Average test levels?

[big1boy]

Question. what are the average test levels of males in their 20's. What is the least amount of test one could supplement without wasting your time effort and $

[Warrior]

Question. what are the average test levels of males in their 20's. What is the least amount of test one could supplement without wasting your time effort and $

It can very 3 fold between men and much higher than that between two women (like 10 or 12 fold). Clinically - 60mg per week of testosterone enanthate is considered replacement. If you replace - you gain zero benefit... unless you are trying to treat a case of inadequate natural levels.

As a performance enhanceing drug - testosterone should be administered at any dose over 300mg per week... as the minimum. Many studies show this is where you get all the AR mediated benefits, the cross-over binding to glucocorticoids, generation of new satelite cells and other less know effects on muscle mass. Plasma levels should also be allowed to remain stable for less androgenic sides. A minimum of >300mg per week for performance gains.

IMO...

[TheDfromGC]

i remember reading the # a while ago but it was small id probably say less than 50mg naturally. as for the smallest amount, it depends on the person some people will gain 20 lbs off 250mg/week while other people will need higher, average starting dose is 500mg/week though

[IBdmfkr]

Avg. Test serum levels in males is between 250-900 ng/dL.
Like warrior said, it varies from person to person.. the best thing to do though that many probably wish they had done (including myself) is have your Test levels checked before doing any anabolics at all so you know what is normal for YOU.

[WEBB]

you have to remember there are 2 types of test one test, free test i believe is only supposed to be around 40, and that is for someone around 25 years old....

[IBdmfkr]

Very true.. also from what I understand FreeTest levels are much more important than serum levels.

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

i know my levels are high, and i am 19 i think they were like 1250 ng/dl. last time i saw. like 3 months ago.\

It will be different for all people. i have buddies with 1800, then gain i have friends in their 20's with 500. it is genetic, diet, and age.

[WEBB]

when i had my work done 2 months ago my free test was 400.....and the doctor was concerned more about that than the serum levels...

[big1boy]

pretty vague question. but thanks for the awesome info. very helpful

[zaggahamma]

i remember reading the # a while ago but it was small id probably say less than 50mg naturally. as for the smallest amount, it depends on the person some people will gain 20 lbs off 250mg/week while other people will need higher, average starting dose is 500mg/week though

..referring to when you said "depends on the person" ..So, would someone with hypergonadism(200-300 total) need a higher dose to see only slight gains? Or did you mean it depends on other factors other than just testosterone levels?

thnks

[Random]

Are you planning on using test? if not you could always use Oral Tbol....saves the injections...please post stats, goals, diet...etc...

[zaggahamma]

thought i would add that i didn't mean to hijack big1boy's thread...i thought that my ? would broaden his ? ....i was kind of asking that if you are starting out with lower T, then would you need more extraneous test than someone with already high levels...i had never thought about that b4, but it would make sense if someone was around 900 already, they wouldn't need as much as someone with low levels.

[groundandpoundpwr21]

I think its 70mg a week. Thats why people bridge with 10mg of dbol or they take 10mg in the am during pct. I always thought docs used 200mg every two weeks of cyp as hrt. That would work out to about 70mg of test a week after subtracting the ester.

[zaggahamma]

that's good information...didn't even think about the ester.

[big1boy]

My stats 6'3 235 bf ?12-15%?. I'm 26 and when i do my next cycle I didn't want to take high amounts of test. I was hoping 400mg test e and cyp. That is my plan hopefully i won't jack up my dosages
i have been weigh training since I was 15.took a year off at 20yrs old due to shoulder surgery.
My first cycle was 200mg/Deca( very poor results/planning)6wks
2nd- Deca 200mg/sost250mg/wk 10wk(good results gained 25 pounds0
3rd-deca200mg/test e 200mg 12 wks (10lbs.diet was poor)wk12-16 winny 100mg eod.(definately noticed harder muscles less bloat)
4-Deca400mg/test cyp(upjon)200mg 10wk(I was lean and vascular)
my first 3 cycles i never did any cardio a lot of bloat but my 4 I was doing cardio everyday and resulted in my best cycle as appearance is concerned
Even though I never had a strict diet I always consumed 3-4hundred gr. of protein.
Nowdays my diet is much cleaner my cardio is excellent I just haven't added any aas in about 1 1/2 years.

