Need help choosing a........

***BajanBastard*** · 05-21-2006, 04:39 PM

DHT derivative for my cycle.
The cycle consists of 1g test e and 750mg tren e and i would like to cap it off by adding a DHT derived drug in the mix. My initial choices were either masteron (enanthate ester) @ 400mg wk or 1-test cyp @ 600mg wk but I’m open to other suggestions.

Thoughts?

BTW: Don't dare mention i use primo. *Vitor closes internet window*

Thanks

**1buffsob** · 05-21-2006, 04:45 PM

You already know what I'd suggest.

1buffsob

***Narkissos*** · 05-21-2006, 05:04 PM

1-test cyp Kilgor

I'm on the masteron now.. we need you to be the guinea-pig with the 1-cyp

C'mon.. take one for the team

**goose** · 05-21-2006, 05:07 PM

Well my last cycle I ran masteron enanthate for 8 weeks and was very pleased to say the least.....Good stuff.....

**goose** · 05-21-2006, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Narkissos

1-test cyp Kilgor

I'm on the masteron now.. we need you to be the guinea-pig with the 1-cyp

C'mon.. take one for the team

I hear the effects are the same as fina,I wonder what that would be like together

**1buffsob** · 05-21-2006, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Narkissos

1-test cyp Kilgor

I'm on the masteron now.. we need you to be the guinea-pig with the 1-cyp

C'mon.. take one for the team

Ok, after much consideration, I'll have to change my answer and agree with Nark. Now, go get in your guinea-pig wheel.

1buffsob

***BajanBastard*** · 05-21-2006, 05:27 PM

Here's the deal, I’m looking for as much muscle growth i can get out of this cycle while losing BF. I know 1-test is more anabolic than masteron but i wonder which one will be a more potent fat loss agent. I'll be using insulin on cycle so losing or at least maintaining the same amount of BF on cycle would be great.

***G-1000*** · 05-21-2006, 05:45 PM

winny works well wiath tren so does var.

***BajanBastard*** · 05-21-2006, 06:12 PM

Yeah winny would be a good addition to the cycle but i want drugs that bind strongly to the AR for this one. Var is to expensive compared to what it offers.

**Mighty Joe** · 05-21-2006, 06:24 PM

Big,

Why not Proviron ? Its a DHT derivitive, an anti-E and helps out with the free test and adds to fat loss.

I'm gonna run it with Prop/Tren . That should cover all three food groups: 19 nor, Test and DHT?

I'm not trying to hijack this thread, but Am I correct in this thinking?

Let me know, MJ

**guest589745** · 05-21-2006, 06:27 PM

Shit wouldnt the tren alone do this for ya? You know more than me so I aint even gonna try to advise you but, I'm sure you will figure out what will be best for yourself.

***BajanBastard*** · 05-21-2006, 06:29 PM

Yes you are correct, but miss one critical point......proviron is not anabolic

**Mighty Joe** · 05-21-2006, 06:33 PM

Var is out. Way to pricey!!!!!

***BajanBastard*** · 05-21-2006, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Shit wouldnt the tren alone do this for ya? You know more than me so I aint even gonna try to advise you but, I'm sure you will figure out what will be best for yourself.

The tren alone may work, maybe. However as i said i want a DHT derived drug in the cycle. You see, this may be my last cycle, i only need to add (roughly) 25-30 lbs of muscle to reach my goals. So i'll just do it all one time.

**Mighty Joe** · 05-21-2006, 06:39 PM

Big,

If thats you in your avatar, than I would say it won't much matter if you find a dht drug or not. Very impressive.

MJ

**guest589745** · 05-21-2006, 06:40 PM

Its troy alves. But I bet it will be him once his cycle is over.......

***G-1000*** · 05-21-2006, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Yeah winny would be a good addition to the cycle but i want drugs that bind strongly to the AR for this one. Var is to expensive compared to what it offers.

why dont you just run the meth tren ?

***BajanBastard*** · 05-21-2006, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by gsxxr

why dont you just run the meth tren?

All this time i thought me and you were cool, i didn't know you wished me dead.

**topvega** · 05-21-2006, 09:25 PM

running tren , prop, eq, and masteron now... lovin the masteron right now. I have never had more people come up to me at the gym and ask what I am on... I am cut the fuk up and still adding muscle with a limited calorie diet... Tren and Mast will be in alot of my future cycles....

***BajanBastard*** · 05-22-2006, 12:06 PM

Tren , test, EQ (bold cyp) and masteron ,

that sounds like the best cycle ever. But i'm being told adding EQ to the cycle won't make much of a difference.

How much of each compound are you running Top?

**Mesomorphyl** · 05-22-2006, 12:10 PM

Masteron or winny... I thought you were doing 2grams of tren with low dose test?

***BajanBastard*** · 05-22-2006, 12:33 PM

It was 1 gram tren with low dose test, but i've decided to give Nark his half of the tren. Hell with that, i'm using my tren to bad Nark won't see this part of the post Muhhahahahaha!

**vitor** · 05-22-2006, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Yeah winny would be a good addition to the cycle but i want drugs that bind strongly to the AR for this one. Var is to expensive compared to what it offers.

