Why did I stop growing?

**PapaPump8** · 05-31-2006, 01:34 PM

Okay I'm on my 4th cycle and I'm doing 100mgs of tren ED and 150 mgs of prop EOD the first week I gainned 6 lbs since then I have not gainned shit. It's been 2 weeks. I have not had noticable strenghth gains, I sleep just fine never have hot flashes or rage on anyone I don't even feel like I'm on anything but the first week I could tell I was getting a little depressed and very irritated and I could tell it was in my system now it feel like it's just leveled out. My body never reacts to steriods like I want them to I never gain a moster amount of weight if I'm lucky I will gain 10 lbs. I think a part of it has to do with not taking enough time off I took 3 months off did a cycle then took 3 months off did another cycle the cycles before this were decca and test and eq and test....So I think that the problem I have to take a good 8-10 months off... Any other reason why my body doesn't react to roids? I mean if it's diet then wouldn't my strengh go up and wouldn't i still have sides? my brother is doing the same cycle and using the same gear he is up 10-12 lbs im up 6but it was only the first week...anyone know why this is?

6'2 186 when i started I'm 193 now body fat 6 percent and i'm 6'2 I started off at like 145 lbs when i first started cycling...

**taiboxa** · 05-31-2006, 01:46 PM

im running some .. fairly large doses right now of tren /test/halo and im happy w/ 1lb a week gain.. since its LBM gains
diet would be to blame if ur gear is legit that is all left in the variability

**Streaker** · 05-31-2006, 01:48 PM

What is your diet like? If you want to gain more mass eat more fuel.

**Pinnacle** · 05-31-2006, 01:56 PM

My question is what amount of testosterone have you ran in the past?It might be time that you should have upped the dose.
Also,you touched on a very important point.NOT ENOUGH TIME OF BETWEEN CYCLES.You just can't keep running cycles close together, at low doses as well, and expect to keep getting results on an anual basis.Anabolics are like any other drug.You do indeed get a tolernace to some extent with these drugs.They are synthetic hormones are taking.

~Pinnacle~

**Prime** · 05-31-2006, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by PapaPump8

6'2 186 when i started I'm 193 now body fat 6 percent and i'm 6'2 I started off at like 145 lbs when i first started cycling...

did you train at all before you started cycling?
I could be wrong this is only a guess but im going to assume that you need to fix up thing like you're diet and training.
if you're bf is 6% and you are trying to bulk then eat more.

**heavyrotation92** · 05-31-2006, 02:02 PM

yea, definately check your calories bro. eat eat eat.

**PapaPump8** · 05-31-2006, 02:28 PM

I'm not saying it's not the food I understand it is part of it but what about strength gains what about the sides? I don't gets sides ever from steriods , it's a good thing I'm not complaining but sometime I wish I could just have a sign saying damn I'm on the juic cause I just had hot flashes or I couldn't sleep...I'm trying to eat as much as I can just the last few days I went through sopme stress cause of a realtionship that went bad and had no stomach to eat.

**PapaPump8** · 05-31-2006, 02:31 PM

pinn yo think that 150 of prop EOD and 100 mgs of tren home made stuff ED isn't enough? maybe the tren is under dosed since my bro made it with some kit and I guess a lot of people make tren still could it be under dosed? or could i be use to the low doses? I have ran 750 mgs of test enthate before so........

**lucabratzi** · 05-31-2006, 02:57 PM

to be honest u've done 3 cycles already and ur only 186 ur diet has to be shitty...

**Pinnacle** · 06-01-2006, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by PapaPump8

pinn yo think that 150 of prop EOD and 100 mgs of tren home made stuff ED isn't enough? maybe the tren is under dosed since my bro made it with some kit and I guess a lot of people make tren still could it be under dosed? or could i be use to the low doses? I have ran 750 mgs of test enthate before so........

Personally,I think you doses are far too low in regards to testosterone bro.I don't know anyone who drops doses and continues to see good results.It's more like uppping the dose to get results.The more you use anabolics,the more your system adapts(gets used to the drugs).

