Var &suppresion

**dragon69** · 05-16-2006, 12:32 AM

Just how suppresive is var (@60-80mg)?
Any noted libido loss at that dose if done alone?

**goose** · 05-16-2006, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by dragon69

Just how suppresive is var (@60-80mg)?
Any noted libido loss at that dose if done alone?

That dose would not shut you down,but you would lose libido.Now this can be solved easily by including proviron during the cycle.

**Swifto** · 05-16-2006, 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

That dose would not shut you down,but you would lose libido.Now this can be solved easily by including proviron during the cycle.

Agree with Goose.

Var will only inhibit the HPTA, not shut it down fully. Though massive doses or prolonged use may also cause this.

Proviron , as Goose stated, would solve any labido problems, 25-50mg/ED. Or Tribulas or Tongkat Ali may also help.

**dragon69** · 05-16-2006, 06:37 PM

hmmm thinking of doing something to cut more before my vacation in June, too bad it's suppressive enough to cause problems. I plan to go on a full inj cycle when I get back. Would start it before hand but wanted to be sure there wouldn't be any problems just in case.
Any other ideas about how to work this? hmmmm......Var/T3 combo might be decent to keep the sex drive alive.

**james21** · 05-16-2006, 07:49 PM

To go along with goose add ALOT of proviron 150mg or so .... to get some enrgy and libido ... it REALLY kills both pretty bad

**Swifto** · 05-17-2006, 04:38 AM

I'd go for Tbol 40-80mg/ED for 6-8 weeks. Keep sopme Proviron on hand if labido decreases. Run it at 50mg/ED.

PCT should also be done. Nolva 20mg/ED for 4 weeks, along with Tribulas and/or Tongkat Ali.

chinups · 05-17-2006, 05:32 AM

sorry to hijack thread but I wanted to ask something

I am doing tbol/anavar around 50 mg each for 8 wks and have access to clomid or nolva very easily. which is better for pct. nolva or clomid???

The pct I normally do is 21 days 300mg for the 1st day 100 for 2 days and then 50 mg for the remainder of the 3 wks.

Opinions?
Thanks

**Swifto** · 05-17-2006, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by chinups

sorry to hijack thread but I wanted to ask something

I am doing tbol/anavar around 50 mg each for 8 wks and have access to clomid or nolva very easily. which is better for pct. nolva or clomid???

The pct I normally do is 21 days 300mg for the 1st day 100 for 2 days and then 50 mg for the remainder of the 3 wks.

Opinions?
Thanks

i dont like Clomid, so avoid it. Hate the stuff. If you dont get any sides from it, use it IMO.

The PCT protocol you outlined is fairly aggressive with the 300mg dose on the first day. I'd go with:

wk 1-2 Clomid 100mg/ED
wk 2-4 Clomid 50mg/ED
wk 1-4 Nolva 20mg/ED

Along with Tribulas and/or Tongkat Ali.

**Kale** · 05-17-2006, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

i dont like Clomid, so avoid it. Hate the stuff. If you dont get any sides from it, use it IMO.

The PCT protocol you outlined is fairly aggressive with the 300mg dose on the first day. I'd go with:

wk 1-2 Clomid 100mg/ED
wk 2-4 Clomid 50mg/ED
wk 1-4 Nolva 20mg/ED

Along with Tribulas and/or Tongkat Ali.

I hate it as well. What do you do instead ?

**Swifto** · 05-17-2006, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by Kale

I hate it as well. What do you do instead ?

I'm blind in my right eye, so vision bluriness would really effect me greatly. I also seemed to get emotional problesm off of Clomid, very moody etc...Not to mention my back got bac acne and I've still got some of it, 4 months later.

I use:

wk 1-3 HCG 1000ius/ED (Mon/Wed/Fri)
wk 1-5 Nolva 20mg/ED
wk 1-6 Proviron 50mg/ED

I may extend the Proviron further at 25mg/ED and use it as a kind of bridge. Then get bloodwork done and see if my HPTA is inhibited in anyway at all.

**goose** · 05-17-2006, 06:00 AM

I just used aromasin ,proviron and nolva in PCT and can confirm it was triple AAA.I used teslac as an anti E so no need for HCG that I never liked along with clomid.

chinups · 05-17-2006, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

i dont like Clomid, so avoid it. Hate the stuff. If you dont get any sides from it, use it IMO.

The PCT protocol you outlined is fairly aggressive with the 300mg dose on the first day. I'd go with:

wk 1-2 Clomid 100mg/ED
wk 2-4 Clomid 50mg/ED
wk 1-4 Nolva 20mg/ED

Along with Tribulas and/or Tongkat Ali.

Isn't 4 weeks for 2 very light steriods that have minimal effect on your hpta levels a bit extreme???

**vitor** · 05-17-2006, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by chinups

Isn't 4 weeks for 2 very light steriods that have minimal effect on your hpta levels a bit extreme???

Its best to run PCT until you feel libido is back in full swing, or have blood-work, dont set a time-frame on it. (I rather over-do PCT than under-do it.)

Doing a good PCT, including a "serm", "AI", "Tribulis"/"Redkat""zma", can even increase your natrual Test above normal, that has happen to me...