quick dbol question plz read

**lorefice** · 06-02-2006, 11:15 PM

can dbol be taken by itself or does it have to be stacked with somthing ...

**Kale** · 06-02-2006, 11:17 PM

Its normally stacked with Test and used as a jump start to a cycle. It can be done on its own but its not recommended.

**lorefice** · 06-02-2006, 11:22 PM

what happens if its not stacked

**Kale** · 06-02-2006, 11:25 PM

I have never done it on its own but the consensus is that most of the gains are water weight and you will lose a lot of it at the end of the cycle

**james21** · 06-02-2006, 11:35 PM

dbol alone WILL give muscle ... and alot of water weight ... but it WILL give you more muscle

**Liftnainez** · 06-03-2006, 12:45 AM

like said above its not recommended, but it can be done.. Test/Dbol will yield great solid gains.. dont want to inject?

**Anabolios** · 06-03-2006, 12:48 AM

i dont mean to sound rude but do some research..there are a million threads about dbol only cycles but read a few and then decide for yourself dont let some parrot around here tell you "you will have the sex drive of a gerbil"

or something stupid...read for yourself and you will find that if you insist on doing an oral only cycle..there are many more options that will yield better results injections are goooooooooooooooood though

**LeDias** · 06-03-2006, 01:33 AM

Lorefice,
DBol only is not that bad... while you're on!
Then you will lose most of your gains in strenght and weight.

You have at least to stack it with test and if you really don't want to inject use Andriol (oral test) but it's really expensive.
DBol for 4 weeks and test for 8 weeks.

DBol+Andriol stack works, I know someone at my previous gym who only use this stack twice a year and he is 5'8 for 215 lbs.
He is big and pretty lean but really scared by needles (and BTW rich... hum)

**Anabolios** · 06-03-2006, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by LeDias

Lorefice,
DBol only is not that bad... while you're on!
Then you will lose most of your gains in strenght and weight.

You have at least to stack it with test and if you really don't want to inject use Andriol (oral test) but it's really expensive.
DBol for 4 weeks and test for 8 weeks.

DBol+Andriol stack works, I know someone at my previous gym who only use this stack twice a year and he is 5'8 for 215 lbs.
He is big and pretty lean but really scared by needles (and BTW rich... hum)

dbol only is not that bad...while youre on?
what does this mean? on test? if so then its not dbol only
what test are you suggesting to run for 8 weeks? because most take 5-6 weeks to kick in why stop at 8?

"dbol+andril stack works" this statement says nothing about dosages,duration,or pct just because "your friend" is that size it doesnt mean anything we dont know what hes eating,how hes training, or the before and after results..and i doubt anyone cares as i see much more effective and cheaper oral only cycles

i say just keep the vague advice to yourself man and start handing it out when you know whats going on

**LeDias** · 06-03-2006, 02:06 AM

Calm down Anabolios,
"DBol only is not that bad... while you're on!" means that it's not that bad while you are still on your DBol only cycle and then when this cycle is finish most of the gains will be lost.

"DBol for 4 weeks and test for 8 weeks" is if he decide to go with Andriol so the test is the Testosterone undecanoate and it's the duration used by "my friend"

OK so here is the dosages used by him 30mg/day of DBol and 10 Andriol tabs (400mg) per day for previously mentioned duration. PCT is a must and, in his case, consists of Clomid only for a month.

"i see much more effective and cheaper oral only cycles" please share them with us...

Just my opinion and right to say it as it's a forum for discussion and not fighting, isn't it?

**DDDNTZ** · 06-03-2006, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by LeDias

Calm down Anabolios,
"DBol only is not that bad... while you're on!" means that it's not that bad while you are still on your DBol only cycle and then when this cycle is finish most of the gains will be lost.

"DBol for 4 weeks and test for 8 weeks" is if he decide to go with Andriol so the test is the Testosterone undecanoate and it's the duration used by "my friend"

OK so here is the dosages used by him 30mg/day of DBol and 10 Andriol tabs (400mg) per day for previously mentioned duration. PCT is a must and, in his case, consists of Clomid only for a month.

"i see much more effective and cheaper oral only cycles" please share them with us...

Just my opinion and right to say it as it's a forum for discussion and not fighting, isn't it?

Clomid-only pct eh?

**cfiler** · 06-03-2006, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by lorefice

can dbol be taken by itself or does it have to be stacked with somthing ...

Test is needed as a base. Dbol only = no.

**LeDias** · 06-03-2006, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by DDDNTZ

Clomid-only pct eh?

What's wrong with that?...

**diamonds** · 06-03-2006, 05:37 PM

did I magically somehow end up in the Retard forum???

wish they had a smiley with a helmet on!!

**LeDias** · 06-03-2006, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by diamonds

did I magically somehow end up in the Retard forum???

wish they had a smiley with a helmet on!!