Sounds like you buddy could have possibly made an error with the homebrew fina.If the dose was relatively close,you should at least see some strength gains.

~Pinnacle~

**magic32** · 06-01-2006, 10:57 AM

How old are you?
I see way too many variables for anyone to accurately identify your root problem:

Originally Posted by PapaPump8

Okay I'm on my 4th cycle and I'm doing 100mgs of tren ED and 150 mgs of prop EOD the first week I gainned 6 lbs

6'2 186 when i started I'm 193 now body fat 6 percent and i'm 6'2 I started off at like 145 lbs when i first started cycling...

I'm trying to eat as much as I can just the last few days I went through sopme stress cause of a realtionship that went bad and had no stomach to eat.

I think a part of it has to do with not taking enough time off I took 3 months off did a cycle then took 3 months off did another cycle

maybe the tren is under dosed since my bro made it with some kit and I guess a lot of people make tren still could it be under dosed?

Granted 47 lbs illustrates solid gain, but if you’re 6’2’’ and your aas starting point was 145 lbs several red flags go up: age (doesn’t sound consistent with an adult’s weight and height); diet (doesn’t sound like a gainer’s); training program (doesn’t sound good); training history (doesn’t sound extensive enough to have built a solid base or neared genetic potential). When you juxtapose this with the above variables your possible shortcomings are infinite.

You should post your age, basic diet and training program. These would help narrow the possibilities.

M.

**The Baron** · 06-01-2006, 12:53 PM

Fina made by the "wet process", where there is no intermediate stage in which the trenbolone acetate is a dry, weigh-able powder, almost always yields under-dosed product. Furthermore, you can only guess at what the strenght actually is. At 100mg/ED the tren should at very least be interfering with your sleep via night sweats, dreams, etc. I can't go over about 70mgs/ED and I have considerable experience with fina.

When running fina, it must be remembered that there is a very narrow range of effective dosing. Too much, and of course side effects are unbearable. But very much less, and your gains are lackluster, to say the least. I usually recommend beginning with 50mg/ED and ramping up carefully until sides are noticeable but tolerable. The nice thing about the acetate ester is that if sides are a problem, you can cut the dose and have relief in a matter of days. Remember, even 5mg difference can have a noticeable effect with fina.

I like to run the test higher than the fina, btw. And since you are shooting the fina ED, as you certainly should, you may as well shoot the prop daily, as well.

Gains from the prop/fina stack are modest in quantity but usually superior in quality. You should be very lean going into this cycle, or you will hardly notice the improvement. There is a definite hardening/consolidating effect, and what gains you make will be lasting ones. In my experience, 5 pounds from a short cycle of fina and prop is something to celebrate. So don't be dismayed if you are not giving your scales much to groan about. But in truth, I suspect that you are not getting the dosage that you think you are, anyway.

**PapaPump8** · 06-01-2006, 01:49 PM

Okay so you think I should start moving up my doses for the tren ? right now im at 100 mgs ED maybe I will go up to about 150? and see how the sides are or if i can tell...I'm in the start of week 3 yesterday my bench was noticable stronger I went from pushing 275 about 6 times to pushing 275 10 times...That is pretty good I would say and my pump was also noticable now I have been eatting my ass of and feel sick of eatting so that will continue I want to be able to tell I'm on the tren so ima up my dose to 150...

**The Baron** · 06-02-2006, 10:18 AM

Bump it up no more than 10mg at a time, is my recommendation. "Tren rage" is a very real phenomenon in many users. And remember, this all only applies to your current batch of fina. You are basically guessing that 1ml has a certain dose of the hormone in it. Your guess might be way off, but the assumption still relevant for this batch of gear. If the next batch is stronger, and you use the same liquid measurement dose, you could have problems.

Tren is a pretty neat drug, but it can be tricky, especially with homebrewed, wet-process fina. Exercise caution and good luck to you.

**Superhuman** · 06-02-2006, 10:25 AM

i'd say move on to enanthate instead of prop, prop has never done much for me. Also, try eating more - you know AAS allow you to synthesize more protein, so may as well over-indulge!