Tbol and Avar

**Milestone** · 05-09-2006, 07:49 AM

I need some imput here with these 2 Orals Ive done my searches etc and still cannot get some clear answers so time to post here to get the feedback

I want to run these 2 Orals either together or Tbol first and then intro the Avar later in the mix , I would like to know if someone has any imput with this Im after lean mass gains 5lbs wise and want to keep as trim as possible ??

question

1)If we ran these 2 together then what would be recomended duration , I would like to go 10 weeks at 50/50mg ??
2) if I cycle the orals say Tbol first 1-10 weeks and Anvar 4-12 weeks is this a option at 60 Tbol/40mg Anvar for 1-4 weeks then 50/50 mg from 4 -10 and then Anvar 60mg 10-12
3) with these points above taken into consideration are the mg fine or should we go up or down.

Im 42 5,11 , 180 lbs and and have 2 cycles under my belt , Dbol and Deca = Deca Dick for me and Test Prop Avar ,, hair issue sorted it out and bad PCT resulted in 3lbs gain which Im keeping , Ok why not test well I have the above products on hand and want to get started asap .

look forward to any feedback

Ciao Bro.

**spywizard** · 05-09-2006, 07:59 AM

wow.. i'm 45... and have run both of these..

1st of coarse, don't run two orals at the same time

2nd.. what is your cholesterol like right now?? mine went to 375 after a oral cycle, but it is usually high 250-300, and yes i take a statin to control it..

3rd.. I'd rather run dbol/var at the same time.. crazy strength gains, and kept some of the water off me, nolva did the rest, ran it dbol 4 weeks/80mg var for 8 weeks, 4 weeks past the dbol..

4th.. if you have to run the products listed, i'd start with the var then end with the tbol...

**goose** · 05-09-2006, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by spywizard

wow.. i'm 45... and have run both of these..

1st of coarse, don't run two orals at the same time

2nd.. what is your cholesterol like right now?? mine went to 375 after a oral cycle, but it is usually high 250-300, and yes i take a statin to control it..

3rd.. I'd rather run dbol/var at the same time.. crazy strength gains, and kept some of the water off me, nolva did the rest, ran it dbol 4 weeks/80mg var for 8 weeks, 4 weeks past the dbol..

4th.. if you have to run the products listed, i'd start with the var then end with the tbol...

It`s like the fight club here so many rules,I know many guys who run drol at 200mg for 8 weeks,we have a few members here and they are Ok with blood results confirming this,it`s all to do with the total 17aa that you are consuming.So your telling me I can`t take Tbol and Var together? As that great wu tang member said old dirty bastard `Nigga Please`

**magic32** · 05-09-2006, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

It`s like the fight club here so many rules,I know many guys who run drol at 200mg for 8 weeks,we have a few members here and they are Ok with blood results confirming this,it`s all to do with the total 17aa that you are consuming.So your telling me I can`t take Tbol and Var together? As that great wu tang member said old dirty bastard `Nigga Please`

I can confirm that with guys who get regular blood work and run orals at 250mgs a week. These are usually shorter 8-10wk periods though, but values were good. So I'd add to that total amount, plus total duration.

M.

**MAXIMA5** · 05-09-2006, 08:26 AM

I'm using Tbol and Var both to finish my cycle. 50/50 until i run out of var, then it's 60-70 of tbol if I can tolerate it.

I take Niacin and Liver support just in case. I feel great. Will get blood work after pct.

**spywizard** · 05-09-2006, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

It`s like the fight club here so many rules,I know many guys who run drol at 200mg for 8 weeks,we have a few members here and they are Ok with blood results confirming this,it`s all to do with the total 17aa that you are consuming.So your telling me I can`t take Tbol and Var together? As that great wu tang member said old dirty bastard `Nigga Please`

actually, i am saying using dbol and var at the same time was kick ass... it did mess with my lipods, but man i loved the results..

i have not run tbol and var at the same time, but i have run them back to back with good results..

**marcus300** · 05-09-2006, 10:21 AM

I wouldnt run tbol and var together like the rest have stated, but if i had to pick 2 orals to run which does go against the grain, it would be var and andriol, i know plenty of bb'S who have had excellent results running them 2 orals together.

**Milestone** · 05-09-2006, 12:48 PM

Thanks for the imput so far I get the point with running two Orals at the same time maybe not good plan , ok if I run seperate which one should I start can one put a cycle together for me , one other point is I have got Primo on hand alkso ?? dont know if this could fit in here //?

Sorry for bringing the primo into this it wasnt first planned.

ok I need a cycle plan here if I use them all Primo /Avar/tbol I have enough of each item

Primo 1-14 200mg ( dont want to go higher but like the period)
Tbol 1-8 60mg ( please advise mg 40-70 ?? seems effective by search)
Anavar 8-14 60 70mg ( please also advise mg 40-70 ?? seems effective by search)

thats my imput and would appreciate your imput here to fix up everything , appreciate it all

Ciao Bros

**LB 35** · 05-09-2006, 12:53 PM

i dont think youll get anything off of 200mg primo per week

**Milestone** · 05-09-2006, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by spywizard

wow.. i'm 45... and have run both of these..