Tren binds exstremely well too the AR, and test binds at the AR as well. You will have all the action you need from that angle by using those 2.

Winstrol stacks exstremely well with Tren b/c its hits the non-AR meditaded, providing "synergi" when combined. I love that combo...

Another good addition to that stack would be Halotestin .(If you drop the winny)For the same reasen as winny. A buddy of mine is using Tren/Halo right now, with some incrediable results!! Halo is like a stronger winny+the insane strenght that comes with it.(I know Halo is not a DHT-derivative, but it doesnt really matter.)

Stacking Tren with Eq or Var is pointless imho, as they compete for the same recepter, where Tren dominates.

**Pinnacle** · 05-22-2006, 12:40 PM

MASTERON !!

This is your third cycle,and you're a VET?

I DEMAND A RECOUNT,IMMEDIATELY!!!

Seriously..masteron my friend.

~Pinnacle~

***BajanBastard*** · 05-22-2006, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by vitor

Tren binds exstremely well too the AR, and test binds at the AR as well. You will have all the action you need from that angle by using those 2.

Winstrol stacks exstremely well with Tren b/c its hits the non-AR meditaded, providing "synergi" when combined. I love that combo...

Another good addition to that stack would be Halotestin .(If you drop the winny)For the same reasen as winny. A buddy of mine is using Tren/Halo right now, with some incrediable results!! Halo is like a stronger winny+the insane strenght that comes with it.(I know Halo is not a DHT-derivative, but it doesnt really matter.)

Stacking Tren with Eq or Var is pointless imho, as they compete for the same recepter, where Tren dominates.

I found a very interesting study showing winny, when stacked with masteron , test, or deca somehow interferes with the AR binding of the other drugs in the stack despite its low RBA for the AR. 17-AA orals that bind poorly to the AR also lower somehow down regulate the AR. But on the other hand it my not be ever applicable to humans.

Pinnacle: Thanks for the input, i'm leaning towards masteron due to the fact that i can beat up Nark and take his.

**vitor** · 05-22-2006, 02:17 PM

[QUOTE=big k.l.g]I found a very interesting study showing winny, when stacked with masteron , test, or deca somehow interferes with the AR binding of the other drugs in the stack despite its low RBA for the AR. 17-AA orals that bind poorly to the AR also lower somehow down regulate the AR. But on the other hand it my not be ever applicable to humans.

Do you have that study?

I think that should be taken with a "pinch of salt". Ive done Tren /winny personally, and loved it, so has many others. I dont understand how any drug that have very low affinity to the AR, could down-regulate a recepter it barely has any action on. Especially when that recepter gets saturated from other drugs.

I like the idea of running tren with both masteron and winny, as both drugs have been proclaimed to bind to the progesterone-recepter, without having progesteronic activity. Which might mean it will block some of Trenbolones-metbolites there. (Read about this from some interviews with Drug-guru Bill Roberts.)

Test/tren/masteron/winny would be a pretty awsome stack IMO.

***BajanBastard*** · 05-22-2006, 02:41 PM

Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 2006 Apr 5; [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links

Stacking anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) during puberty in rats: A neuroendocrine and behavioral assessment.

Wesson DW, McGinnis MY.

The University of Texas at San Antonio, Department of Biology, 6900 North Loop 1604 West, San Antonio, TX 78249, United States.

Anabolic androgenic steroid (AAS) abuse is increasing in teenagers. We examined the effects of stacked AAS in adolescent male rats. Stacking, in which multiple AAS are taken simultaneously, is commonly employed by humans. Beginning at puberty gonadally intact male rats received testosterone , nandrolone , or stanozolol . Additional groups received stacked AAS: testosterone + stanozolol, nandrolone + stanozolol, or nandrolone + testosterone. Injections continued during tests for sexual behavior, vocalizations, scent marking, partner preference, aggression and fertility. Body and reproductive tissue weights were taken. Sexual and aggressive behaviors were increased by testosterone yet inhibited by stanozolol; nandrolone had no effect. Stacking testosterone with stanozolol prevented the inhibitory effects of stanozolol. Body weight was decreased by testosterone and all stacked AAS. Cell nuclear androgen receptor binding in brain was significantly increased in nandrolone males and decreased in stanozolol males; testosterone males were slightly higher than controls. Androgen receptors in stacked groups were intermediate between individual AAS suggesting that stanozolol competed with other AAS for androgen receptors despite its low affinity. The results indicate that stacking AAS influences the effects of individual AAS on behavioral and endocrine measures, and levels of androgen receptor occupation are not directly correlated with AAS effects on behavior.

PMID: 16603236 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

Blue highlite: Maybe winny can be used to offset 'tren rage'

Red highlite: Weird

**taiboxa** · 05-22-2006, 02:54 PM

i say just tripple ur tren dose and ur gold

**topvega** · 05-22-2006, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Tren , test, EQ (bold cyp) and masteron ,

that sounds like the best cycle ever. But i'm being told adding EQ to the cycle won't make much of a difference.

How much of each compound are you running Top?

Running 100mg prop, 80mg tren-a, 70mg masteron ed... and then 200mg of Eq every Mon/Wed/Fri..... Will be adding winny orally the last 5 or 6 weeks at either 100 or 150mg ed...