It's PCT Time!

**EdMan2** · 05-02-2006, 09:29 PM

I took my last shot of test-e last Thursday. I'm running winny until pct which will start next Thursday. It's going to consist of

Clomid:
300mg day 1
100mg day 2-14
50mg day 15-28

Nolva:
40mg day 1-14
20mg day 15-28

L-Dex:
.3mg day 1-28

Clen throughout.

My question is should I start clen now so that when pct fully starts I will be taking my peak dosage, or should I just start the clen next thursday alongside clomid/nolva?

**pmorris** · 05-02-2006, 09:49 PM

just run nolva or clo no need for both.. no need to run adex during pct either...

**Kale** · 05-02-2006, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by pmorris

just run nolva or clo no need for both.. no need to run adex during pct either...

Would you like to explain why ?

**suckysucky** · 05-02-2006, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by pmorris

just run nolva or clo no need for both.. no need to run adex during pct either...

What the hell are u talking about. Don't give adive like that. How do you know he doesnt need it.

**pmorris** · 05-02-2006, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by suckysucky

What the hell are u talking about. Don't give adive like that. How do you know he doesnt need it.

its because you do not want to eliminate estrogen during pct. when during pct, your body recognizes the elevated estrogen and then produces more testosterone to balance the high levels of estrogen. so you want the estrogen to help stimulate test production. adex is hpta supressive...
Edit: about the novla or clo, you dont really need to run both for pct using 1 or the other is fine.

**EdMan2** · 05-03-2006, 03:05 AM

Is anyone going to answer the original question?

***Narkissos*** · 05-03-2006, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by pmorris

its because you do not want to eliminate estrogen during pct. when during pct, your body recognizes the elevated estrogen and then produces more testosterone to balance the high levels of estrogen. so you want the estrogen to help stimulate test production. adex is hpta supressive...

Nolva and Clomid are not needed together in pct (one or the other will work well.. with 20 mg of Nolva being equal to 150 mg of clomid).. but your reasoning is BullShit.

Estrogen is HPTA suppressive.. in addition the presence of estrogen increases the amount of SHBG.

I dunno how you even fit estrogen in the equation.. as Nolva and Clomid are anti-estrogens (SERMs).

The fact of the matter is clomid and Nolva though similar in structure have different properties... Though both are both 'selective' Nolva is more of an estrogen-antagonist.. Clomid may exert a stronger estrogen-mimicking action in some tissues.. and an antigonistic action in other tissues.

mg for mg Nolva is stronger for our purposes.

And the sides are lesser... the estrogen-mimicking action of clomid is more apparent as i mentioned earlier.. so the mood swings etc. are more prevalent on clomid that Nolva.

But yea.. your reasoning is BS.

Originally Posted by ascendant

Edit: about the novla or clo, you dont really need to run both for pct using 1 or the other is fine.

Ditto.

an adex is not hpta suppressive... quite opposite actually.

It's just not suitable for PCT... as Nolva reduces serum levels of Adex/Letro by almost 1/2 (47%)... A better choice would be aromasin .

Narkissos

***Narkissos*** · 05-03-2006, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by EdMan2

Clomid:
300mg day 1
100mg day 2-14
50mg day 15-28

Nolva:
40mg day 1-14
20mg day 15-28

No need for this...

Originally Posted by EdMan2

L-Dex:
.3mg day 1-28

Drop that.. (for the reasons i mentioned above)... get proviron (50 mg) or aromasin (20 mg).

Originally Posted by EdMan2

Clen throughout.

My question is should I start clen now so that when pct fully starts I will be taking my peak dosage, or should I just start the clen next thursday alongside clomid/nolva?

Start the clen on day 1 of PCT...

Narkissos

**GoldieTheMack** · 05-03-2006, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Narkissos

No need for this...

Drop that.. (for the reasons i mentioned above)... get proviron (50 mg) or aromasin (20 mg).

Start the clen on day 1 of PCT...

Narkissos

On point as usual.
Gold

**EdMan2** · 05-03-2006, 09:13 AM

Thanks Nark. So you're saying to do either Clomid or Nolva but not both? Is this a new thing? Everyone used to recommend the classic clomid/nolva pct a year or so ago (when I planned out this cycle).

**STB** · 05-03-2006, 11:57 AM

I have always understood that proviron should not be used during PCT becuase it is supressive.

Narkissos, can you elaborate on your reccomendation of Proviron during PCT?

Bluesman