1st of coarse, don't run two orals at the same time

2nd.. what is your cholesterol like right now?? mine went to 375 after a oral cycle, but it is usually high 250-300, and yes i take a statin to control it..

3rd.. I'd rather run dbol/var at the same time.. crazy strength gains, and kept some of the water off me, nolva did the rest, ran it dbol 4 weeks/80mg var for 8 weeks, 4 weeks past the dbol..

4th.. if you have to run the products listed, i'd start with the var then end with the tbol...

thanks for this spywizard , just to answer your questions

2 My Cholesterol is as the Doc say perfect !!! its one thing Ive never had a problem with at all

3) I have some Dbol only about 80 tabs left from my first cycle just dont want to finish the hair Ive still got with them , funnily I didnt even notice if I was shedding on Dbol but test give me a real kick !!! thats a question is possible to shed on test and not Dbol !!

your Dbol was very high I only ran it at 20mg with Deca

thanks for imput.

**Milestone** · 05-09-2006, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by LB 35

i dont think youll get anything off of 200mg primo per week

yes you may be right but just want to keep the cycle running for as long as I can and one must have some benifits on even this amount over no AAS , one can get more if I got good feedback on it.

cheers

**Milestone** · 05-09-2006, 02:38 PM

Hate to bump my own thread but need some more imput before starting

**marcus300** · 05-09-2006, 02:43 PM

running primo at 200mg per week is a waste, you wont see anything, and i dont like the rest of the cycle running tbol then var,

what are your goals for the cycle?

**cutting_king** · 05-09-2006, 03:03 PM

I've run primo before at 400mgs per week and found the results at this dose to be mild at best. and i'm not a big guy. only 185 and 5'11. i would say unless you can afford to run primo @ at least 600mgs weekly or more then don't bother. It's too costly to run for that long with no results. t-bol rules though and i think that if you decided to cut one of the orals from your cycle i would pick var, t-bol is better priced for the gains you get from it. anyway thats just my opinion

**Milestone** · 05-10-2006, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

running primo at 200mg per week is a waste, you wont see anything, and i dont like the rest of the cycle running tbol then var,

what are your goals for the cycle?

Thanks for the imput and having research more I do see that most Bros go from 300mg up Primo , I may just drop the Primo and stick to the Orals , what my goals are to add a little mass , harden up and show some cuts thats about it , and would like to run a cycle for as long as possible , I can go with one Oral if 2 is not advisable which one and how long for my goals would be my final question , appreciate the imput

cheers

**marcus300** · 05-10-2006, 01:24 AM

Yes i would drop the primo unless your going to run alot higher than you stated, like ive said before i wouldn't run 2 orals so if i was going to just pick one of the 2 orals you mention it would be Var, but this is because i hate tbol, never like it and i don't like the stomach problems what go hand in hand with it,

why don't you do prop and var, this would be a nice little cycle for the stage your at and make you achieve the goals your after.

**Milestone** · 05-10-2006, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Yes i would drop the primo unless your going to run alot higher than you stated, like ive said before i wouldn't run 2 orals so if i was going to just pick one of the 2 orals you mention it would be Var, but this is because i hate tbol, never like it and i don't like the stomach problems what go hand in hand with it,

why don't you do prop and var, this would be a nice little cycle for the stage your at and make you achieve the goals your after.

Thanks Marcus , yes I can do Prop but had so much trouble with hair shedding that Im very reluctant even when using Propecia I had big problems thats part and parcel why Im sticking to the above AAS ,

what ya think , if I dont get much trouble tfrom Tbol would this be a better option ?? do people have much suvccess with just this , I could also go high Mg Anavar ,,

cheers Mate

**marcus300** · 05-10-2006, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by Milestone

Thanks Marcus , yes I can do Prop but had so much trouble with hair shedding that Im very reluctant even when using Propecia I had big problems thats part and parcel why Im sticking to the above AAS ,

what ya think , if I dont get much trouble tfrom Tbol would this be a better option ?? do people have much suvccess with just this , I could also go high Mg Anavar ,,

cheers Mate

Ive tried tbol many times and don't like, many love the stuff but personally i wouldn't use it, but by all means try it and see how you respond, but id go with prop and var and just shave the head, if your prone to hair-loss theres nothing you can do, end result is a bald head

**Milestone** · 05-10-2006, 02:39 AM

Cheers mate , best advise Id say

**Duke of Earl** · 05-10-2006, 02:58 AM

Am running prop tbol & var at the mo 50mg tbol, 40mg var & 125mg Prop ED am only in week 2 but seems to be working nicely.

I dont see a prob with running 2 orals as long as you get regular bloodwork, drink loads of water - as spy says it doesnt matter how many different orals you take, just the total mgs of 17aa taken - for example I'd say that 50mg of tbol + 50mg of var is still milder on the liver than 100mg of drol - just be careful of your lipids - thats the real worry with orals, especially var.

