Help with this cycle...how much Tren to take

[want2bripped]

Ok im 33, 260lbs, first cycle. Diet has been good.Im trying cut the body fat.On hand i have. Sus.250, Anavar,Winny D,Deca,Trenbolone Acetate. Im going in week 3.Been doing the Deca 400mg wk,winny.50 eod, var 60mgs ed and will now be adding the sus,tren and anavar. SO HOW MUCH TREN TO DO A WEEK? Thanks for any help. This is probably a crazy cycle...but F**ck it want to see results fast tired of working out hard and seeing min. gains.

[HORSE~]

Damn bro here come your well deserved flames.
I dont even know were to start Im gona sit back and watch.

[want2bripped]

Great ...cant wait to burn either way, We will see im a science project now.

[HORSE~]

Bro for your own good dont do some crazy @ss cycle like that do your self A favor and take the time to do some research and youll see why Iam saying this.

First cycle should be 500mg test e or c with proper pct on hand before you start.

[WEBB]

i dont even know wherre to start....first cycle and you are doing almost all of the major types of gear...some for cutting some for bulking...now i dont wanna get banned so i wont bother going to in depth on what a retard you are...not to mention the damage you are doing to you body...

your first cycle should be tets only and a dose close to 500mg...drop everything and just use the sust at 500mg...that will help get some muscle and not a whole lot of water...if you must keep something else go with var...at that dose you are running...and just hang on to the other...you'll have lots of time for them...

Also research your pct and get that in order asap...

Also i dont believe for a second that your diet is good...if it was then you wouldnt be working hard and getting minimum gains....so stop lying or get your shit together and do it right...

On second thought you are not ready for gear...get your diet and training in order first...and stop looking for the quick fix...

[want2bripped]

Thanks Webb.
Ok i wll follow your advise. So 500mg sus. 60mgs Anavar.....Should i use the deca still use the deca 400 mg per week?

[Ufa]

Holly Shit!

[T3/T4 GSR]

Honestly I would drop it. Save some compounds for future cycles.

[HORSE~]

Id Stick with the sust 500mg for 12 weeks.
Thats A good first cycle and youll get great gains if you get your deit in check and youll keep those gains with a proper pct.

[want2bripped]

im going to go with the sus.250.500mg wk the anavar 60 mg day and the deca 400 mg wk.I will hold the rest of the gear for the second cycle.
On hold will be the Winny d and the Trebolone.
Thanks for everyones advise.

[poloblue]

Bro for your own good dont do some crazy @ss cycle like that do your self A favor and take the time to do some research and youll see why Iam saying this.

First cycle should be 500mg test e or c with proper pct on hand before you start.

you must have gotten that bullshit @ss cycle from the same place i got my so called first cycle, six different compounds and it was listed as a beginner cycle now im stuck with it and had to order from another source with better knowledged of aas. yep more money spent.. dude drop that shit and do lots of reading.. took me almost two months of reading this forum day and night before i finally placed my first real cycle. its your body you aint getting a replacement when you jack this one off

[BajanBastard]

I don't know what to say. Well i should be the last one to talk seeing tren was a part of my first cycle but shit!

i dont even know wherre to start....first cycle and you are doing almost all of the major types of gear...some for cutting some for bulking...now i dont wanna get banned so i wont bother going to in depth on what a retard you are...not to mention the damage you are doing to you body...

your first cycle should be tets only and a dose close to 500mg...drop everything and just use the sust at 500mg...that will help get some muscle and not a whole lot of water...if you must keep something else go with var...at that dose you are running...and just hang on to the other...you'll have lots of time for them...

Also research your pct and get that in order asap...

Also i dont believe for a second that your diet is good...if it was then you wouldnt be working hard and getting minimum gains....so stop lying or get your shit together and do it right...

On second thought you are not ready for gear...get your diet and training in order first...and stop looking for the quick fix...
t of my 1st cycle but shit!

Co-signed

[Cdup]

im going to go with the sus.250.500mg wk the anavar 60 mg day and the deca 400 mg wk.I will hold the rest of the gear for the second cycle.
On hold will be the Winny d and the Trebolone.
Thanks for everyones advise.

I think that you should hold off on certain compounds such as Tren to a much later cycle than your second one. My opinion only, but you should grow into those compounds...Try something similar to the first cycle and add things based on what your goals and needs are..BTW I like to see that you seem to be listening to the advice of the seasoned veterans you will be thankful for it...good luck man, i hope you stay healthy and see healthy gains.

