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    Questions about first cycle

    Hey guys,

    I'm entertaining the possiblity of doing my first cycle this summer, but it depends on how school, work, and finances go, b/c I'm definatly not going to half step it; anyway I've been trying to bone up on my knowledge but I have some questions do to my specific scenario being a little different than the majority, hopefully I can be pointed in the right direction.

    Just some quick info. on myself. I'm a 26 year old male, ....27 on Sept. 5th. 5'10.5 205lbs. 15-16% BF, (won't start anythiing until I'm at least 12, preferablly 10 if I can do it). I guess you can say I technicially started strength training at the age of 6 with competitive gymnastics,....did that from 6-16, and wrecked up my body up pretty good. I started lifting free weights deligently at about 16.

    My goals with my first cycle would basically be to basically harden up as much as possible. Which a lot of the anabolics that I hear people talking about using to harden up, namely EQ and Winstrol, I'm not sure if they would be the best to use as a first cycle and espeically alone. If I could gain 5-8lbs. of lean muscle and hold onto 7/8 of it, I'd be very happy. Anything over 10lbs. would be too much for me, as of right now, in the future that's going to be a different story.

    I know a lot of people like to use Test to start out with so here's my questions and possible dileamas:

    As I mentioned above, I'm trying to get the hard look as much as possible, and I'm afraid that test will smooth me out too much.

    I've been gentically unblessed to have some natural gyno, not too bad, but its there, so I don't want to make it worse. Therefore with something like Test, could this happen?

    Also, I already have a lot of the "side effects" already present, oily skin that is prone to acne, its not horrible, but the predisposition is there. Receding hairline, and body hair...........again not horrible, but I'd like too keep as much on my head as possible, (not sure if stalking up on the topicals that are out there, finasteride, and minoxidil would totally keep everything at bay, especially with something such as test, or winny).

    So keeping the everything above in mind, I'm curious to know what you guys would reccomend, at what dosage, for how long of a cycle, and how long would it take to fully kick in.

    Also, I was reading an article by Nelson Montana called Steroids for Health, and he was talking about mini cycles, ...3 weeks cycles. Which if what he mentioned is true, I would consider doing some mini cycles. He talked about doing 400mgs of primo a week with 20mgs of Dbol a day or 400mgs of Deca a week, with 20mgs of Winstrol a day...........according to Montana the doses would be cut in half it's your first or second cycle. He also says to do the full 10 tabs of winny (20 mgs) for three weeks. At the beginning of the fourth week, take 8 tabs for 2 days, then 6 tabs for 2 days, 4 tabs for one day, 2 tabs for one day, and only one tablet on the last day.

    I'm curious as to what you guys think about this,......Primo is damn expensive, but on the other hand I hear authentic Deca is hard to come by these days........oh and with the lack of libido that some experience with Deca.......when would this subside........right now for me it would honestly be a good thing, haha, as long as my libido would be back to normal within a reasonalbe time frame. Also as I said before I'm slightly receeding and with the cheaper cycle, that Winny makes my worry about my hairline.


    Also, if you guys think Test is still best, would Prop or E be better for my goals.

    Sorry for being long winded, just want to make sure if I do this I do it correctly, and safely.

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    Nelson Montana is a moron. Ever seen a pic of him?

    Someone here has to still have it. Remember Fonzie from Happy Days?

    Hope folks here can help you out, don't listen to that cheesedick.

    ~SC~

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    Thanks swole,

    That article of Montana's sounded pretty out there from what I've read other places, but I'm definatly a newbie to this so I just wanted to make sure, thanks for putting me straight.

    A lot of the guys that write for that site, at least now anyway, seem to be pretty knowledgeable, I'm guessing he was the exception, which is probably why he didn't write for them for long.

    Hopefully someone on the board has or knows of someone in a situation that sort of resemebles mine, although I don't know, I always some how seem to have these weird variables against me that most don't seem to have,.......o well, we'll see how it goes.

    Oh by the way saw your pics on myspace.........definatly very inspiring and impressive, keep up the good work

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    Your first cycle should be only a single ester test, with a dosage of 250-500mgs weekly. Run that for 10-12 weeks, and follow up with proper PCT.

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    def seem like you have been trying to do your research. that guy you were reading about doesnt seem to be all there, as stated already. if you want to try to get yourself down a few % of bf before you start your cycle, you may want to visit SC's site and maybe see if he can help you get on your way there.. at the same time research what would be best for your goals. test only would prolly be a good start..

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    At the risk of getting flamed and bashed by each and every member of this board , I ran a cycle of Equipoise and Winstrol (w/o test). I had puberty indused gyno (recently had surgery) at the time and feared running a moderate dosage of test, would make it worse. Before I started this cycle I was approx 205lbs. (@ 6'3 and @ roughly 15% bf). The cycle I ran was:

    Week 1-12: Equipoise 600mg/week
    Week 10-13: Winstrol 100mg ED.
    Week 1-13: Proviron @ 50mg ED
    PCT starting week 14: clomid and nolvadex.

    At the end of the cycle, I weighed 218lbs (and at a slightly lower bf%). I was relatively happy with the gains, but am definitely going to include test in my future cycles. As far as side effects, I didn't experience any until I started the winstrol. At the end of my first week of winstrol, my joints seemed really tight (nothing unbearable), and glucosamine helped a little.

    I have included a terrible picture, the only one I had saved (broke my 4th cam phone). I wish I had a before and after to show you, but unfortunately this is the only one. I took this at the beginning of week 10 right b4 i started the winnie. Its not going to be of much use, but ill post it n e way.

    good luck.
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    You wont flamed(this time)...cause at least you know now that its not a good idea to run cycles without test.As far as buddy ...like the guys said try to bring your BF down a bit before starting any AAS.....and if its your first then please make it a one compound...preferably TEST E.

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    thanks for the "get out of a burn pass"..........

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    as far as the test smoothing out your muscles you would benefit from throwing in an anti estrogen like liquidex...and maybe some sort of diuretic

    test prop would be better for hardening up but its usually used in conjuction with other cutting drugs...never talked to someone who's run it alone i'm pretty sure

    soooo as a first cycle i would say go

    Test E 500 mg weeks 1-12
    L-Dex .25 mg every day
    diuretic (sorry i have little to no knowledge on pure diuretics)

    i think you would be impressed with the gains from that

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    if you do deceide to use gear, don't expect to become 'Arnold' after one cycle. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither is the perfect physique. No matter what you go with, you will be happy with the end product as long as your goals/expectations are reasonable..........good luck bro!

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    Thanks for the replies guys. Diretics hmmmm that would be interesting, I'll definatly have to do some research b/c I really am not too familiar them either. Also I was curious if there's anything out there supplement wise that would mimmic a diuretic that anyone knows about. I saw something on cellucor's site..... www.cellucor.com .........I heard the company is decent but I don't know anyone who took this product:
    http://www.cellucor.com/pages/index....t_details&id=4

    I havent' really heard about any other company making anything that resembled anything decent.

    Also, I'm defanatly working on getting the BF% down. This past year with school my nutrition and cardio went to crap. But in two weeks I got down from 17.6-15.9......which isnt' too bad, so I'm hoping in a month to I can get down to about at least 12 or below so I can start look at starting my cycle.

    As far as the Test goes with my receeding hairline, (which is slight, but I don't want to make it worse),....as long as I do things correclty I should be fine, correct?....... nizoral, minoxodil and finasteride, during my cycle and during my PCT,....keep on them longer or do anything different?

    Gr8gear are you happy with the results from your gyno surgery,......I'm looking at doing it probably Sept. of 07. How long did it keep you off of lifting/work etc?

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