Clomid

[trrz]

I read an article about Clomid where a specialist stated that the effect of clomid (restoring the testosteron level after a cycle) is only temporaly. He wrote that the product is only fooling the body and when you quit using it, the problem isn't solved.
Has anyone more info about this statement. Is it true? In that case the use of clomid is useless

[Mesomorphyl]

please post the article... sounds like they are talking hcg rather than clomiphene citrate. Post it up for us to read or give a link.

[WelshWarrior]

Yeah, I'd like to see that.

[Swifto]

Yeah, I'd like to see that.

Ditto.

[trrz]

The article is in Dutch. You can find it here.

http://www.lijfsportenmiddelen.nl/pu...vruchtbaarheid

When I have more time I will try to translate it

[trrz]

Finally the translation

Does he do it or not does he it? Over (on) fertility by anabolengebruik Through Bears Coumans and Rens of Kleij Respected NeCeDo, My friend uses regular anabolen. Because we in the future eager children want came with me the question on what the effects of anabolen are on the getting of children. I once in a while heard that men that anabolen use less fertile or even completely infertile can become. Knocks that? Further I want to know are gladly what the effects of anabolen on the unborn child. I hope to get fast answer of you. A.

Best A., Over this question we get almost weekly questions. It exist square many obscurities over the relation between the use of anabolen at one and fertility at the other side. Fertility has to make of everything with hormones and grab anabolen now once properly in on your hormone household. Your question is a good cause subject expanded round this once to put at the order. For all clarity, in this to pieces we go in on the influence of anabolen on the fertility of men. We have not it over the libido (sense in sex) or erection problems etc. to consequence of use. Fertility of the man The explaining how the stretch with the fertility of the man and the whole hormone household is possible an a little complicated story. We try to lay it so clearly possible. The family cells (sperms) of the man are produced in the seed ball (also well testicles named). Testosteron is make for that necessary. Testosteron is produced also in the seed ball in the so-called tussencellen of Leydig under influence of the hormone LH. LH is the abbreviation of luteïniserend hormone that made becomes in the hypofyse - an important pin gland - that on its turn prevent under influence stands by the hypothalamus (an important rule center in the brains). When the quantity testosteron in the blood rises is that for the brains prevent to decrease a sign the production. Such rule trial am called negative feedback and can you compare with the thermostaat of your heating. In short,
testosteron sees to make for the of sperm cells and becomes in the seed ball made. The production of testosteron is regulated precisely from the brains. Influence anabolen on seed production Anabolen can consider imitated (synthetically) you as testosteron. They have mean or more the same spieropbouwende (anabole) and vermannelijkende (androgene) position of the natural testosteron. When many anabolen uses become get the brains the signal that it more than sufficient be present and will the cells of Leydig (in the seed ball) much less or totally not stimulated become testosteron to make. Because of this also the seed production is braked. With other words, through anabolengebruik your own seed ball, your testosteronaanmaak become and thus your sperm cell production offside gezet. Because your seed balls for a large part consist of the raise of sperm cells will by robust anabolengebruik the volume of your seed ball shrink with such 15-35%. Lengthy use in combination with high quantities would be able to lead theoretically till permanent infertility. However this has never been demonstrated yet by a sporter. For the permanent of your own testosteronproductie, its well proofs suppress. Look at but read once the periodical Muscular Development of February 2003 and the story of Flex Wheeler. In that says he: "After 18 years or steroid use , I cannot produce testosterone on my own. So, by doctors prescription, I use 200 milligrams a soak or ate
testosterone to keep my level 733." Sperm of less quality? Because anabolen the seed ball set thus actual 'offside,', take off nearly immediately the seed production. This decreased quantity seed has not been thought becomes till what sleepiness by less quality. As for form and mobility are she equal. There however much less sperm cells person present are and this sees to for the decreased fertility. It may clear be that the chances round your woman or friend pregnant to make much smaller is. After a period of less sperm cells (oligo-spermie), the seed balls will produce (a-spermie) no sperm cells through the anabolengebruik finally totally more. How fast do effects act? The negative effects of anabolen on the hormone household step freely fast on. Already in the first week of use, the concentrations go down LH and FSH. As several means and higher quantities become uses will this trial more fast lapse. Complete infertility (that thus mostly again reversiblely is) can reaches be in 3 months. Anabolen and the mannenpil De discovery that anabolengebruik can lead till infertility has the investigation to an anticonceptiepil for men (the mannenpil) stimulated. The platleggen of the seed production through means of anabolica is applied still by the investigation to the mannenpil. However, BAIT in pilvorm its furrow this do not aim appeared effective and trustworthy enough. Therefore injections are applied. Test subjects get weekly an injection of
200 mg testosteron enanthaat intramusculair. However, also this method is currently yet insufficient grade trustworthy. In short, the reguliere testosteronesters and certainly the pills are not sufficient as a mannenpil to use. The investigation is continued. (Fast) recovery possible?