[C_Bino]

I will never ADVISE someone to take tren in a second cycle or var in the first etc etc. But I dont understand the golden rule of waiting to use tren until your fourth cycle or later. Why? Someone please explain it to me. As I said I dont recommend it, but as long as you arent going crazy, and say your first cycle was test only, why cant your second cycle be test plus tren? I really would like someone to tell me.

6 compounds in a first cycle is stupid imo, you are just trying to shove as many AAS in your body as you can because you arent dedicated enough to your goal to get better results naturally. That may not be what you wanna hear, it may be harsh but I believe its the truth. Sust only would be a good start for you. But since I know nothing about you I would think that diet and training should be perfected first since you know nothing about AAS or how to use them effectively.

[Cdup]

I would imagine that with moderation, you could easily and safely(well as safely as possible) add Tren to the second cycle. Almost anything is possible with moderation but IMO AAS require a good bit of knowledge about every little aspect as well as extreme discipline. With Tren I could see an inexperienced person going a bit overoard, and possibly enhancing health problems and possibly hurting themselves. This is my opinion and my answer to your question C Bino...I am certainly not as seasoned as you so please elaborate on any dissagreement.

Cdup

[C_Bino]

Well yes my question was almost retorical, but you touched on my point. If you are using moderation and being safe with doses etc there is no reason imo that tren or the "harsher" AAS be saved for later cycles. The sides can be worse with tren than other steroids but its not like if you wait till the 4th cycle the sides wont still be there. In fact in my experience deca is worse for sides than tren.

Anyways this wasnt the point of the thread, so there is really no need to go into it further.

[want2bripped]

Im going to do it here it is....... and please try to tell me that not one of you juice heads have never went to the extreme .....at any point! Extreme is an all or any situation deal.So weather first cycle or fourth.
I would love advise from some one who has been there weather the news is bad or good.
So please give me some advise with what my deceisions are to do.

Here goes.
DEcA 200mg 2x wk.
Anavar 60mgs ed
SuS250. 300 or 500mgs a wk.??
Done with proper pct.

Some Advise on what to expect good or bad.
Thanks, Keep it Real.I could take the the crap for my deceision but i want to know what to expect.

[WEBB]

well since your not going to listen and run all those together at least do this shit properly...sust need to be higher than deca...so you need it to be at 500 at least....and it need to be ran 2-3 weeks longer than the deca....

I dont know where you get off calling us juice heads...just becaus we have done out reaserch and know what is better for you that doesnt mean we are juice heads...it means we took the time to read and do our homework, because we dont wanna screw our bodies over...

And your idea of extreme is stupid...if you wanna go to extremes and ruin your body your retarded...you can go to extremes and still be safe...but that is not an option for you....


you can expect to have side efects, baldness, sleeplessness, acne, headaches, high blood pressure....and god knows what else...you have to many compounds to know what just one will do and what sides ar eform what....but you might gain some muscle and size...but i doubt your diet or training is good enough...so just look forward to some side effects...

WEBB

[want2bripped]

Yes my deceision to do all at once might not be the best but im being honest about what im going to do and trying to seek advise adverse as my plan is.
Thanks for at least answering the question i asked properly.Isnt that one reason this board is meant for? Besides learning through research and others exp.
As for the Juice head comment....nobody here should take it to heart.Really though, arent all of us here juice heads ?Unless your not doing it.
My diet and training are hard And only after 3 weeks on and 8 weeks (12 wks total) of disapline diet and working out hard im seeing gains or at least a body transformation.Ive been taking pics every two weeks and i will be sure to post at the end of the cycle.
Lastly, i believe that how well you look (hence the reason for using) and health (as you mentioned the side affects, i understand this) are more important than how strong you are but i will mention im no little boy. Bench 315 for reps, same with squats++ and deads++.....and i mean reps 8 plus. Im not saying you or some others here but i know there are some guys here that are like the many little wonders i see running around the gym on there roids still wondering how to get strong and stay big.
Anyway, i thank you for your strait forward advise it's what i was seeking.

[WEBB]

sorry for sounding like a dick...i am dieting for a comp in 6 weeks so i am hungry and mad....

as for your diet...if your seeing gains with it just stick eith it for a while till you plateua...then hit up the juice...but since we both know your not going to do that....please drop the deca.....please....just run sust and var...please

secondly...your right this board is the single greatest asset anyone thinking of using gear can have...but one of the keys to using this board is listening to respected member, vets, and mods when they tell you your cycle is bad...if you dont listen to advice from the members that have learnt from others mistakes and there own, then what is the point of asking questions if your only gonna listen to the part you wanna hear....

i hope you will listen to me, and the others here, and just run sust...and maybe the var if you wanna...


good luck, WEBB

[k bizzle]

tren on the first cycle is not the best idea....