19/yo first cycle in a few months. I know I know

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

OK bruthers, I dont want any shitfor this thread. None what so ever.

I have been on this forum for a while. been lifting since i was 14, gained tons and want 1 cycle.

I am a big advocate of the test only first cycle. But this will be the only one for a year or two.

I was think this

weeks 1-10: test E, 500mg/week. 250mg monday, 250mg thursday
weeks 1-8: tren, 50mg per day.
weeks 1-10: .25mg liquidex/day

week 12: 60mg nolva/day
weeks 13-14: 40mg nolva, clomid
week 15, 20mg nolva, clomid
week16: 20mg nolva

clomid will be as follows. days 1-2 300mg a day, days 3-5 150mg a day, days 6-11 100mg a day, days 12-21 50mg a day.

calories will eb at 6500 or so. usually eat 5000 minimum to bulk anyway.

200mcg b6 a day for appetite.

i am 240. 9%bf 6'5.

looking ot gain and keep 20-25lbs

500g protein, 800gcarbs, 160g fat(mostly good)= 6650 cals

Thanks for the info i shal recieve.

[lucabratzi]

ur goin to catch shit for this thread cause ur 19....too young....second u plan on running tren...horrible idea...i know what ur thinking, oh just shoot eat and get big...its not like that there are side effects...i was on test only and experienced sides...

[anaBROLIC]

ur goin to catch shit for this thread cause ur 19....too young....second u plan on running tren...horrible idea...i know what ur thinking, oh just shoot eat and get big...its not like that there are side effects...i was on test only and experienced sides...

i didnt want to be the first to say it.. and how you said it will be the only 1 for 1 or 2 more years.. everyone says that.. im not really going to give my opinion as i feel you are too young for it but adding the tren is a bit much for a first cycle.

[Act of God]

if your stats are true, you sound like a beast. The cycle seems well-planned, but I would advise against it. Tren is pretty harsh as well.

[WEBB]

you ar eto young in my opinion, but it is obvious you are not going to listen and your going to do it anyway...so i can either give you advice to do it right or not respond and let you really screw it and yourself up.....so, do not add tren, just run the test e if you have to do this now...the thing you dont understand is that you have so much natural test in ya and it is 10000% better than any of the test e you will be injecting into you, and the sides are way less also...Your pct seems ok, and your diet numbers are good...with a diet and good training at your age you will have better gains than if you dd test...good luck...

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

i am not far from 20. I know the reasoning. I mean i have put it off since i was 16, been wainting quietly. I mean i cant do any after that, I will be ion comps for powerlifting and aybe a bb show they will test me. And i have a strong will. maybe i willwait.

**** i mean shit, all my friends are like 5'10 which sucks, they are like 200lbs huge, and cycling. Then again all of them are 24-28 years old.

i mean i bulk and shit i dont gain liek i used to, which is of course to be expected.

last bulk was 300g protein, 600g carbs, 130g fat. i gained maybe 12lbs muscle in 4 months.

next bulk will be 350-400g protein, 700-900g carbs, 150g fat(mostly good). for 5 months. If i dont gain off this i will use a cycle of test.

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

asd far as being a monster, at 6'5 i aint as big as some. I gain hella strength stikll tho. same as when i first started.

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

i know my test levels are 1250 ng/dl. had em tested at the doc 3 months back, is this good. for a 19 yo

[rar1015]

6'5 and 240lbs at 19 years old!!! You're a beast.

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

chest 47
arms 17.25
waist 35
quads 28.75
forearms 14.75
calves 19

,easurements arent the best. I* know my arms suck

all measurements are cold. just did them today

[anaBROLIC]

you seem pretty knowledgable on what your doing. your a beast at that size at 19 years old. just keep at it a couple more years. you already waited this long..

[davidboy]

good stats bro keep it up naturally few more years, still have lots of potential naturally..

[Swifto]

OK bruthers, I dont want any shitfor this thread. None what so ever.

I have been on this forum for a while. been lifting since i was 14, gained tons and want 1 cycle.

I am a big advocate of the test only first cycle. But this will be the only one for a year or two.
I was think this

weeks 1-10: test E, 500mg/week. 250mg monday, 250mg thursday
weeks 1-8: tren, 50mg per day.
weeks 1-10: .25mg liquidex/day

week 12: 60mg nolva/day
weeks 13-14: 40mg nolva, clomid
week 15, 20mg nolva, clomid
week16: 20mg nolva

clomid will be as follows. days 1-2 300mg a day, days 3-5 150mg a day, days 6-11 100mg a day, days 12-21 50mg a day.

calories will eb at 6500 or so. usually eat 5000 minimum to bulk anyway.

200mcg b6 a day for appetite.

i am 240. 9%bf 6'5.

looking ot gain and keep 20-25lbs

500g protein, 800gcarbs, 160g fat(mostly good)= 6650 cals

Thanks for the info i shal recieve.

Your contradicting yourself. Your not a "big advocate of the test only first cycle" as you've included Tren in your FIRST cycle.

Heard this a thousand times. Rubbish.

Train naturally for a few more years if your still gaining without AS. You have amazing genetics, so take advantage of them. Using AS as your mates are, isnt taking advantage of your potential IMHO. Infact....It isnt at all.

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

Yeah, i get these spurts sometimes where it is now or never. then after i calm down I think, well 20 morei n natty muscle, wil be better. My goal is 20lbs natural muscle by next summer.

I thank all of you. I am sure this isnt the last thing i will post.

I mean it is easy for me. I can get them free, anytime, anyones. Good friends. Maybe this is a reason i am so rwadily set to ambark upon this mission.

thank you all again for turning me away. i will gove it a while.

