first cycle

[antz]

hi..i'm a newbie. is that enough if i start with sustanon 250mg/week in 8 weeks? thanks 4 your answers..

[BADASS323]

no!! stop,read,learn. there is alot of usefull info on this site.use it first!!

[HORSE~]

Need your stats to be able to answear you properly.

[antz]

i'm 5'5 140lbs 23 years old

[hosam4ever]

what is ur training experience & ur goals from cycling

[SMAN12b]

Start here before you do anything!!! Answer the questions on this link so we can help you better. Sust for a first cycle is NOT a good idea!!

Sources for New members!!!!!

[joshr]

these guts know what there talking about listen and you will learn and 250mg os sus isnt enough a week

[antz]

ok..here's my stats:
i take 4000+ cal/days
23 years old, 5'5 tall 140lbs
BF 17%
I've been training for 2.5 years
this is my first cycle, and my goal is 2 gain mass maybe 20-30lbs?
sman, then what is best for my 1st cycle? but i already in my 2nd week of sust. i got nolvadex for pct. thank u guys for the advises

[SMAN12b]

ok..here's my stats:
i take 4000+ cal/days
23 years old, 5'5 tall 140lbs
BF 17%
I've been training for 2.5 years
this is my first cycle, and my goal is 2 gain mass maybe 20-30lbs?
sman, then what is best for my 1st cycle? but i already in my 2nd week of sust. i got nolvadex for pct. thank u guys for the advises

It's not so much that the Sust is gonna hurt you as it is easier to tell what sides you are getting from a single ester instead of a multi ester.
It is still Test, so you will be fine. The dose is low if you are really taking in 4000 calories, I would be comfortable with doing 500mgs/wk in at least 2 doses. If you can get more, you would benifit by going to at least 12 weeks as you probably won't notice anything for the first 6-8 weeks. If you can't get more, then just continue on the 250 as long as you can stretch it out. you will probably NOT see 20-30 lbs, but you will have one cycle under your belt and the experience of knowing how you body handled it. do the PCT, starting 18 days after last Sust shot.
take at least 3-4 months off cycle and use that time to research and plan a better more effective cycle for the next time

Good Luck, Hope this helps

[antz]

i think i'm going for the 250 but in 12 weeks.. thanks a lot bro!

[Swifto]

It's not so much that the Sust is gonna hurt you as it is easier to tell what sides you are getting from a single ester instead of a multi ester.
It is still Test, so you will be fine. The dose is low if you are really taking in 4000 calories, I would be comfortable with doing 500mgs/wk in at least 2 doses. If you can get more, you would benifit by going to at least 12 weeks as you probably won't notice anything for the first 6-8 weeks. If you can't get more, then just continue on the 250 as long as you can stretch it out. you will probably NOT see 20-30 lbs, but you will have one cycle under your belt and the experience of knowing how you body handled it. do the PCT, starting 18 days after last Sust shot.
take at least 3-4 months off cycle and use that time to research and plan a better more effective cycle for the next time

Good Luck, Hope this helps

Sust cointains the Deconate ester, which is active in ones body for 21 days. Exactly the same as Deca 's ester. Starting 18 days after your final shot will mean starting PCT, still with active androgens in your body.

[Swifto]

i think i'm going for the 250 but in 12 weeks.. thanks a lot bro!

I've seen many members on here and other boards who have had successful cycles using on 250mg/wk of a form of testosterone . Though, some havent responded well at all. I'd suggest you up your dose to between 350-500mg/wk. The gains will be better than 250mg/wk also. I did 500mg/wk for my first cycle and it went well. Diet was good, though, could have been better, and gained approx. 25lbs.

What ancillaries are you running, if any, for this cycle?

[tank2005]

So you are saying start pct 21 days after last sus shot?

[Swifto]

Looking at your stats. I think you can gains more naturally also. I'm aware your only 5'5, but why not set a goal, of say, 160-170lbs naturally, then think about using AS.

[Swifto]

So you are saying start pct 21 days after last sus shot?

Yes.

[Kale]

Sust cointains the Deconate ester, which is active in ones body for 21 days. Exactly the same as Deca's ester. Starting 18 days after your final shot will mean starting PCT, still with active androgens in your body.

Well you might like to argue the point with Pheedno then PCT start times

[tank2005]

ok swifto ,thanks.i ask thats question because lots if people say 18 days ,i cant see how 3 days would make a difference anyway.

[Xprime]

first cycle
hi..i'm a newbie. is that enough if i start with sustanon 250mg/week in 8 weeks? thanks 4 your answers..

Eat as crazy and reach 200lbs. easy huh? i m kidding

[Swifto]

Well you might like to argue the point with Pheedno then PCT start times

Very true.

"Anadrol /Anapolan: 24 hours after last administration
Deca: 21 days after last injectionDianabol : 24 hours after last administration
Equipoise : 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 14 days after last injection
Sustanon: 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate : 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate : 14 days after last injection
Testosterone Propionate : 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension : 24 hours after last administration
Winstrol : 24 hours after last administration"

We all know Sust contains the Deconate ester. So, why 18 days. Sust doesnt contain the Cypionate ester....Deconate's ester is heavier than Cypionate's, so thats a good indication why PCT should start slightly later then Cypionate's IMHO.

Pheedno knows his sh*t but it looks like he kind of contradicted himself slightly there.

There is no set time to start PCT. Me, Booz, Stocky all argue about Cyp's start time and Sust's. Its upto you when you start it IMO. But, thats the rule I'd follow when running Sust/Cyp.

I guess starting PCT sooner than later is a better idea though....

[Kale]

Very true.

"Anadrol /Anapolan: 24 hours after last administration
Deca: 21 days after last injectionDianabol : 24 hours after last administration
Equipoise : 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 14 days after last injection
Sustanon: 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate : 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate : 14 days after last injection
Testosterone Propionate : 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension : 24 hours after last administration
Winstrol : 24 hours after last administration"

We all know Sust contains the Deconate ester. So, why 18 days. Sust doesnt contain the Cypionate ester....Deconate's ester is heavier than Cypionate's, so thats a good indication why PCT should start slightly later then Cypionate's IMHO.

Pheedno knows his sh*t but it looks like he kind of contradicted himself slightly there.

There is no set time to start PCT. Me, Booz, Stocky all argue about Cyp's start time and Sust's. Its upto you when you start it IMO. But, thats the rule I'd follow when running Sust/Cyp.

I guess starting PCT sooner than later is a better idea though....

Yes I hear what you are saying. Pretty much all of this is is conjecture anyway. The only way to be sure would be to run tests to determine blood hormone content and I dont think anyone would be prepared to do that. Its all pretty much based on peoples experience. I think the difference between starting at 18 days and 21 days would be marginal at best and really probably doesnt make much difference.

[Swifto]

Yes I hear what you are saying. Pretty much all of this is is conjecture anyway. The only way to be sure would be to run tests to determine blood hormone content and I dont think anyone would be prepared to do that. Its all pretty much based on peoples experience. I think the difference between starting at 18 days and 21 days would be marginal at best and really probably doesnt make much difference.

I'm staring at 19.5 days then....

[Kale]

I'm staring at 19.5 days then....

Good idea that will make a HUGE difference

[Swifto]

Good idea that will make a HUGE difference

A MASSIVE difference. PCT will be an ease....!