The question is how fast the hormone households and with that been connected the fertility again repaired is. Dependent on the dose and duration the single months can last repaired is before the seed production (and thus the fertility) complete. The recovery hangs off the kind of means, the quantities and the duration of the cure. Average lasts the recovery about 4 until 5 months, but it can also a year or yet longer last. Opstarters There is a pair means uses is accelerated that the testosteronspiegel to bring on course at the end or after a cure. This are the medicines clomifeen and humane chorion gonadotropine (shortened HCG ). Clomifeen has been registered in the Netherlands as a Clomid®, Clomifeen tablets or Serophene®. HCG is the active constituent of medicines as a Pregnyl and Profasi®. Clomifeen The mostly known is Clomid®. This is a medicine that originally intended is for women, that gladly pregnant wanted to become, but by who the eierstokken not good worked. Clomid® brings about then the eisprong. It becomes uses make through anabolengebruikers at the end of a cure round the own to stimulate of testosteron. What does Clomid do®? First of all works it as an 'estrogens-block', that want to say: the solidly self at receptoren at which also estrogens self can bind. That way prevents Clomid® that estrogens (with name the feminine hormone estradiol) feminine side effects as an increase of fat on the hips can give. Secondly Clomid can raise®
the testosteronproductie. Because it binds also at the estrogens-receptoren on the hypothalamus, stimulates these namely the hypofyse o. a. more luteïniserend hormone off to give. This LH stimulates on to make its turn the seed ball more testosteron on. The means is not however without side effects. As a hazy view come and duplicate sight for. Even the central nervous system is influenced by Clomid®. This can utter self in under other dizziness, insomnia, nastiness and depressions. Also the liver remains not untouched: clomifeen is on itself already a heavy load for this important organ, let alone when the straight after or in combination with a cure uses becomes. In the reguliere medicine, the means only maximum zesmaal may become applied. As up here already described stimulates clomifeen the afgifte of LH through the hypofyse. LH set on her turn the cells of Leydig (in the seed ball) at till the production of testosteron. If your own testosteron-make by nature layer is, can stimulate you thus on this manner the production. That will however do not say that the just so works when your own testosteronproductie lowered is or even lies still through the use of anabole steroïden. Clomid® holds actual the body for the joke: the body 'thinks' that it a large quantity estrogens in the body be present and reacts thereupon with an increased testosteron-production. This is uses becomes however alone the case meanwhile Clomid®. As soon as one stops with
the taking in of Clomid®, will with that for the body also the stimulus more testosteron at to make disappear. The final result is the same as the problem for which Clomid becomes uses® : a low endogene (own) testosteronproductie. You have to make thus with delay of execution'. The target for which your Clomid® wants use becomes thus pace reaches when you stop with Clomid® use. HCG (Humane Chorion Gonadotrofine) HCG is the active constituent of medicines as a Pregnyl and Profasi®. It is a matter that as for workings mechanism strengthen resembles the hormone LH. This LH is made by the man by nature in the hypofyse. It sees to work with women for the good to stimulate from the eierstokken through the production of progesteron and estrogens. With men, LH stimulates to produce the cells of Leydig in the seed ball testosteron. This declares at the same time about which, in some cases of infertility, through use of HCG the kinderwens really in fulfillment can go. As well men as women become there more fertile from. Now think some krachtsporters that inname of HCG the testosteronproductie, that after an anabolenkuur drastically decreased is, such that stimulates that the testosteronspiegel rush again on her old level comes. Most namely tolerated no round the body on a natural manner prevent to let in balance come. Important is toto know that HCG work at men with by nature low testosteronproductie. That must not always mean that that goes up also for sportsmen who produce less testosteron through the use of anabolen. Also then the use of HCG means only delay of executie. Because just after the use of HCG is struck, the body (the seed balls) gets the chance entirely independent testosteron of will produce. And this process will last nevertheless (dependent on the cure) some time, hence that you with HCG only postpone the process. The use of HCG can lead at men to holding vocht and skin result.
Impact on the ongeboren child
A much attentive question is if the anabolengebruik have influence on the ongeboren child. The conclusion for men who use is that the use of anabolen reduces the chance on pregnancy. Also after suspension of the cure it lasts still a time before the normal situation has been reached.
For women lies
situation completely differently. The anabolen have - in contrast to men - at women, however, influence on the ongeboren child. When the female foetus in that first 3 is exposed months of the pregnancy to testosteron or anabolen then the ongeboren child itself vermannelijken. This was also the reason that DDR-vrouwen those anabolica used to the pill had for thereby pregnancies to occur. If one nevertheless pregnant touched then these were interrupted because of the risk on impairments of the ongeboren child.
Summarised
The use of anabolen leads rapidly to reduction of its own testosteronproductie. Because of this seed production and fertility decrease. After stopping the cure the convalescence of testosteron and seed production will repair. However, this can some months last up to even a year and depends on the type, the doseringen and expensive of the use. The so-called opstarters, clomifeen and human chorion gonadotrofine are possible it
convalescence accelerates, but has also bijwerkingen and its actual delay of executie. At pregnant women there a large risk that exists the anabolen influence has on the ongeboren child.

[WelshWarrior]

Translation? It's still hard to understand.

[little_soldier]

translation !! loooooooooooooool
i think he just wants us to use HCG insted of clomid in the pct and a lot of doctors are suggesting that . . but maybe one of the mod can read this so called translated article and explain it to us loool