[TheDfromGC]

..referring to when you said "depends on the person" ..So, would someone with hypergonadism(200-300 total) need a higher dose to see only slight gains? Or did you mean it depends on other factors other than just testosterone levels?

thnks

i just based that off certain people ive seen/heard about getting very good results with low doses while other people need higher doses. not sure the exact science but myself for instance will gain more off 50mg/day var cycle then 500mg/week test cycle....how does that work... but it is what it is... theres tons of factors, genetics, AS exp., training, diet....to me it makes sense where if somebody can do so well off such a low dose of test (250mg/week)then there have to be people on the opposite end of the spectrum that will need much higher doses to achieve the same thing....as for original test levels beforehand, i cant say how that effects the performance of certain gear being i didnt have the numbers/levels of the natural test from the people ive seen with these somewhat unusual results

[big1boy]

bump. continuation of very first thread @anabolic review

[Warrior]

..referring to when you said "depends on the person" ..So, would someone with hypergonadism(200-300 total) need a higher dose to see only slight gains? Or did you mean it depends on other factors other than just testosterone levels?

thnks

Diffierent people react different ways due to differing physiology, total lean body mass and number of available androgen receptors, overall training intensity, quality of the diet...

If you were hypo or hypergonadal, it doesn't really matter since you are shutting down endogenous testosterone when you administer your own. But a hypogonadal man may have the typical signs of a man with low testosterone. A properly virilized man will have a wider shoulder girdle and a greater natural level of muscularity. The hypo guy would obviously see a greater initial benefit... due to the fact that he has never really had "adequate" androgen levels in his blood... ya dig?

[zaggahamma]

dig only the first part where you answere my question...you're saying NO it doesn't mean if you have low T you need to take more of a dose to see gains because the levels you have before injecting don't come into play because those hormones are being shut down.

got confused with the hypo and hyper gonadism....guessing though by how you said hypo guy NEVER had adequate T and hyper guy might have had adequate levels, then declined....is that a complete dig?

And thanks Warrior

[Warrior]

got confused with the hypo and hyper gonadism....guessing though by how you said hypo guy NEVER had adequate T and hyper guy might have had adequate levels, then declined....is that a complete dig?

What? Declined why? Hyper referring to someone with more than adequate T and properly virilized...

Basically, what I was getting at was this: if I administered 500 milligrams of testosterone enanthate into Richard Simmons every week you would see a more dramatic initial change than if I administered the same dose into Vin Diesel... in more ways than general aesthetics... since he obviously a very, very girly man

Take away lesson here is don't dose your cycles based on supplementing endogenous T because you will effectively replace it. Dose it based on your LBM, training intensity, dietary limitations and what you set as your risk-to-benefit comfort zone.

[magic32]

What? Declined why? Hyper referring to someone with more than adequate T and properly virilized...

Basically, what I was getting at was this: if I administered 500 milligrams of testosterone enanthate into Richard Simmons every week you would see a more dramatic initial change than if I administered the same dose into Vin Diesel... in more ways than general aesthetics... since he obviously a very, very girly man

Take away lesson here is don't dose your cycles based on supplementing endogenous T because you will effectively replace it. Dose it based on your LBM, training intensity, dietary limitations and what you set as your risk-to-benefit comfort zone.

I take issue on this Warrior.
Yes Richard will have a dramatic change, but so will Vin since you're increasing his usual inj from 750 (+500wkly) to 1250, that's really going to pump Vin WAY up.

M.

[Warrior]

pfft...

[Testostack]

Interesting reading...