What's the best stack for bulk/mass for beginner?

[Geronimo]

I'm 5'7... 23 yr old. 15% BF... 165lbs... Hardgainer type.. Been training since freshman high school. I'm gathering my gear together right now. I've heard one compound is best for beginners. Some say two. What's best and how long?

[D-Money]

A great diet high in calories is the best stack for you ! You should try to get 21 calories per bodypound, 40% protein 40% carbs, 20% fats. As far as anabolics, I would wait, try to gain more naturally. But anabolic wise, if you want to run a cycle, the mods are gonna tell you to go with Test only your first cycle, probably test e or test c at 500mg for 10-12 weeks. I like test and eq. Look for novice or beginners cycles on the main webpage Steroid.com.

[Liftnainez]

Test E for 10-12 weeks @ 500mg split up 2 times per week @ 250 mgs.. but to me it looks like you have ALOT more research to do before you start..

[IBdmfkr]

165lbs....................................FOOD.

[Liftnainez]

165lbs....................................FOOD.

yes sir that is for sure!

[littlemantc]

I'm 5'7... 23 yr old. 15% BF... 165lbs... Hardgainer type.. Been training since freshman high school. I'm gathering my gear together right now. I've heard one compound is best for beginners. Some say two. What's best and how long?

do what they say bro...they know what they r talking about....eat..eat..eat..eat

[Geronimo]

A great diet high in calories is the best stack for you ! You should try to get 21 calories per bodypound, 40% protein 40% carbs, 20% fats. As far as anabolics, I would wait, try to gain more naturally. But anabolic wise, if you want to run a cycle, the mods are gonna tell you to go with Test only your first cycle, probably test e or test c at 500mg for 10-12 weeks. I like test and eq. Look for novice or beginners cycles on the main webpage Steroid.com.

Thanks Bro... I DO need to UP my calories a bit more.

[Liftnainez]

Thanks Bro... I DO need to UP my calories a bit more.

its good that you notice and admit this.. some people like to hide the truth from themselves.. straighten up your diet a bit, maybe incorporate some creatine if you want for a little extra boost and energy and you will be surprised on what you can achieve..

[IBdmfkr]

do what they say bro...they know what they r talking about....eat..eat..eat..eat

Littleman is a perfect example actually, he posted something very similar to your post bro and took our advice and has gotten excellent results NATURALLY! Props to you Lil'Man.

[Geronimo]

Test E for 10-12 weeks @ 500mg split up 2 times per week @ 250 mgs.. but to me it looks like you have ALOT more research to do before you start..

I'm not starting yet. I've been training like a madman... It's my diet. What do you guys think of creatine? I've been off that.

[Geronimo]

Sounds good... You guys motivate me!

[littlemantc]

Littleman is a perfect example actually, he posted something very similar to your post bro and took our advice and has gotten excellent results NATURALLY! Props to you Lil'Man.

yup...i gained 18 lb in 3 months..naturally..with proper diet and training..that i learned from this board....i thank ibdmfkr..4 the advice...

[Liftnainez]

I'm not starting yet. I've been training like a madman... It's my diet. What do you guys think of creatine? I've been off that.

read my post above.. its funny bc i suggested you to use creatine.. look a few posts up

[Liftnainez]

yup...i gained 18 lb in 3 months..naturally..with proper diet and training..that i learned from this board....i thank ibdmfkr..4 the advice...

very nice.. what weight did you start at?

[Geronimo]

read my post above.. its funny bc i suggested you to use creatine.. look a few posts up

yea i saw that afterwards... Haha

[littlemantc]

lets just say i am a very small guy..almost a midget..i stand only 5'3"

[maxex]

d-bol and test. People use gear to get bigger, beyond their normal physical capabilities if eating and diet made everyone that much bigger than this site wouldn't exist. and juice would be obsolete. d-bol, test and pct, knock yourself out bro.

[Liftnainez]

d-bol and test. People use gear to get bigger, beyond their normal physical capabilities if eating and diet made everyone that much bigger than this site wouldn't exist. and juice would be obsolete. d-bol, test and pct, knock yourself out bro.

[Liftnainez]

d-bol and test. People use gear to get bigger, beyond their normal physical capabilities if eating and diet made everyone that much bigger than this site wouldn't exist. and juice would be obsolete. d-bol, test and pct, knock yourself out bro.

people who weigh 165 can easily gain weight with an increase of cals in their diet (correct foods obviously).. if you think that diet is not important than you are COMPLETELY wrong! sorry bud

[Geronimo]

people who weigh 165 can easily gain weight with an increase of cals in their diet (correct foods obviously).. if you think that diet is not important than you are COMPLETELY wrong! sorry bud

It's not just my diet. We (i'm military) run like crazy. I'm trying to look like Rambo not Jay Cutler. Creatine flushes out my system after sweating it all out anyways. I'll be outta marine world soon that's why I'm asking. My question is... should I get off creatine if when I start my cycle?

[Geronimo]

lets just say i am a very small guy..almost a midget..i stand only 5'3"

Tom Platz was your size. He was a Champ! I'd put his pix up instead of an OmpaLumpa's.

[IBdmfkr]

Lmao~!!!

I love that little umpalumpa!

Btw, totally disagree with the folowing statement.............

d-bol and test. People use gear to get bigger, beyond their normal physical capabilities if eating and diet made everyone that much bigger than this site wouldn't exist. and juice would be obsolete. d-bol, test and pct, knock yourself out bro.

Please explain to us how growth can be obtained and maintained by your theory? I could take all the Dbol/Test in the world and on a 2000cal diet wouldn't gain shit.

[maxex]

Please explain to us how growth can be obtained and maintained by your theory? I could take all the Dbol/Test in the world and on a 2000cal diet wouldn't gain shit.

What do I have to explain I think it's pretty dam clear. I never said diet and eating werent important, theyr very important on or off cycle, for a lot of peopkle no matter how good threre diet is will never reach there goals with out juice. Isnt that why 1/2 the people on this board use it. I know thats why i did, but then again, i dont tell the guy next to me to do it naturally while i have the pin stuck in my azz.

[IBdmfkr]

d-bol and test. People use gear to get bigger, beyond their normal physical capabilities if eating and diet made everyone that much bigger than this site wouldn't exist. and juice would be obsolete. d-bol, test and pct, knock yourself out bro.

It's the way you put your first post bro.. you basically shrugged off the eating part and said "knock yourself out" with the drugs.. and you wonder why I questioned you?

[littlemantc]

Lmao~!!!

I love that little umpalumpa!

Btw, totally disagree with the folowing statement.............






Please explain to us how growth can be obtained and maintained by your theory? I could take all the Dbol/Test in the world and on a 2000cal diet wouldn't gain shit.

you rock ibdmfkr!!!

[boxingbean]

hmm...sumtimes a good anabolic cycle can kick start in muscle growth for the rest of ur time....but...may just go away...i had a real time gainin meat, after a cycle...i would go normal...never stoped workin out, kept dieting, just went away...until i did a weird deca/tren cycle and then ended with sum rebound xt and wow...im still gainin everyday, no more rebound, just food and still WOW....