Primo + Var Cycle. Need feedback.

**SHAGGY** · 05-23-2006, 09:51 AM

Hi there,

A friend of mine who I have helped with his first cycle(Primo 600mg/week) which was a Primo only has decided to do a second cycle, and has asked me to help him again. A cycle I thought might be suitable for him is;
WEEK 1--> 10: METHENOLONE ENANTHATE (PRIMOBOLAN DEPOT)
@ 1000mg/WEEK
WEEK 1--> 4: METHENOLONE ACETATE
@ 150mg/DAY(1050mg/week)
(really only reaches the blood 500mg)
WEEK 1--> 8: OXANDRALONE (ANAVAR )
@ 50mg/DAY(350mg/week)
WEEK 12-->14: CLOMIPHENE CITRATE (CLOMID)
@ 150mg/DAY
WEEK 15-->17: CLOMIPHENE CITRATE (CLOMID)
@ 75mg/DAY
WEEK 1--> 10: LIV 52 (Herbal Liver Protectant)
@ 2caps/DAY

The METHENOLONE ACETATE is to jumpstart the cycle(having second thoughts though).

He weighs 187pounds(85kg).
Goal is to add lean muscle, 10 to 16 pounds will more than suffice.

Any opinions. Add anything, change anything??
(I know many will say Test prop to jumpstart, but I would rather lean towards orals and because of the anavar(C17 Alpha-Alkylated) primo seemed a good choice)

**cfiler** · 05-23-2006, 11:14 AM

No problem with the var, but why not use a test for a base?

**SHAGGY** · 05-23-2006, 12:53 PM

Thanks for the reply.

Well the reason he chose Primo is because he is very pleased with the results he had last time, and he doesn't want to gain alot of mass, just a few pounds would be nice. Primo is a pretty mild substance and I guess he wants to keep the stronger AAS for later on in his life.

Does the cycle look decent to you?? Am I forgetting anything??

Thanks for the input.

SHAGGY

**SHAGGY** · 05-24-2006, 03:33 AM

No one else?? Maybe pinn can help me I believe he is very fond of Primo and Var

.

Anyway, bumping.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

SHAGGY

**SHAGGY** · 05-24-2006, 03:40 PM

Bumping again for more replies if nobody minds.

SHAGGY

**IBdmfkr** · 05-24-2006, 04:19 PM

It's only been 6wks since his last cycle from the posts... I'd hold off and have Bloodwork done to see how he is doing.

Also, he should possibly get his diet in order if he gained a substancial amount of fat on the last cycle of Primo only. Seems as if he was just eating whatever he could find with the kind of weight he gained.

**SHAGGY** · 05-24-2006, 04:42 PM

Thanks for the reply.

He will most probably begin within A month or 3 maybe even later. And indeed this time over he will be maintaining a cleaner diet.
By the way he had bloodwork done before his last cycle and will be having his blood drawn soon. Then we will see how he is doing.
How do you consider the cycle dosage wise?? I am having some doubts about the kickstart with the Methenelone Acetate.

Thanks again for the reply, any other feedback regarding the cycle is more than(sp??) welcome.

SHAGGY

**SHAGGY** · 05-26-2006, 06:06 AM

Bumping(probably the last time).

Any feedback would be welcome, positive or negative.

Thanks in advance for any replies guys(that is IF I get anymore

).

SHAGGY

**longhorn814** · 05-26-2006, 06:32 AM

Run some prop along with it..you'll love it. One of the biggest misconceptions is that you will "blow up" if you use test..which isnt true. Im about to finish up a prop/primo/var cycle (75mg/day, 1gram/wk, 80mg/day respectively) and in terms of scale weight, maybe 5 lbs or so..but I have had a total change to my body composition. Ive lost probably 5% or so bodyfat and am much more vascular and leaner than Ive ever been. It all comes down to diet and cardio

**SHAGGY** · 05-26-2006, 07:44 AM

Thanks for the reply Longhorn.

I was thinking of just keeping primo as the base, but still have a few months to change my buddy's mind. Though I might drop the methenelone acetate as a kickstart and use prop as a kickstart.
I don't think he will be liking it but maybe I can concince him.

How about running the prop at a normal dose from week 1-->4 (to kickstart)

and then when the Primo starts to kick in lowering it to a maintenance dose??

Hope to get some more replies, everyone's opinion is more than welcome.

SHAGGY

**longhorn814** · 05-26-2006, 07:53 AM

If he runs var in the beginning that will basically be a little kick start. I ran 75mg prop/day..you could tell him to run 50mg a day, but personally from experience I thought 75mg/day was perfect. Also tell him to run at least 60mg var/day..I would use 80 mg. 50mg is kind of low..I notice var much more at 80 than 50. I wouldnt waste time or $ or primo acetate. Just go w/ prop..your buddy will love it! Tell him to run .25mg arimidex /day as well and there will be no bloat at all!

**SHAGGY** · 05-26-2006, 08:02 AM

Thanks again for the info Longhorn.

