Thinking of doing a cycle, need opinions.

**bolvangar** · 04-27-2006, 07:06 PM

I've been lurking here for the last 6 months or so, finally decided to register. Great site, I've learned more than I could ever imagine and am now laughing at the guys I know doing cycles with no pct.

anyways,

stats - 5'7, 21, 150 or so. diet is in check, approx 4500 calories per day. currently doing protein shakes and creatine.

I'm thinking of doing a cycle of test only (if i can even get it) with the proper pct. I know normally everyone here would say I could grow a lot more naturally, however.....

started working out at 18, I was 115, yes thats right, 115 lbs. I'm naturally very skinny, as well as everyone else in my family. mother, grandfather, all under 115lbs, and unfortunatly i didn't seem to receive any genes from the other side of the family.

so my question is, do you guys think I can grow naturally more? I'm really starting to feel that I can't, been stuck at the same weight for about 3 months, and I really can't make myself eat anymore than I allready am. I haven't grown any in the last 3 years so i'm fairly sure i'm done growing.

what do you guys think?

thanks.

**Kale** · 04-27-2006, 07:10 PM

Tell you what bro, I hear what you are saying about the food and its tough to shove down that much. How about you post up what you eat in a typical day, what and when, and then we can have a look. Also show us your workout routine. Changes to that can make a big difference as well. At 150 I would say you can still grow without juice, but I will reserve my judgment until we see the other stuff

**bolvangar** · 04-27-2006, 07:30 PM

This is the routine i'm currently doing, switched it up about a month ago, i didn't make it, found it on another forum, credit goes to ukstrongman.

MONDAY:
BENCH PRESS (3-4sets, 6-8 reps, failure on last set)
POWER CLEAN AND PRESS (3sets, 4-6 reps, failure on last set)
DIPS OR CLOSE GRIP BENCH PRESS (3-4sets 6-8 reps, failure on last set)

WEDNESDAY:
DEADLIFTS (4sets, 4-6 reps, every 4 weeks drop the reps to 2-3 and do 3 sets)
BB ROWS (4sets, 6-8 reps, semi-strict form)
BB CURL (3sets, 8-10 reps, STRICT!)

FRIDAY:
SQUATS (1 set of 20 with a weight you can do 10 with! Take as long as you want, but complete the set! Alternate weekly 4-6reps, 4 sets for variety, keep your muscles guessing!)
SLDLs (3 sets of 10reps)
BARBELL CALF RAISES (3 sets of 15-20 (failure should occur in this rep range)) - in the squat rack
WEIGHTED CRUNCHES (3 sets to failure with a weight plate across your chest)

I'll get started on typing out my diet stuff, will probably take a bit though.

**Kale** · 04-27-2006, 07:59 PM

Well your workout sucks for a start. You are not doing anywhere near enough work to grow on that IMO.

Read this thread

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=146351

You should be working out four days a week IMO

Mon Chest/Biceps
Tues Back/Triceps
Wed Off
Thu Shoulders
Friday Legs.

You need to do at least four excercises per body part. You should walk out of the gym wanting to vomit. If you are there for more than 45 mins to an hour you war wasting your time and not working out hard enough

**kesh227** · 04-27-2006, 08:07 PM

"stats - 5'7, 21, 150 or so. diet is in check, approx 4500 calories per day. currently doing protein shakes and creatine."

4500 calories a day is way to much for someone weighing 150. stick to around 3000 at most, and you'll stay lean.

**Nelstar** · 04-27-2006, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Kale

You need to do at least four excercises per body part. You should walk out of the gym wanting to vomit. If you are there for more than 45 mins to an hour you war wasting your time and not working out hard enough

i usually pass out after 40 mins

**HORSE~** · 04-27-2006, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by kesh227

"stats - 5'7, 21, 150 or so. diet is in check, approx 4500 calories per day. currently doing protein shakes and creatine."

4500 calories a day is way to much for someone weighing 150. stick to around 3000 at most, and you'll stay lean.

He dose not want to stay lean he want's to bulk up and gain some wait In my oppinon if he gains A little fat no biggie with his matabalisom he should be able to lose fat any time just keep eating. A good clean deit.

**cfiler** · 04-27-2006, 08:19 PM

There is ALOT of tweeking that needs to be done to your workout, post that in the work-out section, and I'm sure someone would be able to help you come up with a more effective routine.

**Natureboy71** · 04-27-2006, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Kale

Well your workout sucks for a start. You are not doing anywhere near enough work to grow on that IMO.

Read this thread

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=146351

You should be working out four days a week IMO

Mon Chest/Biceps
Tues Back/Triceps
Wed Off
Thu Shoulders
Friday Legs.

You need to do at least four excercises per body part. You should walk out of the gym wanting to vomit. If you are there for more than 45 mins to an hour you war wasting your time and not working out hard enough

That is exactly what I do, but I like Legs on thursday to give my arms and shoulders more rest.

I really wonder if he is eating 4500 cals a day? That is pretty tough, especially at that weight.

Many have thought they are eating 4000, but when looked at closely, it's more like 2500.