Please tell why... give fact... go ahead, all ears and eyes open

**beuleux** · 06-03-2006, 06:08 PM

"your friend" didnt turn a nice shade of yellow did he by any chance

**LeDias** · 06-03-2006, 06:11 PM

No he didn't, why?

Also why "your friend"?

**diamonds** · 06-03-2006, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by LeDias

What's wrong with that?...

Take a look at what you just wrote and then ask me again! You think that Clomid only is O.K. for PCT?

**OldUncle** · 06-03-2006, 08:16 PM

Dbol 's been around forever and was used alone by a whole lot of people for a whole lot of years. Modern steroid gurus opinions may differ, but there's a reason it was called 'breakfast of champions' in the 60s and 70s. Try a 12-16 week deca -and-dbol cycle and as long as you are eating and lifting heavy you'll have plenty of quality mass left over once the water weight is metabolized.

**Kale** · 06-03-2006, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by d3hsd00w

Dbol 's been around forever and was used alone by a whole lot of people for a whole lot of years. Modern steroid gurus opinions may differ, but there's a reason it was called 'breakfast of champions' in the 60s and 70s. Try a 12-16 week deca-and-dbol cycle and as long as you are eating and lifting heavy you'll have plenty of quality mass left over once the water weight is metabolized.

And a dick that will stay soft for a long time

**Anabolios** · 06-04-2006, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by LeDias

Calm down Anabolios,
"DBol only is not that bad... while you're on!" means that it's not that bad while you are still on your DBol only cycle and then when this cycle is finish most of the gains will be lost.

"DBol for 4 weeks and test for 8 weeks" is if he decide to go with Andriol so the test is the Testosterone undecanoate and it's the duration used by "my friend"

OK so here is the dosages used by him 30mg/day of DBol and 10 Andriol tabs (400mg) per day for previously mentioned duration. PCT is a must and, in his case, consists of Clomid only for a month.

"i see much more effective and cheaper oral only cycles" please share them with us...

Just my opinion and right to say it as it's a forum for discussion and not fighting, isn't it?

tbol only tbol/var this would be much more cost effective than 400mg/ed of andriol and 30mg/dbol and it does produce noticeable results..look some threads up

**OldUncle** · 06-04-2006, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Kale

And a dick that will stay soft for a long time

I've been married for 30 years, so I don't need mine.

**Anabolios** · 06-04-2006, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by d3hsd00w

I've been married for 30 years, so I don't need mine.

......well dont suggest it to other people that actually wanna get laid dude...and i dont think married has anything to do with not having sex anyways you obviously know nothing about basic cycling or else you wouldnt have handed out this trash advice...keep to yourself until you know what youre talking about...and ledias can keep to himself about his clomid only pct's so you guys can just shhh now

**LeDias** · 06-04-2006, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anabolios

...and ledias can keep to himself about his clomid only pct's ...

Not my PCT but his PCT, since my 2nd cycle I use Nolva throughout the cycle and during PCT with the Clomidprone to gyno)
I still haven't got any answer why clomid only for PCT is bad? (I want info, I'm not arguing)
But Anabolios, thx for this oral cycle example, here where I live no one use Turinabol or know a thing about it and anavar is so rare it's even more expensive than andriol I think.

And to clarify things, this oral cycle (Andriol+DBol ) is not mine, I think there's a misunderstanding.
Thx

**Anabolios** · 06-04-2006, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by LeDias

Not my PCT but his PCT, since my 2nd cycle I use Nolva throughout the cycle and during PCT with the Clomidprone to gyno)
I still haven't got any answer why clomid only for PCT is bad? (I want info, I'm not arguing)
But Anabolios, thx for this oral cycle example, here where I live no one use Turinabol or know a thing about it and anavar is so rare it's even more expensive than andriol I think.

And to clarify things, this oral cycle (Andriol+DBol ) is not mine, I think there's a misunderstanding.
Thx

i just learn about tbol and var aint cheap either clomid only pct just isnt as effective for a full cycle..nolva only could work for tbol...but id combine the two for prolonged heavy androgen use or any androgen use for that matter

**boxingbean** · 06-04-2006, 04:15 PM

d bol will do sumthing alone...but water weight and gains will go away quick! so best stacked as a starter cycle...help kick off

could you do it alone? ya
would i recomend it?? no

**boxingbean** · 06-04-2006, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anabolios

i dont mean to sound rude but do some research..there are a million threads about dbol only cycles but read a few and then decide for yourself dont let some parrot around here tell you "you will have the sex drive of a gerbil"

or something stupid...read for yourself and you will find that if you insist on doing an oral only cycle..there are many more options that will yield better results injections are goooooooooooooooood though

you critisize more then you give advice....