I will try to convince him to add the prop.
The primo seemed like a good kickstart because it is not 17 alpha alkylated(thus not liver toxic) and because it is an oral and does not require many injections/week.
I will definately raise the var to 80mg/day and will try to convince him to run prop at 50mg/day(don't know if he will want the prop though

)

How about pct for the current cycle would it be sufficient??
And how about pct if the prop would be involved??(finasteride and arimidex ??)

Hope for more replies.

SHAGGY

**longhorn814** · 05-26-2006, 09:59 AM

I typically run PCT something like this: Day 1 300mg clomid and then 100 mg for 30 days and 20 mg of nolva for 30 days as well.

**pumpd4lif** · 05-26-2006, 10:15 AM

would u take the nolva an clomid at the same time and if so would u take them at night i herd it is easier to deal with the emotional side from clomids when u take it at night

**longhorn814** · 05-26-2006, 10:23 AM

i always take them at the same time and I usually take them at night too. Never really had any sides from clomid so I dont worry about it

**pumpd4lif** · 05-26-2006, 10:24 AM

tx

**SHAGGY** · 05-26-2006, 10:39 AM

Thanks for the replies guys, especially you longhorn.

I was thinking wether there is a need for any DHT blockers during your cycle.
I was thinking about changing the cycle to:
week1--> 10 Methenolone Enanthate (1000mg/WEEK)
week1--> 10 Testosterone Propionate (75mg/DAY-->525mg/WEEK)
week1--> 8 Oxandrolone(80mg/DAY-->560mg/WEEK)
PCT:
week1--> 12 Arimidex (0.25mg/DAY-->1.75mg/WEEK)
week 12->14 Clomid(300mg the first day, 100mg/DAY)
week 14->16 Clomid(50mg/DAY)
week 12->16 Nolvadex (first day 40mg, 20mg/DAY)
I was thinking about adding a DHT blocker.
What are your views on this??
Should I add anything??

Thanks in advance to any replies.

SHAGGY

**IBdmfkr** · 05-26-2006, 10:46 AM

I like that cycle much better than the first proposed one.

Run the Prop through week 12.

**SHAGGY** · 05-26-2006, 11:45 AM

Thanks for the feedback guys.

Why should he run the prop for 12 weeks, will the effect start to late??
And if he runs it for 12 weeks, shouldn't PCT be started 2 weeks later two??

And what about a DHT blocker??

By the way it does look like a good cycle, but my buddy just wants to lean up and gain just 10 more pounds or so of lean muscle tissue.
Won't this cycle be "too strong"?? I know he can choose the amount of mass he will be gaining by changing his diet, but still.

Again Thanks for the feedback.

SHAGGY

**longhorn814** · 05-26-2006, 12:24 PM

run the prop through week 12. Primo has an enanthate ester so PCT starts 14 days after last shot. Keep running prop in the mean time. Its a short ester so the PCT starts 3 days after last shot.

**SHAGGY** · 05-26-2006, 03:25 PM

Thanks for the replies Longhorn and others.

I have decide to go:

WEEK 1--> 10: METHENOLONE ENANTHATE (PRIMOBOLAN DEPOT)
@ 1000mg/WEEK
WEEK 1--> 12: TESTOSTERONE PROPIONATE (TESTOSTERONE )
@ 75mg/DAY(525mg/WEEK)
WEEK 1--> 8: OXANDRALONE (ANAVAR )
@ 80mg/DAY(560mg/WEEK)

WEEK 1--> 12: LIQUIDEX (ANASTROZOLE)
@0,25mg/DAY(1,75mg/WEEK)
WEEK 1--> 16: SPIRONOLACTONE
@rinse head with once/DAY
WEEK 12-->16: TAMOXIFEN CITRATE (NOLVADEX )
@ 20mg/DAY(1st DAY 40mg)
WEEK 12-->14: CLOMIPHENE CITRATE (CLOMID)
@ 125mg/DAY(1st DAY 300mg)
WEEK 14-->16: CLOMIPHENE CITRATE (CLOMID)
@ 50mg/DAY
WEEK 1--> 10: LIV 52 (Herbal Liver Protectant)
@ 2caps/DAY

What do you guys think?? What should I change??

Thanks in advance for any replies.

SHAGGY

**SHAGGY** · 05-27-2006, 07:01 AM

Hi there,

I wanted to thank the people who have contributed to this thread and by doing so I would like to bump this thread again in the hope to receive some more insight concerning my questions(especially PCT questions).

Thanks again in advance for any replies.

SHAGGY

**fred9** · 05-27-2006, 11:31 AM

hey i think the cycle is looking quite good right now..if u dont mind everyday injections

PCT is also looking fine...when i do some heavy cycles and when im still not recovered after 4 weeks, i always use nolva @20mg ED until im fully recovered....but i think 4 weeks will be enough for this cycle..
grtz

**SpeedDemon** · 05-27-2006, 12:52 PM

mmmmm....Primo, primo, primo....nice stuff! Too bad it is overpriced, lots of fakes outhere and almost made me completely BALD!

**SHAGGY** · 05-27-2006, 03:55 PM

Thanks for the replies guys.

Wow did you almost lose all your hair on a Primo only cycle?? Were you not running proper(sp?) ancillaries with it?? what dose were you running it at SPEEDDEMON??

Hope to get even more feedback.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

SHAGGY