice IMO

**guest589745** · 04-27-2006, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

if you're on a decent amount of test and deca avoid the nolva because you're chances for getting gyno (from the progestinic effects of the deca) will increase. Use an aromatize inhibitor.

thats due to the deca primarily though correct?

***BajanBastard*** · 04-27-2006, 06:12 PM

Correct, although deca cannot cause gyno in the absence of estrogen.

**mancunny** · 04-27-2006, 07:59 PM

okay, well the two drugs I have that I was hoping would help me fight gyno and also be used for PCT are nolva and clomid. So from your replies I understand that neither of these two things will help me incase I get gyno from my test+deca cycle. Any suggestions on what I need to get right now incase gyno becomes a problem? Do i want to purchase some arimidex ? How much?

I have about 105 20mg tabs of nolvadex and about 36 50mg tabs of clomid.

**guest589745** · 04-27-2006, 08:04 PM

They can help.

Read this...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

**mancunny** · 04-27-2006, 08:16 PM

Ok, I will have to invest in some letro. thank you. I noticed that as early as the next day after my first test-e & deca injection my nipples were more sensitive than usual, since then i've been paranoid and I think they are a little bit more sensitive, There is no growth or lump below the nipple. Man I really hope I'm just paranoid and thats the extent of it