[Mesomorphyl]

want 1 cycle.

One??? LMFAO!

Once you cross over to the dark side there is no coming back, Mwha-ah-ah-ah-ah

[Swifto]

Yeah, i get these spurts sometimes where it is now or never. then after i calm down I think, well 20 morei n natty muscle, wil be better. My goal is 20lbs natural muscle by next summer.

I thank all of you. I am sure this isnt the last thing i will post.

I mean it is easy for me. I can get them free, anytime, anyones. Good friends. Maybe this is a reason i am so rwadily set to ambark upon this mission.

thank you all again for turning me away. i will gove it a while.

You've made the right choice iMHO.

Meso is also right. Once joined...Thats it.

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

I know the risks and what not. I guess I am just trying to jump the gun in a sense.

I am thinking of taking 17-hd again. i liked it. that mixed with viraloid for 12 weeks when i bulk.

I got 5 bottles of superdrol, but I might sell em to a buddy.

[cfiler]

Yeah, i get these spurts sometimes where it is now or never. then after i calm down I think, well 20 morei n natty muscle, wil be better. My goal is 20lbs natural muscle by next summer.

I thank all of you. I am sure this isnt the last thing i will post.

I mean it is easy for me. I can get them free, anytime, anyones. Good friends. Maybe this is a reason i am so rwadily set to ambark upon this mission.

thank you all again for turning me away. i will gove it a while.

Good, glad to hear that you have come to your sences. No need to get ahead of yourself. At your age, you have plenty of time to grow naturally, and with aas later.

[lucabratzi]

Yeah, i get these spurts sometimes where it is now or never. then after i calm down I think, well 20 morei n natty muscle, wil be better. My goal is 20lbs natural muscle by next summer.

I thank all of you. I am sure this isnt the last thing i will post.

I mean it is easy for me. I can get them free, anytime, anyones. Good friends. Maybe this is a reason i am so rwadily set to ambark upon this mission.

thank you all again for turning me away. i will gove it a while.

if u stick to it and dont cycle u've made the right desicion...if u can gain 12lbs of lean muslce in 4 months then u def. dont need to cycle....12lbs of lean muscle is what u'll walk away with on a good cycle...people think they can juice gain 25lbs and all of it is muslce...alot is water and fat gain and once pct comes u will lose some muslce...dont worry about what everyone else is doin/how they cycle and get big....worry about how big u are and reaching ur goals....

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

I know, I am a Very anxious person for thigns that intrigue me . I mean my 5 lifts are
bench: 315
dead: 545
squat 495(i know I know , not the best)
military press: 255
leg press 955 x 3

these are my bests at this weight. My bench and dead gain steadily, but squats and mpress have slowed, plus they suck, i hate being so damn tall.

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

I mean i have always been strong. First time i benched at like 13 just to see what i coudl do. i did 135 which was all the weights we had. at 13 i was 6'2 and 145 lbs so not much to me at that age.

[lucabratzi]

I know, I am a Very anxious person for thigns that intrigue me . I mean my 5 lifts are
bench: 315
dead: 545
squat 495(i know I know , not the best)
military press: 255
leg press 955 x 3

these are my bests at this weight. My bench and dead gain steadily, but squats and mpress have slowed, plus they suck, i hate being so damn tall.

ur dead is real good...leg press are pretty good...but u need to get that bench up...not flamin but that doesnt match ur other lifts...ur squat is nothing to sneeze at either, pretty dam good if u ask me...

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

I know the bech is low, but shit with a 82 inch arm span it gets a little intense.

I am thinking about 17-hd, and viraloid. Alond with the usuals. this should boost me somewhat.

[Superhuman]

i'm with you on that bench thing bro, I have long arms and last year my max was 405, this year my max is like 415 (only 10lbs stronger). It's hard to get your bench up when you have inches more to go than other people

[Velkar182]

I'll tell you what I tell my brother. Don't do it. Bust your ass now. That's what I did. 10 years of hardcore training under my belt, and you know what? I am 23 now and this is the first year I put anycontrolled substanc into it. Listen...know what it is to earn muscle the hard way, and by the way, I agree with my man that said the test that you produce is the juice of the gods and can't compare to anything you'll inject. Patience is important. I did it by the book and it has worked well for me. And stay away from tren for a while after you do start cycling.

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

I feel all with mong arms on the bench topic. Yeah bro i am waiting. I will use legal shit like creatine and the like.

I have 5 years under my belt. maybe in 2 years or 3
2 for sure till any gear.


changing plans comtemplating my bulk of 350-400g protein, 700-900g carbs, 140-150g fat(mostly good).

do this for 6 months then clean bulk for 4 months, the reg. bulk for 6 months, then clean bulk for 4, then 4 month cut.

@ year transform. this will keep me busy.

goal for whole thing is 30lbs. first year being 20.

[marcus300]

Your way to young at 19yrs old to consider taking AAS.

Please do not consider taking any kind of AAS at this age, train naturally and get a good solid base from diet and a good training program, you have enough hormones in the body to produce excellent muscle growth without adding AAS and a chance of messing your own natural hormone balance up,

It takes years to get a good base and if you do this correct at this age you will have the best advantage to produce rapid gains and will be far easier to maintain when you do decide to use AAS,
Go to the diet forum and check out the stickies at the top of the page and read all about diets/food and then go to the training forum, this is all you need and your age and stage, knowledge is power so research and don't do anything daft like taking anything at your age,

No one should be advising him to use anything, he can and will make excellent gains with his own hormones, AAS are not the answer at this young age diet and training are!!!