**goose** · 05-10-2006, 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by Duke of Earl

Am running prop tbol & var at the mo 50mg tbol, 40mg var & 125mg Prop ED am only in week 2 but seems to be working nicely.

I dont see a prob with running 2 orals as long as you get regular bloodwork, drink loads of water - as spy says it doesnt matter how many different orals you take, just the total mgs of 17aa taken - for example I'd say that 50mg of tbol + 50mg of var is still milder on the liver than 100mg of drol - just be careful of your lipids - thats the real worry with orals, especially var.

Yes Tbol and Var at 100mg is much milder than drol at 100mg for your liver and that is the standard dose for drol,they are the two least toxic orals around.You get great synergy between Var and Tbol,one is anabolic and the other is androgenic,great to hear the people who have tried this all enjoying this combo.

**Milestone** · 05-10-2006, 05:01 AM

Great to hear this imput , its what I originally wanted to do 2 x orals , and got side tracked I may put low dose test 50MG eod Prop?

**goose** · 05-10-2006, 05:17 AM

I run these two at 60mg each for 6 weeks,this is the great thing I have noticed with Tbol if you dose 60mg or under I get no sides just great results.With var you are only using it for it`s strength gains,the truth is you don`t notice much of a Difference with 100mg and 60mg,plus the sides start to develop over 100mg with Var each day,so the most Devasting combo I have found is Var at 60mg and Tbol at 60mg.Tbol increases Appetite and Var decreases it,so they kind of cancel the sides.

**Liftnainez** · 05-10-2006, 07:50 AM

dame goose your jacked brotha!!!!!!

**Hardbodykc** · 05-10-2006, 12:34 PM

So on a tbol only cycle, do gains not really increase over 60mgs ED?

**MAXIMA5** · 05-10-2006, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Hardbodykc

So on a tbol only cycle, do gains not really increase over 60mgs ED?

They may, but the sides would probably intensify.

**Hardbodykc** · 05-10-2006, 01:02 PM

screw that then, I don't want to even think about the gas at higher doses

chinups · 05-10-2006, 01:07 PM

I am currently running anavar 50 mg bol 50 mg for about well 8 weeks.

I am in like week and I am starting to feel real tight. I was getting real strong before I went on so I am looking forward to big strength gains

**stitch1967** · 05-10-2006, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by chinups

I am in like week and ....

What week bro? by lookin' at your avi, you're blowed-up, chief...so i'm listening hard to what you say...

chinups · 05-10-2006, 01:34 PM

That avatar is outdated. not as ripped but a bit more weight. What I mean is its not from this cycle. I am in week 2 of alight cycle. Ripped/Cutting is the key here. See me in 8 wks for results

**Milestone** · 05-11-2006, 06:48 AM

Great help here fellas and I will stick to my 2 x Orals and a bit of test added low dose of Prop in the mix so what I will go with is something like this please give us some feedback

1-10 Prop 50mg EOD ( havent got enought to do more and prefer not)
1-10 tBol 60 mg ED
4-10 Anvar 60mg ED

PCT etc etc , how does this look ??????????????

**MAXIMA5** · 05-11-2006, 01:09 PM

I like it. Just run plenty of Niacin and liver sups and you should be golden, but bloodwork would def be in order.
I would do 25 ED with the prop, as opposed to 50 EOD. 175mg a week is a rediculously low dose.
You should seriously consider getting more, but I like the oral part.

**Testostack** · 05-11-2006, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by MAXIMA5

I'm using Tbol and Var both to finish my cycle. 50/50 until i run out of var, then it's 60-70 of tbol if I can tolerate it.

I take Niacin and Liver support just in case. I feel great. Will get blood work after pct.

How's the tbol going, not stomach pain anymore? headaches?
keep us posted bro!

**Milestone** · 05-12-2006, 02:21 AM

thanks for the imput fellas it sounds good so will go with it and keep you posted ,

**Milestone** · 05-12-2006, 02:35 AM

Niacin and liver Tabs ,, how B3 tablets and liv 52 sound to keep my liver in shape.

**Milestone** · 05-12-2006, 02:37 AM

Sorry another question

PCT with prop 10 weeks

PCT without prop and stick to Orals

**Milestone** · 05-12-2006, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by Milestone

Sorry another question

PCT with prop 10 weeks

PCT without prop and stick to Orals

sorry the question is advice on how PCT should look like on either of theses cycles ,

Prop/Tbol/Anavar ???

or

Tbol and Anavar ??

**Milestone** · 05-12-2006, 03:07 AM

Sorry another question about PCT when running above cycle with or without Prop added to cycle with the Orals

how will will PCT with prop and Orals for 10 weeks

or PCT advice with only to Orals run 8 weeks

**MAXIMA5** · 05-12-2006, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by Testostack

How's the tbol going, not stomach pain anymore? headaches?
keep us posted bro!

Keep in mind, I'm still runnin var with the tbol, but my strength is even better and I'm noticing even bigger pumps and muscle development.

No headaches. Maybe one a week. My farts are still pretty wicked.

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