**OldUncle** · 06-04-2006, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anabolios

......well dont suggest it to other people that actually wanna get laid dude...and i dont think married has anything to do with not having sex anyways you obviously know nothing about basic cycling or else you wouldnt have handed out this trash advice...keep to yourself until you know what youre talking about...

My first flame! When you get out of high school, maybe you'll be able to discern and appreciate humor. I'd also bet good $ that anyone who uses the term 'dude' is probably not old enough to know diddly about training or ergogenics that he hasn't picked up by reading or other nonexperiencal means. Arnold, Franco, Draper, Olivia, etc. - more meat has been build with the old school deca -and-dbol stack than any other, ever, period. There are newer and possibly better substance combos, but anyone who says it doesn't work is too stupid to listen to about any related subject.

It doesn't 'make your dick quit working' either. It might, on some people, who aren't smart enough to do what is necessary to counteract side effects, but that's a far cry from the universal negative. I fathered four children while eating dbol like M&Ms, almost certainly before you were born.

**maxex** · 06-04-2006, 04:55 PM

I think it depends on the person and how they train. I always thought you should never take dbol w/o test but I tried it out for 4 weeks and had great gains with minumal loss. my strength decreased somewhat but for the most part it worked fine for me.

**Anabolios** · 06-04-2006, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by d3hsd00w

My first flame! When you get out of high school, maybe you'll be able to discern and appreciate humor. I'd also bet good $ that anyone who uses the term 'dude' is probably not old enough to know diddly about training or ergogenics that he hasn't picked up by reading or other nonexperiencal means. Arnold, Franco, Draper, Olivia, etc. - more meat has been build with the old school deca -and-dbol stack than any other, ever, period. There are newer and possibly better substance combos, but anyone who says it doesn't work is too stupid to listen to about any related subject.

It doesn't 'make your dick quit working' either. It might, on some people, who aren't smart enough to do what is necessary to counteract side effects, but that's a far cry from the universal negative. I fathered four children while eating dbol like M&Ms, almost certainly before you were born.

alright buddy..this is not a flame its plain and simple advice...more than not deca only cycles are bad and its a terrible choice...please tell me what you can do to counteract the sex drive issues while using deca without test its not that simple or people would be using it by itself more often without problems...and in high school? im in school for exercise science and its not high school

and to boxingbean...i criticize...give advice..make jokes you can take everything i say for humor..or literally and use it for the better i see nothing wrong with my posts

**kingtatee** · 06-04-2006, 11:34 PM

I think we have to many Chiefs and not enough Indians around here. Is everyone here a Doctor? I didn't think so. I'm doing a cycle of Dbol as we speak,,,nothing else,,,just 15mg of dbol and eating tons. I'll let you all know how it works out for me. And,,,just so you all know,,,my only PCT will be clomid,,,,if I do that,,,,,who knows,,,,,,,,I might not do a thing,,,,,,,,,,later,,

King

**Liftnainez** · 06-04-2006, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by kingtatee

I think we have to many Chiefs and not enough Indians around here. Is everyone here a Doctor? I didn't think so. I'm doing a cycle of Dbol as we speak,,,nothing else,,,just 15mg of dbol and eating tons. I'll let you all know how it works out for me. And,,,just so you all know,,,my only PCT will be clomid,,,,if I do that,,,,,who knows,,,,,,,,I might not do a thing,,,,,,,,,,later,,

King

lol thats kinda funny.. good luck on your cycle.. diff things work for diff people.. let us know how it goes..

**Anabolios** · 06-04-2006, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

lol thats kinda funny.. good luck on your cycle.. diff things work for diff people.. let us know how it goes..

yeah let us knowww its so low of a dose i dont see a whole lot of suppression...i dont understand going this low but ehh whatever i guess good luck with your pct or lack there of...or whatever it is you plan on doing maybe he works for ross

new revolutionary idea: "Maybe do a PCT!! Or maybe not!"

**fLgAtOr** · 06-05-2006, 12:01 AM

I find it amazing how such a simple question can turn into such a waste of server space.

**fLgAtOr** · 06-05-2006, 12:04 AM

Lorefice,

Your question was answered by the first three posters. My question to you (if you are still paying attention..I wouldn't be) is why do you want to run D's buy themselves?

fL

**maxex** · 06-05-2006, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anabolios

yeah let us knowww its so low of a dose i dont see a whole lot of suppression...i dont understand going this low but ehh whatever i guess good luck with your pct or lack there of...or whatever it is you plan on doing maybe he works for ross

new revolutionary idea: "Maybe do a PCT!! Or maybe not!"

Why is that low? because everyone says you have to take more to have an effect. I took 15mg a day and liek I said had pretty solid results, I wont do it again only because u do get better results when stacked with some form of test.