TEST intake for a 300lb man?

**Rip it** · 05-11-2006, 10:44 AM

hey guys i had a question for all of you. My friend wants to use gear and i told him for his first cycle he should use test but i did know how much. Hes 6'2'' and 300lb and as far as his working out stats i'm not really sure but i do know that he has been working out for about 4 years. So my question is what advise should i give him and how much test should he take? any comments or answers would be great. thanks

**stocky121** · 05-11-2006, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Rip it

hey guys i had a question for all of you. My friend wants to use gear and i told him for his first cycle he should use test but i did know how much. Hes 6'2'' and 300lb and as far as his working out stats i'm not really sure but i do know that he has been working out for about 4 years. So my question is what advise should i give him and how much test should he take? any comments or answers would be great. thanks

how much of that 300 lb is fat ?

**SMAN12b** · 05-11-2006, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by stocky121

how much of that 300 lb is fat ?

EXACTLY !!!!

Why does he want to use "gear"?
Does he know that Gear alone isn't going to drop his fat if that is his goal?
What does his 4 years of training look like?
What does his calorie intake look like?
Does he do any cardio at all?

Honestly I dont' think he needs "gear" I think he woudl first have to get inot a resonable BF% range of UNDER 20% max before using gear.

AAS is hard on the heart, if his heart is already being taxxed due to high body fat, then IMHO AAS would do more harm then good here!

Hoep this helps

**Pooks** · 05-11-2006, 11:08 AM

NICE he is going to increase his appetite.. so that after his cycle ends, and he keeps eating like an elephant, with no natural TEST. he'll become fatter than ever.

**Swifto** · 05-11-2006, 11:09 AM

Traning experience? BF%?

**Liftnainez** · 05-11-2006, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by stocky121

how much of that 300 lb is fat ?

I second that question.

**needbigguns** · 05-11-2006, 11:13 AM

He should say hi to Clen , T3 and ECA before he even thinks about Mr T

**Swifto** · 05-11-2006, 11:14 AM

If he's not that fat and has a very good base due to training and genetics. I can see him gaining of 500mg/wk of a form of testosterone , be it Enan, Cyp or Prop.

**EcToMoRpHiAn** · 05-11-2006, 11:14 AM

I think the answer to your question is dont let him use AAS. You would be hurting him more by giving him your "advise".

**Swifto** · 05-11-2006, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by EcToMoRpHiAn

I think the answer to your question is dont let him use AAS. You would be hurting him more by giving him your "advise".

How can one state this not even knowing his BF %? He could be at 12-13% with a good base and very good genetics. Or a monster, which is what you think he is, even though his "friend", hasnt confirmed this.

**Liftnainez** · 05-11-2006, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by EcToMoRpHiAn

I think the answer to your question is dont let him use AAS. You would be hurting him more by giving him your "advise".

Why stop with his advice.. his ADVICE is actually good.. If hes friend is going to use AAS, it might as well best test for the first cycle.. we still dont know if hes alot of fat or just real jacked.. I think your advice sucks

**Liftnainez** · 05-11-2006, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

How can one state this not even knowing his BF %? He could be at 12-13% with a good base and very good genetics. Or a monster, which is what you think he is, even though his "friend", hasnt confirmed this.

HAHA i just posted this seconds after you did.. thinking the same thing swifto.. right on brotha

**Swifto** · 05-11-2006, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

Why stop with his advice.. his ADVICE is actually good.. If hes friend is going to use AAS, it might as well best test for the first cycle.. we still dont know if hes alot of fat or just real jacked.. I think your advice sucks

You got there first....

**Liftnainez** · 05-11-2006, 11:19 AM

credit goes to u

**Swifto** · 05-11-2006, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

credit goes to u

You can have a little bit though.....

**Liftnainez** · 05-11-2006, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

You can have a little bit though.....

hell yea lol

**Rip it** · 05-11-2006, 03:23 PM

well the answer to your question about his body fat is well i'm not really sue but alot he is fat and i told him that he needs to lose ****ing waiting but he said hes trys and just can't i also told him that he is only going to add more weight. lol so you guys think i should buy him some clen and tell him its test because he knows nothing gear nothing at all i could give him sugar pills and he wouldn't know. so what should i do?

**Liftnainez** · 05-11-2006, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Rip it

well the answer to your question about his body fat is well i'm not really sue but alot he is fat and i told him that he needs to lose ****ing waiting but he said hes trys and just can't i also told him that he is only going to add more weight. lol so you guys think i should buy him some clen and tell him its test because he knows nothing gear nothing at all i could give him sugar pills and he wouldn't know. so what should i do?

Is he that big of a moron?
And no dont do that.. what gives u the right to do this.. just advise him on what to do and thats it.. he either takes it or not.. this is not pre school..

**mcgas7** · 05-11-2006, 03:31 PM

don't be dis-honest to your mates.. thats rule #1 bro..

let him on your pc to have a look throught diet section etc..

just my 2

**Ufa** · 05-11-2006, 03:35 PM

He's got to have enough dicipline to eat right and exercise. He should loose
at least 50 to 60 lbs before even thinking about steroids . Is he a beer drinker?

**Rip it** · 05-11-2006, 03:39 PM

who isn't? yea he drinks alot and eats alot to but i know he does exercise. But he does need to get his diet and exercise is better shape i know.

**Ufa** · 05-11-2006, 03:56 PM

You can't drink on testosterone . You will wreck your liver. I hope you can get him to do a little reading.

**T3/T4 GSR** · 05-11-2006, 06:42 PM

Drinking on test will not cause anymore liver damage than normal. Not that drinking on AAS is good for you but it is false to say the test will cause more liver damage.

**marcus300** · 05-12-2006, 02:22 AM

Did i miss something, cycle history?

**mcgas7** · 05-12-2006, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Ufa

You can't drink on testosterone. You will wreck your liver. I hope you can get him to do a little reading.

test aint toxic to the liver is it???

**scriptfactory** · 05-12-2006, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by mcgas7

test aint toxic to the liver is it???

no...

**Ufa** · 05-12-2006, 01:13 PM

Sound like you never listen to logic.

**scriptfactory** · 05-12-2006, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Ufa

Everything that goes into you is processed by your liver, stomach,or kidneys.
Mostly liver.

Testosterone does not affect your liver. It affects your kidneys. You could theoretically drink while on-cycle and not have it affect you anymore than when you are off-cycle, unless you are taking 17AA steroids (like most orals.) 17AA steroids are methylated to survive the first pass through your liver, which causes stress on your liver.

Edit: I should add that testosterone does pass through your liver on the way out of your body. It even happens to natural hormones.

**Ufa** · 05-12-2006, 02:32 PM

Are you saying that test and alcohol does not stress the liver? How much do you drink?

**scriptfactory** · 05-12-2006, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Ufa

Are you saying that test and alcohol does not stress the liver? How much do you drink?

No, I'm saying testosterone doesn't add much additional stress on top of the stress already created by drinking alcohol. If you are getting drunk every night then your liver is, of course, going to be stressed out like crazy and you'll do real damage to yourself.

I drink very rarely and IMO drinking on a cycle is retarded for a number of reasons but a couple beers with your friends on the weekend isn't going to kill your liver if you are taking testosterone.

Disclaimer: Don't drink on cycle.